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hall monitor
Posted - 2008.07.06 15:56:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: hall monitor on 06/07/2008 15:57:00
It's not even evil...it's silly and wrecks the viability of the game taken in any rational context. You know I'm right. I might quit because of it and I just started...why spend all that time to just get wrecked via a method that should be an illegal exploit IMHO Crying or Very sadCrying or Very sadCrying or Very sadCrying or Very sadCrying or Very sadCrying or Very sadCrying or Very sadCrying or Very sad

Verone
Gallente
Veto Corp
Posted - 2008.07.06 15:57:00 - [2]
 


If you want to be 100% safe, in a sugar coated environment that protects you and prevents loss, Eve is the wrong game to log into.


Viqtoria
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2008.07.06 15:59:00 - [3]
 

I wouldn't mind being sugar coated

Spiteful Soul
Method of Destruction
Privateer Alliance
Posted - 2008.07.06 16:00:00 - [4]
 

I feel your pain, dont quit =((((((

Jim McGregor
Posted - 2008.07.06 16:01:00 - [5]
 


So instead of finding another game more to your liking, you want to change this one so it suits you.

I like Eve how it is, thank you.

Doc Extropy
Gallente
Cruentus Invicta
The Covenant Alliance
Posted - 2008.07.06 16:01:00 - [6]
 

Can I have your stuff?

hall monitor
Posted - 2008.07.06 16:02:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Verone

If you want to be 100% safe, in a sugar coated environment that protects you and prevents loss, Eve is the wrong game to log into.




Now come on freind! You run to the extreme as many others do forgetting the 1000 other ways to die including in high sec. "Hello Kitty Island EVE" is not what I want...I love everything except this silly suicide ganking nonsense. If you have a fleet, I can see sacrificing ships for a greater goal but there honestly should be semblance to reality which makes the game more enjoyable.
Why not have flying hambergers and fries that shoot through straws? A: Because it's silly and takes away the rational element of the game.

Suicide ganking = hambergerz n friez shipz.
Rolling EyesRolling EyesRolling EyesRolling EyesRolling EyesRolling Eyes

Tzigan Jegos
Posted - 2008.07.06 16:02:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Tzigan Jegos on 06/07/2008 16:02:27

I will participate in destroying an 1,500,000,000.00 ISK freighter ship and its cargo just to lose almost nothing because insurance reimburses my suicidal ship.

This is ok.

Deyalarah
Posted - 2008.07.06 16:02:00 - [9]
 

I think the only really silly part of it is the insurance, what is it, 85mil for a raven, 30mil insurance and pays out 115m? either disable/reduce insurance payour from concorde kills, or base insurance values off of actual mineral costs, not expected.

Kazuma Saruwatari
Posted - 2008.07.06 16:04:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Jim McGregor

So instead of finding another game more to your liking, you want to change this one so it suits you.

I like Eve how it is, thank you.



considering the market for sci-fi space MMO's out there, its no wonder. EVE is the only one worth a damn. Everything else is not up to snuff, or doesnt exist yet, or isnt ready for prime consumer usage.

Zinras
Caldari
Order of draugr
Posted - 2008.07.06 16:05:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Zinras on 06/07/2008 16:06:15
Originally by: hall monitor
Edited by: hall monitor on 06/07/2008 15:57:00
It's not even evil...it's silly and wrecks the viability of the game taken in any rational context. You know I'm right. I might quit because of it and I just started...why spend all that time to just get wrecked via a method that should be an illegal exploit IMHO Crying or Very sadCrying or Very sadCrying or Very sadCrying or Very sadCrying or Very sadCrying or Very sadCrying or Very sadCrying or Very sad


Stuff, can I haz? Very Happy

Suicide ganking is fine, it's the insurance that's horribly broken.
Also, don't fly all your stuff around at once or fly in high traffic systems with officer fits and such.
Makes you less of a target.

Aria Seniste
Posted - 2008.07.06 16:08:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Deyalarah
I think the only really silly part of it is the insurance, what is it, 85mil for a raven, 30mil insurance and pays out 115m? either disable/reduce insurance payour from concorde kills, or base insurance values off of actual mineral costs, not expected.


Modules. Rigs. Drones.

Of course, if you think you can fight in an unfitted battleship, be my guest.

Honestly, anyone who wants battleship insurance nerfed has never been in a fleet fight. Wouldn't it just be lovely if, when your ship pops in a matter of seconds, you then get to spend 6-8 hours ratting/mining/whatever it is you do... just to replace it?

Oooh boy, if theres one thing I want from EVE, it's more grinding for ISK and less PVP.

hall monitor
Posted - 2008.07.06 16:09:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Zinras
Edited by: Zinras on 06/07/2008 16:06:15
Originally by: hall monitor
Edited by: hall monitor on 06/07/2008 15:57:00
It's not even evil...it's silly and wrecks the viability of the game taken in any rational context. You know I'm right. I might quit because of it and I just started...why spend all that time to just get wrecked via a method that should be an illegal exploit IMHO Crying or Very sadCrying or Very sadCrying or Very sadCrying or Very sadCrying or Very sadCrying or Very sadCrying or Very sadCrying or Very sad


Stuff, can I haz? Very Happy

Suicide ganking is fine, it's the insurance that's horribly broken.
Also, don't fly all your stuff around at once or fly in high traffic systems with officer fits and such.
Makes you less of a target.


I can't LEAVE! Crying or Very sadCrying or Very sadCrying or Very sad I don't have anywhere else left to go!!! Crying or Very sadCrying or Very sadCrying or Very sadCrying or Very sadCrying or Very sad

Taken from Mayo naise "An Officer and a Gentleman." Laughing

Hendelse
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.07.06 16:11:00 - [14]
 

How about we just make everywhere 0.0 space?

Lorna Loot
Caldari
NibbleTek
Posted - 2008.07.06 16:11:00 - [15]
 

Can I have the stuff that didnt go pop?

Chinger
Caldari
Domini Umbrus
DEFI4NT
Posted - 2008.07.06 16:16:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: hall monitor
Edited by: hall monitor on 06/07/2008 15:57:00
It's not even evil...it's silly and wrecks the viability of the game taken in any rational context. You know I'm right. I might quit because of it and I just started...why spend all that time to just get wrecked via a method that should be an illegal exploit IMHO Crying or Very sadCrying or Very sadCrying or Very sadCrying or Very sadCrying or Very sadCrying or Very sadCrying or Very sadCrying or Very sad


Its very simple, if you are going to transport something of high value, do it in a small fast ship(if possible, one that can cloak).

Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2008.07.06 16:16:00 - [17]
 

Sounds like a 14 day old noob used GTC's to get himself a CNR with faction fitting, and proceeded to loosing it in a suicide gank.

hall monitor
Posted - 2008.07.06 16:18:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Lorna Loot
Can I have the stuff that didnt go pop?


hahahahahahahaha... I mean no. I'm trying to make a point here. OK by your's and other's rationale, it's ok to have jolly green giant-shaped ships. It's would be perfectly ok to have things happen which WOULD NEVER HAPPEN in any feasible reality including the sci-fi universe of EVE.

Some cowboy/girl mozey's into high sec and shoots a ship...ok I can see that happening; but then him or his buddies get to loot the wreck right under the noses of Concord?Shocked Are we supposed to believe that would happen? You punch a cop and then send your uncle to take his wallet? ugh

Noi. Fail. Wrong. End it please CCP please please please!Laughing

Sergeant Spot
Galactic Geographic BookMark Surveying Inc.
Posted - 2008.07.06 16:19:00 - [19]
 

Suicide Ganking is broken.

Short of a massive overhaul of a number of aspects of the game, there is only one "simple" solution: No insurance pay out when a ship dies while flagged to 0.5+ Concord.

The above will not end suicide ganking, as valuable enough cargo will STILL be worth it, but it will certainly change the math.

Aria Seniste
Posted - 2008.07.06 16:20:00 - [20]
 

It's ironic how the most devastating losses are in highsec.

Care to guess why?

In lowsec/0.0 you minimize your risk. You'd not fly a five billion isk faction battleship, and if you did, the proper precautions would be taken.

You'd not carry all your wealth in one hauler, it'd be silly.

Turns out, it's just as silly in highsec, which is not perfectly safe. The "safety" of CONCORD actually puts people at more risk, because they fail to recognize the danger, and walk right into it. Funny how being aware of a threat makes you avoid it better than the carebear police... Laughing

Chinger
Caldari
Domini Umbrus
DEFI4NT
Posted - 2008.07.06 16:20:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: hall monitor
Originally by: Lorna Loot
Can I have the stuff that didnt go pop?


hahahahahahahaha... I mean no. I'm trying to make a point here. OK by your's and other's rationale, it's ok to have jolly green giant-shaped ships. It's would be perfectly ok to have things happen which WOULD NEVER HAPPEN in any feasible reality including the sci-fi universe of EVE.

Some cowboy/girl mozey's into high sec and shoots a ship...ok I can see that happening; but then him or his buddies get to loot the wreck right under the noses of Concord?Shocked Are we supposed to believe that would happen? You punch a cop and then send your uncle to take his wallet? ugh

Noi. Fail. Wrong. End it please CCP please please please!Laughing



Actually this is a sort of feasible reality for one reason. RP wise, we pod pilots are immortal, and for the most part we can do anything we want.

hall monitor
Posted - 2008.07.06 16:22:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Chinger
Actually this is a sort of feasible reality for one reason. RP wise, we pod pilots are immortal, and for the most part we can do anything we want.


No Concord would arrest and jail your clone for eternity.

Serenity Steele
Dynamic Data Distribution
Posted - 2008.07.06 16:24:00 - [23]
 

This issue was raised by the Council of Stellar Management at the first CSM meeting on 19th June, together with a set of solutions. CCP are aware of it.

hall monitor
Posted - 2008.07.06 16:24:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Sergeant Spot
Suicide Ganking is broken.

Short of a massive overhaul of a number of aspects of the game, there is only one "simple" solution: No insurance pay out when a ship dies while flagged to 0.5+ Concord.

The above will not end suicide ganking, as valuable enough cargo will STILL be worth it, but it will certainly change the math.



This is a rational idea.Very Happy

Jim McGregor
Posted - 2008.07.06 16:26:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Jim McGregor on 06/07/2008 16:27:10

Originally by: Serenity Steele
This issue was raised by the Council of Stellar Management at the first CSM meeting on 19th June, together with a set of solutions. CCP are aware of it.


What "issue"... suicide ganking has been in the game since 2003...its part of the game design. CCP would be crazy to prohibit such a core idea of Eve.

You can adjust insurances though, that might be a tad broken. Smile

Chinger
Caldari
Domini Umbrus
DEFI4NT
Posted - 2008.07.06 16:26:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: hall monitor
Originally by: Chinger
Actually this is a sort of feasible reality for one reason. RP wise, we pod pilots are immortal, and for the most part we can do anything we want.


No Concord would arrest and jail your clone for eternity.



All of them? including ones outside lawful space? I think you underestimate (from a RP point again) just how powerful and feared we pod pilots are. Even if concord doesn't like you, such as people with -10 sec status, there will be places you can live and people who will willingly take you in just because you are a pod pilot.

Aria Seniste
Posted - 2008.07.06 16:26:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: hall monitor
Originally by: Chinger
Actually this is a sort of feasible reality for one reason. RP wise, we pod pilots are immortal, and for the most part we can do anything we want.


No Concord would arrest and jail your clone for eternity.



Negative. CONCORD does not jail anyone. Also, killing someone elses ship is a pretty minor crime. It's not like you murdered another pilot and somehow destroyed all their clones. Even podding isn't murder when they can simply clone themselves.

Troll.

Nocturnal Avenger
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2008.07.06 16:27:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: hall monitor
Edited by: hall monitor on 06/07/2008 15:57:00
It's not even evil...it's silly and wrecks the viability of the game taken in any rational context. You know I'm right. I might quit because of it and I just started...why spend all that time to just get wrecked via a method that should be an illegal exploit IMHO Crying or Very sadCrying or Very sadCrying or Very sadCrying or Very sadCrying or Very sadCrying or Very sadCrying or Very sadCrying or Very sad


I have played almost 3 years without being suicide ganked.

Your stuff please.

Kazuma Saruwatari
Posted - 2008.07.06 16:29:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Jim McGregor
CCP would be crazy to prohibit such a core idea of Eve.


They would be even crazier if they let it go to such an extent that it starts eating away at EVE as bad press from disgruntled suicided ex-players start flooding the internets with biased anti-comments and the PCU numbers dwindle.

Far-fetched, yes, but still, not totally outside the realm of possibility. Lets not forget about RL concerns with money and how frugal people are turning out to be when the pocket gets a little bit shallower...

Nebuchadnezzar I
Art of War
Cult of War
Posted - 2008.07.06 16:30:00 - [30]
 

As the bob guy said. The solution is easy, no insurance when concord is involved, pretty easy, amazing ccp hasnt been capable of introducing that yet.


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