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Eyespye
Posted - 2008.07.17 05:10:00 - [1]
 

... well I feel many of you are ... really ... there are some days I do not understand you people.

Before I go on a few facts:

Yes, I post with an alt, I admit I do not wish the aggro people risk to get by posting (it doesn't even matter what they post about, there is always one that finds some excuse to go aggro people)
Yes, I have been in 0.0, in a corp in a big alliance.
Yes, I did try to be a naughty girl.
Yes, I admit in the end I have chosen for the carebear life, I am a carebear.
No, I am not a native english speaker.
No, I am NOT accusing EVERYONE, just those who fit the shoe.
I am a 40+ year old housewife (Till this day I still ROFL at those who ask who you are cause 80% of the people do not believe me when I tell the truth, when I lie and say I am a 17 year old school boy 90% accept this with no hesitation), this maybe the reason why I hardly have a E-peen to maintain.

I have been playing EVE for some time now, and what kinda strikes me from the some "hardcore" PVPers/Pirates I have met and spoken to, and those that are very vocal here in the forums is how hypocrite you guys can be.
Flying around trying different aspects of the game on several chars I have met/spoken to alot of folk. I am also a forum lurker, I read alot here but hardly ever post.
90% of the people I have met and many vocal people here on the forums admit they live my lifestyle in EVE, The Carebear One (missioning, mining, producing, playing the market) to actually fund thier "hardcore" PVP/Pirate life.
They do this and still have the nerv to bash every carebear in any way they can ... THIS ...I find hypocrite.

Those who claim not to carebear for ISK, many of those DO COME visit high sec to restock ships, ammo, mods. Where do they think many of those items come from?

On top of that you seem to have no respect/understanding for any other playstyle then your own.
There you loose my understanding aswell, I mean don't we need people doing the different aspects of this game to keep the whole machinery up and running?

For those who look down on and/or loathe mining/producing. Where do you think your mineral/ships come from ?
If you have one industrialist in your corp to do the "dirty" work for you, do you look down on him/her too?

Even if I am wrong in my thinking and writings above I could look at this from another angle:

I have read some awesome scifi stories about cultures in the far and not so far future that actually take care of and help cultivate thier prey so they indeed have the prey in sufficient amouts to thrive off them.
For example, one race in space made sure the inhabitants on a certain planet could prosper by supplying means (seeds, machinery), so there was enough food for these people to live and "breed". Meanwhile they "removed" people from this planet to be used as food. In other stories they were used as slaves, organ replacement sources, future bodies etc etc

The point here is why would you flame/scare away your victems?

So many times I read in the forums GTFO/go play WOW/this is not a game for you and other simular remarks.
Why o why would you do this?
You have your EVE slaughterhouse, can a pen full of carebears, and then you go tell them to go move to the WOW/other game pen.
I don't understand, why on earth would you wish your prey away?
Don't you like the juicy AFK hauler to suicide, that miner to suicide, that pimped out CNR to scan out and destroy, the naive one that flies in that nicely fitted ship checking out low sec, all those mission runners so you can go ninja salvaging?

Well I could go on like this but I feel I already kinda made my point, and had to get it off my chest for once.

Flame away ...


Eyespye
Posted - 2008.07.17 05:11:00 - [2]
 

Let me end with this, I DO respect most playstyles here in game, it adds some spice knowing one can "die" (loose a ship) at any given moment, it nice to adjust and prepair for what you are doing and getting away with it (or not, that's the challenge).

I like and respect you for giving ingame spice, and hope you can learn to respect me for doing my part ingame and/or being your prey.

Also I am told that no matter what I do, mine/produce/misison/playing the market, it is all PVP.
So I am actually one of you guys. (just kidding bout that .... well kinda:))

Fly Safe

Chigy
Minmatar
Shiznit Galaxy
Posted - 2008.07.17 05:20:00 - [3]
 

Go play WOW

DubanFP
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.07.17 05:21:00 - [4]
 

A few things.
1) Most pirates dont' disrespect carebears for being carebears. Granted we don't understand why anyone would want to play EVE in such a boring way but w/e. What gets people flamed is the ones who disrespect PVPers and the right to kill anything that moves. These people disrespect us, and get what they deserve in return.

2) You don't think 0.0 runs itself do you? Industry alts, even industry mains that aren't afraid to fight for their land. We could live without you. you could not live without us buying your goods.

3) How can you expect us to stand up for your position when even you refuse to stand up for your position. Alts? Please, it's just a way of saying stuff without actually backing up what you say. YOU are the hypocrite.

Scurvy Rickett
Posted - 2008.07.17 05:26:00 - [5]
 

Do you feel better? I hope so because I do, c&p was getting boring lately. Thanks for posting a decent read that will attract plenty of attention.




Alan Maher
You're Doing It Wrong
Posted - 2008.07.17 05:27:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: DubanFP
A few things.
1) Most pirates dont' disrespect carebears for being carebears. Granted we don't understand why anyone would want to play EVE in such a boring way but w/e. What gets people flamed is the ones who disrespect PVPers and the right to kill anything that moves. These people disrespect us, and get what they deserve in return.

2) You don't think 0.0 runs itself do you? Industry alts, even industry mains that aren't afraid to fight for their land. We could live without you. you could not live without us buying your goods.

3) How can you expect us to stand up for your position when even you refuse to stand up for your position. Alts? Please, it's just a way of saying stuff without actually backing up what you say. YOU are the hypocrite.


05:21:00 - Posted - Your Tech 2 Post perfectly strikes Alt wrecking for 10653.5 damage.

Eyespye
Posted - 2008.07.17 05:37:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: DubanFP
A few things.
1) Most pirates dont' disrespect carebears for being carebears. Granted we don't understand why anyone would want to play EVE in such a boring way but w/e. What gets people flamed is the ones who disrespect PVPers and the right to kill anything that moves. These people disrespect us, and get what they deserve in return.

2) You don't think 0.0 runs itself do you? Industry alts, even industry mains that aren't afraid to fight for their land. We could live without you. you could not live without us buying your goods.

3) How can you expect us to stand up for your position when even you refuse to stand up for your position. Alts? Please, it's just a way of saying stuff without actually backing up what you say. YOU are the hypocrite.


2. Don't get me wrong here, I am not bashing 0.0 life in any way, been there done that. I was just trying to make a point that all kinds of playstyles are needed to keep the game interesting.

3. I realize it is a chicken way to post with an alt, but I do not feel it makes my feelings less valid. You may consider the reason why I did so, cause tbh, some reactions I sometimes read DID SCARE me.

DubanFP
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.07.17 05:38:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: DubanFP on 17/07/2008 05:43:09
Originally by: Eyespye
3. I realize it is a chicken way to post with an alt, but I do not feel it makes my feelings less valid. You may consider the reason why I did so, cause tbh, some reactions I sometimes read DID SCARE me.


No but it does prove even you, the op, are unwilling to back up your own post. Do not post if you are afraid of the consequences. Because if you are afraid of the consequences chances are there's a very good reason to be.

Also by definition "carebear" means unwilling to consensually use ships in PVP. Without PVP there would be almost no demand for the ships they build. Nowhere in the PVP handbook does it say a PVPer can not back up his actions with industry. 2) is simply pointing out that PVPers can live without carebears, but carebears can't live without PVPers. Your logic is flawed, badly at that.

Kirex
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.07.17 05:54:00 - [9]
 

We don't hate carebears because they mine or manufacture, we hate carebears because they constantly ***** about EVERYTHING and want the game changed constantly to suit their play style better at the expense of pvpers. They're driving this game to be more and more towards consensual pvp only, and it's ****ing us off.

If the carebears want a new ship class in between Transport and freighter, sure whatever, doesn't bother me. If the carebears want a way to stop "griefer" corps from deccing them, or autopilot warp to zero, or 100% ship and module insurance, or perma ban scammers, or any other way to fluff up this game, it directly effects us and that is why we hate the TRUE carebears.

Eyespye
Posted - 2008.07.17 06:14:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: DubanFP
Edited by: DubanFP on 17/07/2008 05:43:09
Originally by: Eyespye
3. I realize it is a chicken way to post with an alt, but I do not feel it makes my feelings less valid. You may consider the reason why I did so, cause tbh, some reactions I sometimes read DID SCARE me.


No but it does prove even you, the op, are unwilling to back up your own post. Do not post if you are afraid of the consequences. Because if you are afraid of the consequences chances are there's a very good reason to be.

Also by definition "carebear" means unwilling to consensually use ships in PVP. Without PVP there would be almost no demand for the ships they build. Nowhere in the PVP handbook does it say a PVPer can not back up his actions with industry. 2) is simply pointing out that PVPers can live without carebears, but carebears can't live without PVPers. Your logic is flawed, badly at that.


Tbh for me it is all in the eye of the beholder.

I have seen too many and sometimes contradicting defenitions of the terms "Carebear" & "PVP"
I am not even going to start the dicussion about what is or what is not carebear and PVP, cause with 1000 people answering this we can end up with 500 different ideas of what they should be.
For all I care you could call me a "Highsec Dweller"

I wanted to get something of my chest and I did so, if doing so on an alt makes my text worthless to you I suggest you just consider this post as no existant and move on with your life. No need for you to think about the content and reply to it because my text is meaningless to you. No offence.

I think in the end the point I am trying to make is most playstyles ingame are needed and is that what makes the game interesting. No need to bash eachother for playing different.
Writing my text was for me to get it off my chest and maybe others can think about it and give thier opinions, what is also good for me, cause it might be someone replies with text that makes my myself look at thing in a broader perspective.

And as CCP states and I myself have experienced, almost EVERY aspect in EVE is considered PVP.
I can tell you that a bad market move could and already has cost me more then many ships I could buy/loose.

I use a ship to mine, I "PVP" for rocks and mineral prices.
I use a ship to misison, I "PVP" the market in selling my loot.
I use a ship to ninja salvage, I "PVP" the salvage market, and annoyed mission runners.
I use a ship to transport my goods to trade spots.

So in the end as I understand your greatest thing against me is the fact I posted with an Alt. To a point I can undertstand this. (still feel it doesn't make my textr worthless)
I already admitted I am scared, more I cannot/wish not do about it.
Some will accept this fact, for those who don't they should indeed consider this post as not written and move on to the next one.

o7




Eyespye
Posted - 2008.07.17 06:25:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Kirex
We don't hate carebears because they mine or manufacture, we hate carebears because they constantly ***** about EVERYTHING and want the game changed constantly to suit their play style better at the expense of pvpers. They're driving this game to be more and more towards consensual pvp only, and it's ****ing us off.

If the carebears want a new ship class in between Transport and freighter, sure whatever, doesn't bother me. If the carebears want a way to stop "griefer" corps from deccing them, or autopilot warp to zero, or 100% ship and module insurance, or perma ban scammers, or any other way to fluff up this game, it directly effects us and that is why we hate the TRUE carebears.


I can only speak for myself.
But I pay to play and entertain MYSELF. I figured out what gives me joy in game and am doing it.
Through times things change ingame for better and for worse. I adjust and continue doing my thing.
If I get bored with one thing I go explore and see what else there is to give me pleasure.
At the point where I cannot adjust anymore or loose the satisfaction I am seeking from this game I move on to another.
I think there are many more that play like me, and are they also not so vocal here on the forums, so I can only imagine.

I don't know if it is me, but I feel it is a certain group of people that are very vocal and set the tones in the forums.
But I understand it may be a few that "spoils" it for the rest.

Khandara Seraphim
Amarr
StarHunt
Fallout Project
Posted - 2008.07.17 06:46:00 - [12]
 

Its not the existence of carebears, its their whines.

Picking the carebear life in Eve is a completely acceptable lifestyle, but the majority of posters that are flamed in the threads you describe are being flamed because they don't understand that the bullseye painted on the back of your hulk is part of the job description.

Carebears do not fuel eve. COMBAT is the real lifeforce of the game. If ships aren't constantly being destroyed in vicious unfair onesided fights, then new ones wont need to be built and the game dies. It's a symbiotic relationship and the carebears that truly understand this are not the ones that post whiny threads in here, and nobody tells those carebears to GTFO and go back to WOW.

RuleoftheBone
Minmatar
Black Viper Nomads
Posted - 2008.07.17 07:24:00 - [13]
 

OP-have a free gift:

http://www.stephenrdonaldson.com/background/publications/gap0.php

Angus Thermopyle says you need to stop reading cuddly sci-fi and get down and dirty with the bad boys of the genre Laughing.




Krows
Caldari
Resource Reallocators Incorporated
Posted - 2008.07.17 07:33:00 - [14]
 

tl;dr
Post with your main.
GTFO.
Gb2Gaia.
Go play WoW.

Back up your post by using your main. *PRO-TIP* I use mine.

Keeves
Minmatar
Quality Control.
Posted - 2008.07.17 07:36:00 - [15]
 

I'll tell you right now, PVP'rs (pirates especially) have been forced to adapt to the whines of the "carebearing" community for years and you'll hear 90% less *****ing from us about this then ****ty lazyass things that most players complain about. Gate guns, warp core stabs, cloaks, cyno's, warp to 0... These are just a few small examples of changes in gameplay which the pirate community has had to deal with and adapt to.

There is an influx of suicide gankers and ninja salvagers lately? Hmm... How about instead of *****ing about it to CCP to the point where every third post in the general discussion forum is a emoragequit thread the community pulls up their bigboy (girl?) pants and ask "hey! i got suicide ganked... how can i not have that happen again?" and I promise you the same people that are posting on C&P will give you dozens of little tips and tricks to avoid it just because you asked. Putting effort into your gameplay is the difference in the end.

As for the "go to WOW" and "can i have your stuff" comments you hear, thats the difference in mindset between EVE and other MMO's I believe. I personally would rather have EVE to be a place where people used their skulls to figure out problems instead of *****ing about it with an alt in a longwinded whine thread. So when someone posts something like this, I'd rather not have them here to be honest. I believe the community is better without the degenerate idiot players who cant look farther then the best way to pad their wallet and throw a tantrum when someone benefits off their lazyness. If my amount of idiot targets is obliterated with a more select player base of smarter targets; perfect!

So in conclusion to your finger pointing bull**** thread, how about looking objectively at the community at large and understand that there is no moral highground a player can stand on so really your post is nothing more then a cryfest. The WoW exit is that way Arrow For the benefit of our community at large, I hope you take it.

Eyespye
Posted - 2008.07.17 07:52:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Eyespye on 17/07/2008 08:05:36
Originally by: Keeves
I don't agree with you, I don't like you posting on an alt, and go away.


I wasn't aware I was whining/crying, merely trying to understand one aspect of the game.
If you read the entire thread you will have noticed I play and enjoy the game and I adjust to the changes just like you have to.
I had my share of encounters and one learns to adapt and try to do better next time, I never came here to post how I lost some ship to some silly reason.
I DO lurk the forums to that extent I do not even have to post to ask for advice, cause mostly it is already done by others and I pick up the advice that is already given.
If I didn't want ANY risk AT ALL, I would not be playing EVE.

As to the Alt thing I can only quote myself:

Quote:
So in the end as I understand your greatest thing against me is the fact I posted with an Alt. To a point I can undertstand this. (still feel it doesn't make my textr worthless)
I already admitted I am scared, more I cannot/wish not do about it.
Some will accept this fact, for those who don't they should indeed consider this post as not written and move on to the next one.


As for this guy:

Quote:
3) How can you expect us to stand up for your position when even you refuse to stand up for your position. Alts? Please, it's just a way of saying stuff without actually backing up what you say. YOU are the hypocrite.

No but it does prove even you, the op, are unwilling to back up your own post. Do not post if you are afraid of the consequences. Because if you are afraid of the consequences chances are there's a very good reason to be.


Pointing out to me in his words how he thinks of altposting I can totally respect and understand.
And he made me think to dare to post on my main if I ever feel the need to do so again.
That works for me.

Or these guys:

Quote:
We don't hate carebears because they mine or manufacture, we hate carebears because they constantly ***** about EVERYTHING and want the game changed constantly to suit their play style better at the expense of pvpers.

----

Its not the existence of carebears, its their whines.

Picking the carebear life in Eve is a completely acceptable lifestyle, but the majority of posters that are flamed in the threads you describe are being flamed because they don't understand that the bullseye painted on the back of your hulk is part of the job description.

Carebears do not fuel eve. COMBAT is the real lifeforce of the game. If ships aren't constantly being destroyed in vicious unfair onesided fights, then new ones wont need to be built and the game dies. It's a symbiotic relationship and the carebears that truly understand this are not the ones that post whiny threads in here, and nobody tells those carebears to GTFO and go back to WOW.


That I can digest and start to understand where some are comming from.
That works for me.

But how you react to something you don't like/agree with and trying to put wordsin my mouth I never said, ending with go away ... that's the point where I loose my understanding.
THAT doesn't work for me.

o7



Elizabeth vonStrauss
Posted - 2008.07.17 07:56:00 - [17]
 

CK, back to the cooker..

Laari Neros
Posted - 2008.07.17 08:53:00 - [18]
 

i agree with the op. Many times pirates break equilibrium between hunters and hunted and than that part of space dies off.

Anyway, to op: could you please list that stories/books and maybe even links to them?
ty

Farrqua
Minmatar
In Igne Morim
Posted - 2008.07.17 09:08:00 - [19]
 

The reason, this game is not for everyone. What sets off players is that some new players seem to feel they are entitled or have the right to do this or that, or not have to do this or that, because that's how they see or feel the game should be.

It does not meet their play styles so they want the game to be altered to suit them. Whether it be PvP or carebear. They have no history, they have no clue about what the game is about, and if it does not fit their moral center, then everyone is a greifer or whatever.

Just sit in an NPC corp Chanel for 30 minutes or so. You will see these guys and they are spewing all kinds of crap. And it misleads or screws up the perception of these new players. I believe that EvE loses more players from ignorant barracks lawyers in NPC corps than actually getting ganked or scammed.

So they come out of the NPC corp already ****ed off and an attitude because of some NPC station hugging loser. Then the player gets flamed because he is wrong due to the fact he listend to the ****head spinng his ship in the hanger to afraid to undock.

So you might want to look further. And from what I have read, you do not have that much time in game. It shows a lot of noob NPCish impressions and views. And you might be taking it to personal. If you don't have issues with maintaining your e-peen, then this should not bother you much.



Now get off my lawn or I will whack you with my cane.

Riho
Gallente
Drop of Blood
Posted - 2008.07.17 10:01:00 - [20]
 

i dont hate producers, miners (honest ones.. not macros), mission runners (ok.. most of them i hate :P), traders and so on.

they are not CAREBEARS... carebear is a person who find himself in a situation that they dont like and instead of adapting they go whine and say the game needs to change the way they want it to be.

most of my time in eve is shooting people. but lately i have focused on more invention/production and yes.. even mining. trying new stuff in eve. pvp can get boring if you do it for 2 years straight.. kinda like missions (i get a sick feeling every time i think of lvl 4 missions..../me pukes)

so to recap... carebears are those bloody tards who whine on the forums because they got ganked in a t1 hauler and lost 3 billion isk.... its not fair that thay are not 100% safe in high sec... plaplaplapla

Yiv
Posted - 2008.07.17 10:09:00 - [21]
 




IMHO Eve tries to be a microcosm of RL.

ALL aspects of game play have to be equally valid or Eve wouldn't work. This is just my opinion.

Be it carebear, PvPer, pirate, ore thief, scammer, alt scout, merc and dare I say it macro miner, they all bring a facet to Eve that adds to the game play and experience.

Getting back to the point, the OP suggests that:

Originally by: Eyespye
...

Those who claim not to care bear for ISK, many of those DO COME visit high sec to restock ships, ammo, mods. Where do they think many of those items come from?

On top of that you seem to have no respect/understanding for any other play style then your own.




If ships and mods were not destroyed in PvP then surely "care bears" would be out of business?

If Eve contained no risk and no loss then we could all go out and buy the best ship and mods that we could afford. The server would replace your ship in dock and we'd all be happy.

We could all pew pew to our hearts content and never have to buy a replacement ship or mod from a "care bear" or even bother with an industrial alt. The cycle would be broken.

Would care bears exist in this scenario?

We could all just buy a load of GTC's to buy a pimped ship and head off in to the sunset guns blazing?






Ace Frehley
Minmatar
Mercenaries of Andosia
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2008.07.17 10:18:00 - [22]
 

Vl ff text! Aj kannt si in maj ajs!!!!

Faekurias
Muppet Ninja's
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
Posted - 2008.07.17 10:30:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Ace Frehley
Vl ff text! Aj kannt si in maj ajs!!!!


Ohlawd xD

Also:
Much of the hypocritical could be pure trolling.
Trolling is very frequent. Wink

Eyespye
Posted - 2008.07.17 10:33:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Laari Neros
i agree with the op. Many times pirates break equilibrium between hunters and hunted and than that part of space dies off.

Anyway, to op: could you please list that stories/books and maybe even links to them?
ty



I have been collecting and reading scifi for like 20 years now, I have tons of those short story compilations too. Tbh atm I cannot recall a name of a particular book on this topic.
I can point you to some that have made into movies like the classic "The Time Machine", or "Freejack" and "The Island".

Maybe you can look those up.

Eyespye
Posted - 2008.07.17 10:43:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Yiv



IMHO Eve tries to be a microcosm of RL.

ALL aspects of game play have to be equally valid or Eve wouldn't work. This is just my opinion.

Be it carebear, PvPer, pirate, ore thief, scammer, alt scout, merc and dare I say it macro miner, they all bring a facet to Eve that adds to the game play and experience.

Getting back to the point, the OP suggests that:

Originally by: Eyespye
...

Those who claim not to care bear for ISK, many of those DO COME visit high sec to restock ships, ammo, mods. Where do they think many of those items come from?

On top of that you seem to have no respect/understanding for any other play style then your own.




If ships and mods were not destroyed in PvP then surely "care bears" would be out of business?

If Eve contained no risk and no loss then we could all go out and buy the best ship and mods that we could afford. The server would replace your ship in dock and we'd all be happy.

We could all pew pew to our hearts content and never have to buy a replacement ship or mod from a "care bear" or even bother with an industrial alt. The cycle would be broken.

Would care bears exist in this scenario?

We could all just buy a load of GTC's to buy a pimped ship and head off in to the sunset guns blazing?




To clarify in case you thought I meant that people shouldn't get thier ships blown up and restock in highsec, by all means I don't care.
What confuses me is the fact that on one hand people dare to say stuff that sounds like "You are a carebear, you do not play the game as I think you should, go away" and then come to highsec to make use of some the services these same carebears offer.
It just feels as a contradiction to me.


But reading some of the replies upto now, my understanding now is that people not so resent "the carebear" as a normal player, but DO resent them as "whiners".
Correct me if I am mistaken.

I wish to add that the term Carebear can and is interperted in many different ways.
Now I am not sure if I am or am not a Carebear, atm I do think the term "Highsec Dweller" fits me better.

o7

Vargrh
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2008.07.17 10:48:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: Vargrh on 17/07/2008 14:09:45
Originally by: Eyespye
So many times I read in the forums GTFO/go play WOW/this is not a game for you and other simular remarks.
[/quote



These comments tend not to be aimed at people who engage in 'carebear' activities ingame per se, but towards those that engage in these activities AND then whinge when they are attacked.

If you do not want to loose items when killed etc and actually get upset in real life and scream abuse in local and/or post threads about how harsh eve is and how awful being killed is then these comments are totally valid. Go play a game like WOW where you are coddled and protected from loss.

Most PVP/Pirate orientated players do not have issue with those pursuing non combat ingame careers, eve is afterall a game of variety, but it's the incessant whining and complaining that sucks, particularly when it comes from uber rich empire based cochroches who object to the odd loss.

Eyespye
Posted - 2008.07.17 10:59:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Vargrh
Edited by: Vargrh on 17/07/2008 10:50:11
Originally by: Eyespye
So many times I read in the forums GTFO/go play WOW/this is not a game for you and other simular remarks.
[/quote



These comments tend not to be aimed at people who engage in 'carebear' activities ingame per se, but those that engage in these activities AND then whinge when they are attacked.

If you do not want to loose items when killed etc and actually get upset in real life and scream abuse in local and or post threads about how harsh eve is and how awful being killed is the these comments are totally valid. Go play a game like WOW where you are coddled and protected from loss.

Most PVP/Pirate orientated players do not have issue with those pursuing non combat ingame careers, eve is afterall a game of variety, but its the incessant whining and complaining that sucks, particularly when it comes from uber rich empire based cochroches who object to the odd loss.


Yes I think I got it now ... I really hope this is the case for the majority of those who think I addressed them ... if so all is much clearer to me and I DO now understand where people are comming from.
Just too bad some people assume you one of those "Carebear Whiners" even before the even spoke to you or know you. But I can live with that.

I wish thank all that took the time to give me a decent answer to help me understand this aspect of the game sofar.

We learn new things everyday ...
Today I learned best not to post with an alt and more understanding for those who managed to confuse me.

Fly Safe All


Mozohl
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2008.07.17 11:10:00 - [28]
 

Alright, you won, it's me, I am the OP, I am the 40+ housewife.

If you wish to befriend me, simply send me some iskies, as a proof that you do not look down on my way of playing eve.

scutternut
Amarr
Posted - 2008.07.17 11:15:00 - [29]
 

e-peen blargh

Gamov
Sarz'na Khumatari
Posted - 2008.07.17 11:24:00 - [30]
 

you care too much


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