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bl3ach
Minmatar
Masuat'aa Matari
Posted - 2004.05.20 15:47:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: bl3ach on 20/05/2004 16:57:24
Greetings supporters of the free Minmatar Republics, both new and old!

I hereby declare the intentions of the People's Republic of Minmatar and Oracle Corp to coordinate the collection of the Jovian artefacts for returning via the Minmatar Republic to the Jovian Empire.

We do this for the sake of all Minmatar everywhere, and we are purely here to administer this transaction.

We would like all supporters of Minmatar to entrust their artefacts to the beneficiaries listed below. Your names/corps will be recorded and the reward from the Minmatar Republic disseminated accordingly to those entrustees based on the amount put in. (ie: say a corporation entrusts 100 particular items to us and a block of 1000 is sold, that corp will receive 10% of that sale.)

Please let me make two things very clear here.

1. Oracle and The People's Republic of Minmatar are doing this purely for the sake of Minmatar, all donators will be rewarded according to the amount they put in after the sales are made. Oracle and The People's Republic of Minmatar take no administration fee what so ever.

2. Both Oracle and The People's Republic of Minmatar will cross verify all artefacts entrusted to us. Our organisations have joint and equal control over this administration and your trust in us will not be misplaced.

Trustees:
Adrielle Firewalker - Amarr Will Eat Itelf
Bad Harlequin - Oracle
bl3ach - The People's Front of Minmatar
Hamish - The Tribal Trust of Pator
Horatio Starkiller - Oracle
Ph0enix - Oracle
Randuin Maral - Paratwa Ra

Please feel free to speak to these people at your convenience to organise transportation of the Jovian Artefacts.

Our thanks in anticipation.

The People's Republic of Minmatar and Oracle Corp.
For Matar!

Hardin
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2004.05.20 16:30:00 - [2]
 


Lead and they will follow Wink

Good luck with your collection Minmatars!

Berak FalCheran
Minmatar
Allied Conglomerated Holdings Group
Posted - 2004.05.21 00:34:00 - [3]
 

I am glad to hear this brother. I will do my best to contribute.

Randuin MaraL
Minmatar
Encina Technologies
Namtz'aar k'in
Posted - 2004.05.21 07:30:00 - [4]
 

The Paratwa Ra will donate the artefacts gathered by its members and friends.

Ph0enix
Minmatar
DEATH'S LEGION
Posted - 2004.05.22 00:11:00 - [5]
 

I will gladly donate my Jovian remains to this noble joint effort. The Minmatar people still owe much to the Jove, and returning as much of the poor soul to his people as possible is the least we can do to repay their contribution to our freedom.

Kalon Latel
Posted - 2004.05.22 01:36:00 - [6]
 

Then as an Ammatar, and my place to administer some fair doubt to all those reading this transmission. I put forth a question:

If the Jovian's give Orecle corporation (Or PRM the nation in general) a special gift for donating so many parts, how will the benefactors be rewarded for that?

I would ask the same question of the PIE delegation, however their system is solely for the Amarr and all donations are contributions to the Amarr cause, the donators recieve nothing but the satisfaction of a job well done. I'm also sure they would freely admit that any such gift that is bestowed upon their corporation will be for the sole use of PIE Corporation. Therefore they're being upfront with us all here.

My main qualm with the PRM delegation is that they're claiming to give everyone an "Equal share." so I am curious to see how they would implement this should they be rewarded for others donating their findings to this organization. If the answer is that they won't, then simply revise your offer to include that and be upfront with everyone.

Tih Ahh
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2004.05.22 02:05:00 - [7]
 

We don't know what the gift is yet. I got the hint that the gift would benefit all members of the winning race. It may be an attribute bonus or a module that everyone of that race finds in their hangar, just like the beginning of the event. We should applaud the organised efforts to gather the pieces and not be so suspicious about those who are doing it. Some group *has* to do it or else it won't get done.

Kalon Latel
Posted - 2004.05.22 02:29:00 - [8]
 

Okay, I shall restate the bottom part of my message since it's going to get ignored the first time:

I am glad that someone's willing to step up to the plate and get these parts collected. However the donor's need to be aware that quite potentially there will not be a reward for themselves and thus should only donate parts out of a greater will for their empire. The PRM champeign here would seem to state that the PRM will give everyone who supports their cause a slice of the pie. Therefore I simply am asking them if they recieved a unique prize from the Jovians for gathering the parts, how they would equally reward their contributors. (IE: Let's assume in this case that the reward the jovians give is a re-engineered Tempest with supirior fighting capabilities, and it was given to the PRM delegation.) Also even if the division of any such reward is extended in that definition or if the money involved is all that will be distributed?

Personally I'm keeping my pieces as there is no Ammatar inititive.

Scaramouche
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2004.05.22 08:56:00 - [9]
 

Kalon,

There is also the chance that people may want to donate their fragments for the sheer benefit of their race (RP).
Why must there be the thought that, for every action there is a equal ammount of individual isk or gain to be had?

There are no promises, that i am aware of, that every person who donates will get his or her little piece of the gift from the Joves but, they will benefit.
The PRM are in the process of setting up a safe haven for Minmatar people, this is being done not for the benefit of individual members of the corps involved, but for ALL Minmatar.
The PRM's aims are true!

Darius Shakor
Minmatar
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Posted - 2004.05.22 09:03:00 - [10]
 

Kalon, Personally, I do not care for a reward, though I would not refuse one. I donated my bone splinter to a member of oracle for this and my only goal is to see that I contribute to the minmatar cause. However, I am sure that the 'equal share' they speak of is something to do with the empire buying back the body parts on the market and the share is the money that PFM/Oracle will get from the transaction, not the potential Jove reward.

As for the jove reward, since we do not know what it is, or what the empires are buying the parts for, then they cannot exactly set a price can they?Wink

Maya Rkell
Third Grade Ergonomics
Posted - 2004.05.22 14:24:00 - [11]
 

I would gladly donate my parts to the Minmatar cause.

But not to the PRM. I cannot support, however well meaning, those who have broken with the legitmate goverment of my people.

Are there are loyalist corperations who are collecting parts?

Eemar Tesken
Posted - 2004.05.23 01:35:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Eemar Tesken on 23/05/2004 02:54:25
Originally by: Maya Rkell
Are there are loyalist corperations who are collecting parts?

You may wish to contact Gradient's Public Relations secretary, Elsebeth Rhiannon, to inquire about this issue.

Gradient is a loyalist organization, and in light of the recent SCC change in the number of units of tissue samples necessary for a transaction, Gradient is rethinking its strategy regarding the Jovian issue.

Provided there were enough support from other Republic loyalists, I'm confident Gradient would mount an aggressive effort to help the Jovian contingent reclaim the remains of its unfortunate envoy.

Addendum:

After conferring with my CEO, he informs me that in the event our effort was somehow rewarded by the Jovians, it would be shared equally among those loyal to the Republic and dedicated to its unity, however possible. In the event of a unique piece of equipment, it would be sold to the highest bidder and the proceeds split among all Republic loyalists. In the event of an original schematic, any research or production based on that schematic would be publicly disclosed and any proceeds, copies, etc. from that schematic would be shared equally among those contributing to the cause.

My apologies to the PRM contingent for using this space to announce the above; it seemed preferable to starting another thread with such a similar topic. In any event it is unlikely that any endeavor by staunch loyalist organizations would eclipse the efforts of the seperatists, as the loyalist cause is not the most popular at the moment.

Regardless, our thoughts and condolences to the Jovians on the loss of their envoy.

bl3ach
Minmatar
Masuat'aa Matari
Posted - 2004.05.23 03:28:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: bl3ach on 23/05/2004 03:31:31
Edited by: bl3ach on 23/05/2004 03:29:39
There seems to be some confusion as to the motivation for the People's Republic's actions in this matter. I would like to clear up this confusion here.

We are not collecting for the People's Republic, we do not believe it viable, nor responsible to collect for ourselves. That would split the Minmatar's collection as a whole and neither side would benefit.

What we are doing is to collect all the artifacts we can and record the details of those who entrust us with these artifacts. We will then divide up any reward from the Minmatar Republic between all those trustees as appropriate. We are putting our time and resources to work for the good of all Minmatar and that must be through the old Republic.

Regardless of the PRM's differences on policy with Midular, I sincerely hope that all Matari can work together in this and combine our efforts to ensure that we, the children of the light of Matar, can in someway repay our debt to the Jovian Empire.


Dagoth IronJaw
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2004.05.23 16:45:00 - [14]
 

Contact me, I will donate my artefacts

Ashka Neris
Neohazard Freelance Peace keeping Agency
Posted - 2004.05.23 16:51:00 - [15]
 

I personally dont agree with this trade, and wil be donating mine directly back to the local Jovians in accesable space. If they choose to take it, it is up to them.

I will not participate in what I see as a ransoming of another should that the Jovians still see as... alive.

Hamish
Minmatar
Tribal Trust of Pator
Dystopia Alliance
Posted - 2004.05.23 22:44:00 - [16]
 

Thank you Dagoth, Smile if you have not already been contacted I will get in touch.

Originally by: Ashka Neris

I will not participate in what I see as a ransoming of another should that the Jovians still see as... alive.


???

Anyways whatever that sentence means... We're doing this to help the Jovian, if the Minmatar Republic should gain something from their gratitude so much the better... Potential profit is merely a side-effect of helping our friends.
Your actions seem selfish (or at least uninformed) to me as there is no way (as far as I can tell) you can even find a Jovian to give your bits to.
PRM briefly considered donating directly to the Jovians but upon discovering that it's not feasible we have taken this route for the good of all Minmatar and of the Jovians...

AsheRaven
Minmatar
Blood Raiders Initiate
BLOOD EMPIRE
Posted - 2004.05.23 22:58:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: AsheRaven on 23/05/2004 23:03:17
Originally by: Hamish
Your actions seem selfish (or at least uninformed) to me as there is no way (as far as I can tell) you can even find a Jovian to give your bits to.



We will try. We have already informed the Jovians of our intent and how we plan to get what is theirs to them. Dangerous as it may be, it is indeed acheivable. Ashka has her opions about this, trade. As do I. If she chooses to judges that is her perogative. I myself shall keep my opinions to myself and do my bit for the Jovians as I promised. On that note, I fail to see how a noble act for no profit or reward can be deemed as selfish, even if it is a little misguided Confused

Hamish
Minmatar
Tribal Trust of Pator
Dystopia Alliance
Posted - 2004.05.24 02:08:00 - [18]
 

Selfish is too strong a word. I think you see what I meant however, I'm not much of a diplomat and speak my mind too often for my own good, feel free to imagine my post being more polite and less aggressive.

Bad Harlequin
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2004.05.24 16:58:00 - [19]
 

It seems a perfectly good idea that Loyalists donate via Gradient, and more clear-thinking Minmatar to Oracle/PRM Wink ahem.

Seriously, the main point is that either way the cause of the Minmatar people as a whole is advanced. If that means one side of the PRM/Loyalist issue is left out of any direct reward or personal gain for standing by their beliefs, so be it; i'm willing to accept that. The big picture is the important part here, not the least of which is getting poor Misu home.

Darius Shakor
Minmatar
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Posted - 2004.05.24 18:12:00 - [20]
 

I see that the love is still there between Oracle and Gradient. However, an important note here. I do not think that individually, each collection will net over 1000 pieces and it might be required for both to get together and present the pieces jointly. If this is the case then this little tit for tat isn't going to help our people.Wink

Elsebeth Rhiannon
Minmatar
Gradient
Electus Matari
Posted - 2004.05.24 20:23:00 - [21]
 

Since there has been such a great demand for a Republic loyalist collection of the Jovian parts, and Gradient has been more than once mentioned as a potential collector, what can we do but take up the job? We perfectly understand the hesitation of good citizens when it comes to co-operating with these separatists movements, and are glad to see that such sentiments are more common among the people than we feared them to be.

Anyone who wants Gradient to handle their Jovian parts should transfer those parts to Vakir station in Pator, and set them on escrow to LaFond, the employee in charge of the collection. Due to so much of our resources being tied up in our ongoing anti-slavery efforts, we are sorry, but we will not be able to pick up parts from elsewhere.

We will decide when the time comes what is the best way to use the parts. The best option of course would be direct handing of them to the Republic, but if this is not possible due to constraints of amount or anything, we will consider other options, including the pooling of our collection with that of the Oracle/PRM rally.

In passing, I would like to add that while there is still not too much love lost between Gradient and Oracle, since their leaving of the Curse Alliance our standings towards each other have improved and we have hopes of this development continuing. However, as a corporation loyal to the Republic, we are naturally worried about their close association with the "new Republic".

Thank you again for showing this trust in Gradient. We have worked very hard for the Republic; it is nice to see that someone has noticed it.

Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient, PR Secretary

Makkar
Kinda'Shujaa
Posted - 2004.05.24 20:56:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Makkar on 24/05/2004 20:58:34
Oracle are not "In close association" with the PRM. We merely happen to find ourselves flying in the same direction, and shooting at the same bogies.

Oracle are not, and have never been, and will not be in the forseeable future, a member of PRM. Whilst we wish them luck, and salute them for taking a stand and finding the spine to stick up and fight for what they believe, Oracle remains independant, and we pursue the ideals of freedom in our own way.

With regards the collection of jovian parts, this is not a political matter in the slightest. We are assisting in the collection of parts for the good of all Minmatar, which, incidentally, includes those still in slavery. Elsebeth, whilst I can see Gradient's standpoint, let's not lose sight of the prize amidst a mess of bickering.

Dagoth IronJaw
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2004.05.24 20:57:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
We perfectly understand the hesitation of good citizens when it comes to co-operating with these separatists movements, and are glad to see that such sentiments are more common among the people than we feared them to be.


So let me guess... The ones who DO cooperate with the 'seperatists' are bad citizens? What a way to win friends, In my opinion you do not gain trust by labelling people bad citizens.

The bottom line is this:

You both claim to working for the good of Matar? Well cooperate, share the parts, and prove it.

Yradne Soulenai
Minmatar
Posted - 2004.05.25 06:04:00 - [24]
 

A question of logistics. Namely, that of the method of spreading the word. We fill 21% of the current player base and thus, I feel it necessary to go beyond these forums, at least beyond the Intergalactic Summit in order to reach more of our brethren and increase our chances with Jove diplomacy.

Lately, I have been monitoring local traffic for the Minmatar, and have engaged in brief correspondance, outlining the current state of affairs and giving directions. This method is clearly inefficient in terms of reaching a wide audience, but certainly is effective in its closely personal method. I wonder whether Anchored information buoys would reach the audience we require.

I invite the proposal of ideas.

Wren
Minmatar
x13
IT Alliance
Posted - 2004.05.25 07:45:00 - [25]
 

We will need public announcements through every available media.

Also, maybe secure cans notifying passerbys of the drop off points and contact persons.

Other than that, I hope everyone can agree that the PRM and the loyalist Republic people need to cooperate here and get this done right and get it done the best if we are to stand a chance.

Let me know if I can be of service in any way.

Freya Jones
Minmatar
WASTELAND MINERS Inc.
Posted - 2004.05.25 14:35:00 - [26]
 

Hello all,

Apologies for this digression, but the seperatists aren't bad citizens of the Republic, they are self declared non-citizens. Hope that clears up any idea that Gradient is trying to label anybody.

With Respect,

Freya Jones
Gradient

Bad Harlequin
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2004.05.25 15:30:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Darius Shakor
I see that the love is still there between Oracle and Gradient. However, an important note here. I do not think that individually, each collection will net over 1000 pieces and it might be required for both to get together and present the pieces jointly. If this is the case then this little tit for tat isn't going to help our people.Wink

I was addressing Maya's concerns that she wouldn't feel comfortable donating to the PRM directly (Splitters!!!), and Gradient was mentioned as a second collection point for loyalists, which soundslike a good idea.

The split of 'reward' was for the wink wink nudge nudge that the single largest donator of, erm, parts, would be rewarded for their collection efforts. All this may be moot as someone else entirely will possibly "win" that.

As for the overall restoration of Misu himself, if there is no way to contact or approach the Jove directly, and the Empires refuse to lower this bizarre 1000 minimum - none of which we'll know for sure until Wednesday at least - then yes, for the good of all Minmatar we will all likely be required to pool.

Hope that clarifies.

AsheRaven
Minmatar
Blood Raiders Initiate
BLOOD EMPIRE
Posted - 2004.05.25 15:42:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Freya Jones
Hello all,

Apologies for this digression, but the seperatists aren't bad citizens of the Republic, they are self declared non-citizens. Hope that clears up any idea that Gradient is trying to label anybody.

With Respect,

Freya Jones
Gradient


So what does that make me who is a ciziten of neither? Self imposed exile maybe. I hope that doesnt make me a bad anything really.

On this matter I am seriously considering the potential and my conscience. I know you'll respect my descion either way, I have to do what I think is the most honourble thing to do, to both the Jovians and the Matari people. How long do we have to decide on this matter?

OdinWolph
Minmatar
Posted - 2004.05.25 23:15:00 - [29]
 

Dear Brothers and Sisters.

Divided we will gain nothing from this. A chain is only as strong as it's weakest link. Should a portion of our people gain special benefits from submitting these parts then so be it. It matters not to me who would gain a special tooken of apreciation, should the Jovians find it right to reward any special faction or corporation for this, and it should not matter to you either. We will all benefit greatly by showing the Jovians our willingness to cooperate with them, in their time of greif.

They have been good to us in the past and even if we should receive nothing from this from them, we still have something that no one can take away in the end of it all. The Honor of repaying, in every way that we are able to, someone that extended a hand in our hours of need.

We will gain very little if we will stand divided in this effort. I can understand that some of you feel that the Peoples Republic of Minmatar are working against the empier and I can understand your reaction in a way. However I feel that your suspision is misguided. We will all benefit in the end. No single faction will harvest the fruits of our endavours to repay the Jovians.

Should you feel uncomfortable to contact PRM directly there are now other options that you can take in order to contribute to the cause of our people. Don't hesitate now brothers and sisters. We are all working for a greater cause here.

We must unite and see to the good of all our people and focus on one goal.

One purpose, one goal, one vision; A bright future for our people!

May the light of Matar shine on us all.

- Ortamus din Wolph

AsheRaven
Minmatar
Blood Raiders Initiate
BLOOD EMPIRE
Posted - 2004.05.26 12:38:00 - [30]
 

Now official word from the Jovians has come through, I shall donate my parts. However, I will think very carefully on the donation part. I want to make sure that our donation benefits the Minmitar People and the Jovians. I have mangaed to convince Ashka to do the same.


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