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DJ Geist
Posted - 2008.07.06 07:14:00 - [1]
 

$15 for a single issue? This seems very excessive, about double of what most zine's cost these days (and yes I am thinking of glossier, more 'zine' like magazines: many magazines are still even less that $6 or $7 dollars).

Is the problem low print runs and bad distribution, trying to offset the cost by hiking the prices to buyers?

I've perused one issue once and it was mildly interesting, even a subscription seems interesting, but at its current price I'm highly deterred by the ripoff pricing. Anyone else agree with me? Perhaps if enough people expressed interest to buy the same magazine at a lower price ccp could be convinced to print more copies at reasonable prices.

Erialor Godsent
Gallente
Federal Navy Support Divison
Posted - 2008.07.06 07:19:00 - [2]
 

I find the price to be reasonable fair - I've seen and bought computer-magazines at a similar price.

Most magazines have - more or less - relevant ads that helps financing said magazines.
EON only has EVE-related ads, and afaik they're paid for with ISKs, as in not really helping financing the magazine.


Thelying dutchman
The Scope
Posted - 2008.07.06 07:29:00 - [3]
 

Don't buy it?

Voodoo Mistross
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2008.07.06 07:32:00 - [4]
 

Quote:
EON (magazine) is overpriced


Solution - DON'T BUY ITRolling Eyes

Sakura Nihil
Selective Pressure
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2008.07.06 07:36:00 - [5]
 

THEN DON'T BUY IT, GENIUS!

Micia
Minmatar
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
Circle-Of-Two
Posted - 2008.07.06 07:45:00 - [6]
 

No, I don't think it's overprice at all, given that it's an extremely niche magasine.

The only issue I have with EON is their stupid shopping cart. Can't add multiple items to the basket. ugh

LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
Posted - 2008.07.06 08:00:00 - [7]
 

Well, lets see what you get:

A lot of pages in high-gloss awesomeness.
Awesome smell of the ink.
Interesting content and fiction.
A huge map! Shocked
Fun qoutes in the back of the magazine, excellent read usually.
Expert knowledge by Benilopax on the market.
A comic.
Nice art.
Interviews with CCP employees.

What more can you ask for? Free GTC's? Shocked

Piper Halliwell
Minmatar
Phantom Squad
En Garde
Posted - 2008.07.06 08:43:00 - [8]
 

Have not looked at a copy really recently, but if memory serves in addition to what was said above I don't remember any random advertisements, only in game stuff about corps and what have you.

Zakgram
POW ZAP THWAPP
Posted - 2008.07.06 08:48:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Zakgram on 06/07/2008 08:48:59
Originally by: LaVista Vista
A lot of pages in high-gloss awesomeness.
Awesome smell of the ink.


I'd pay much less for a pdf version - but I'd pay - right now I've stopped subscribing so they get $0 from me for their work. $some should be better than $0.
Originally by: LaVista Vista
A huge map! Shocked


At my age a big map isn't useful. The wife isn't going to let me stick it on the wall, and anyway I bought the Strategic one so it's of no value to me.
Originally by: LaVista Vista
What more can you ask for? Free GTC's? Shocked

A PDF version that is a lot cheaper, instantly available to download.Very Happy

Jim McGregor
Posted - 2008.07.06 08:49:00 - [10]
 


I agree with the previous posters. Dont complain about the price, just dont buy it if you dont like it. Vote with your wallet. Smile

Theronnos
Aliastra
Posted - 2008.07.06 09:09:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Theronnos on 06/07/2008 09:09:58
I agree that it is overpriced. So that is the reason why I quite after 4 issues.
Even though those 4 issues I have are very very awesome. it's just not worth it for that price.
And I find it very sad that the extra stuff you get, like the posters(map, iron tide) are damaged :(

Edit: I can understand the price though, as only a small amount of people buy it.

Cailais
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
Posted - 2008.07.06 10:06:00 - [12]
 

Considering that E-ON has no 'out of game' advertisements, is professionaly produced and well written and caters for - in media terms - an incredibly small readership I think its amazingly well priced.

I'd argue it's less of a magazine and more of a collectors item charting the progress and changes to a constantly changing game universe. Collectors items typically do cost a bit more than your run of the mill magazine.

But yeah, if you dont think it's worth it just don't buy it.

C.


Alexandros Balfros
Caldari
Pax Britannia
Rally Against Evil
Posted - 2008.07.06 10:52:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Erialor Godsent
I find the price to be reasonable fair - I've seen and bought computer-magazines at a similar price.

Most magazines have - more or less - relevant ads that helps financing said magazines.
EON only has EVE-related ads, and afaik they're paid for with ISKs, as in not really helping financing the magazine.




Indeed, PC Gamer in the UK is about Ł6 which translates to about $12 so it seems pretty fair considering the lack of ads trying to sell you random crap

DJ Geist
Posted - 2008.07.06 14:22:00 - [14]
 

In response to the first few people who have posted....of course I'm not buying it due to the fact that I think it is overpriced. But I also chose to post and complain about it in the hopes of rallying people to bring the price down!

Why is it that so many people in this community give curt, condascending responses of the "roll-your eyeballs this is obvious" variety? I mean your expressions of supposed insight are only also effective as expressions of power over newbs if the insights are clear to everyone else and not to the newb. If they are really obvious to everyone involved, however, then the comments are just simply redundant.

I've been getting so much attitude lately within eve just for raising issues and asking questions, in forums or help chat for example, it's been really discouraging. It would be nice if people employed more of a principle of charity and conversed more amicably, instead of assuming that they are guardians of everything that should be obvious and that the new eve initiates exist to say stupid things and get shot down.

Another trend I've noticed in the eve community is good old fashioned stubborness, so in the interests of overcoming that...

Some posts here make fair points. I guess I should think of EON more like a specialist fanzine and collectors item, and not like your average $6-8 magazine off of the newstand rack. So I'm thinking of ordering a couple of issues and seeing what I think. Can people who read the magazine regularly comment more on what they think makes the 'zine worthwhile? What features of EON are timeless and collectable for you?

Quetl
Posted - 2008.07.06 14:32:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Micia
The only issue I have with EON is their stupid shopping cart. Can't add multiple items to the basket. ugh


Totally agree - Ordered 3 recently, they came in same package - Bit mean if I actually get charged for P&P 3times like it says I Should :P

I won't subscribe for 4 episodes, it doesn't save me much so i'd rather have that money in my pocket.

I think it is a little bit over priced, if it was free p&p then it wouldn't bother me too much. I got mine like the next day so obviously they have a distribution centre in the UK.

It is a good magazine though, and it's not like its every week. I'm slowly building up the back catalogue as well, even though alot of it's years old and out of date, got some interesting reads and a few giggles.

Maybe have some commericial advertisement? Websites that sell GTC's or some computer firm, maybe have a 2 page spread of them at somepoint, nothing that's in your face. I don't think lowering the price will make that big a difference though, as I doubt there is many of us who are THAT into EVE in the first place. I personally love the whole brand, I want Eve-TV back, and even admit I want to find someone I can play the EVE CCG against! (Comon! everyone played Pokémon, why be ashamed of EVE ccg? ;) - ironically, EVE ccg is cheap compared to the competition, more cards in boosters and lower price usually.)

Dr Slaughter
Minmatar
Coreli Corporation
Naraka.
Posted - 2008.07.06 19:03:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: DJ Geist
$15 for a single issue? This seems very excessive
Small print run, high quality paper, full colour.. I'm sure CCP would be interested if you can provide them with a printer who can do it cheaper.

Matthew Cooper
Fourth Circle
Posted - 2008.07.06 19:09:00 - [17]
 

So nice I bought some twice (only because some got damaged beyond collection quality Crying or Very sad).

Elaron
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2008.07.06 19:10:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Zakgram
A PDF version that is a lot cheaper, instantly available to download.Very Happy

Which would get ripped off, copied, and shared, damaging their sales.

Azia Burgi
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2008.07.06 19:28:00 - [19]
 

my only complaint about EON is that it is not out often enough. I'd still buy it if it was monthly.

As long as they don't have any more poorly written "thought experiments" (that was 5 or 6 pages of absolute drivel). It was only the first issue that had IRL adverts, since then it has contained Eve related adverts.

Well worth the money. I'll be resubscribing.


Jacob Mei
Gallente
Posted - 2008.07.06 19:36:00 - [20]
 

From what ive heard, EON is more like a gift you get a friend for his birthday if you dont know what else to get him.

Selene Bork
Caldari
Celtic industries
Posted - 2008.07.06 19:46:00 - [21]
 

I'd but it if it was double in price. In the end you have to make the judgement call on whether this is of value to you.

To me it is, and the mining article was fun to read Very Happy

Zapatero


E-ON
Posted - 2008.07.06 21:06:00 - [22]
 

It's true that E-ON is relatively pricey compared to other gaming magazines. It's also true that the actual market in which E-ON vies for attention is a niche one. Without being able to rely on the ad revenues that other magazines can rely on, E-ON will always remain a "premium" price product. (I can't believe I said that.)

Personally I'd love it if E-ON was available twice as often as it is now. A release every 6 weeks would allow us to cover many more in-game developments. Sometimes it seems like we're only scratching the surface of all the things happening in EVE. But if we made EON smaller (and cheaper) and released it more often, what would people think?

- Z

Pasha Cracken
Caldari
The Maverick Navy
IT Alliance
Posted - 2008.07.06 21:09:00 - [23]
 

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Pasha Cracken
Caldari
The Maverick Navy
IT Alliance
Posted - 2008.07.06 22:23:00 - [24]
 

very little time, and its original


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Azia Burgi
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2008.07.06 23:00:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Zapatero
It's true that E-ON is relatively pricey compared to other gaming magazines. It's also true that the actual market in which E-ON vies for attention is a niche one. Without being able to rely on the ad revenues that other magazines can rely on, E-ON will always remain a "premium" price product. (I can't believe I said that.)

Personally I'd love it if E-ON was available twice as often as it is now. A release every 6 weeks would allow us to cover many more in-game developments. Sometimes it seems like we're only scratching the surface of all the things happening in EVE. But if we made EON smaller (and cheaper) and released it more often, what would people think?

- Z
the length is just about right, smaller issues would make me feel a bit ripped off. i'm all for more issues.

if you kept the same price and did one every 6 weeks could you afford to bring back eveTV?

I'm still waiting for EON's reporters to come knocking and ask me about the cemetery...


Digital Solaris
Posted - 2008.07.06 23:03:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Zapatero
It's true that E-ON is relatively pricey compared to other gaming magazines. It's also true that the actual market in which E-ON vies for attention is a niche one. Without being able to rely on the ad revenues that other magazines can rely on, E-ON will always remain a "premium" price product. (I can't believe I said that.)

Personally I'd love it if E-ON was available twice as often as it is now. A release every 6 weeks would allow us to cover many more in-game developments. Sometimes it seems like we're only scratching the surface of all the things happening in EVE. But if we made EON smaller (and cheaper) and released it more often, what would people think?

- Z


I am not a subscriber myself, but a proud owner of #4 after DJ Xod (before he went to CCP) raffled it on a EVE-radio show yonks ago, but as for E-ON in a smaller format and a more frequent release schedule, there are good and bad-points with that I think.

One of the good things would be that you get that juicy fanzine more often. One of the downers, I imagine, would be that E-ON might suffer from poor literal quality (articles, fan stories, and so forth) because of its schedule, and I believe that would eventually put people off from it as it quickly will become mediocre.

Doddy
Excidium.
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2008.07.07 00:07:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: DJ Geist
Can people who read the magazine regularly comment more on what they think makes the 'zine worthwhile? What features of EON are timeless and collectable for you?


The guides are usually interesting (the ship ones were getting silly, i mean guides for moms and pirate battleships? what % of people in eve actually fly those??). The interviews of players/corps/alliances tend not to be. The chronicles are a mixed bunch. The news is generally out of date (not much they can do about that). The little funny bits are probably what keeps me buying it tbh. Its also handy for finding out about oog eve-related stuff i probably wouldn't know about otherwise, like useful websites etc. The best thing the magazine has had for me so far has been the history though, i hope they keep it up.

Niccolado Starwalker
Gallente
Shadow Templars
Posted - 2008.07.07 00:21:00 - [28]
 

Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 07/07/2008 00:43:21
Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 07/07/2008 00:24:26
Originally by: DJ Geist
$15 for a single issue? This seems very excessive, about double of what most zine's cost these days (and yes I am thinking of glossier, more 'zine' like magazines: many magazines are still even less that $6 or $7 dollars).

Is the problem low print runs and bad distribution, trying to offset the cost by hiking the prices to buyers?

I've perused one issue once and it was mildly interesting, even a subscription seems interesting, but at its current price I'm highly deterred by the ripoff pricing. Anyone else agree with me? Perhaps if enough people expressed interest to buy the same magazine at a lower price ccp could be convinced to print more copies at reasonable prices.


I have subscribed the magazine almost since the very beginning, and have all magazines that have been published. And I find the magazine to be worth every single penny!

Originally by: Zapatero
Personally I'd love it if E-ON was available twice as often as it is now. A release every 6 weeks would allow us to cover many more in-game developments. Sometimes it seems like we're only scratching the surface of all the things happening in EVE. But if we made EON smaller (and cheaper) and released it more often, what would people think?
- Z


Personally I dont care about the price if the product is good. And E-ON is one of the better!

When it comes to change to it.. I dont think I would prefer a smaller magazine compared of todays version. The magazine is perfect sized today. i think by reducing it will make it too small! it does not matter if the price is reduced. I want quality! And imho you wont get that if you reduce it!

The magazine is super! What I like best are:

1. The interviews with CCP personell. All of them, no matter what they work with within the company!

2. Interviews with EVE characters!

3. Ship configurations!

4. Happenings in EVE

5. So much much more!

So buy the magazine! its well worth it! :)

Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.07.07 00:40:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Doddy
The guides are usually interesting (the ship ones were getting silly, i mean guides for moms and pirate battleships? what % of people in eve actually fly those??).

This is always such an amazingly obtuse viewpoint to take on this. Say you were looking to get into one and was curious what the actual cost would be, and how that equipment might be utilized? Translation: whether it's even worth it isk-wise or time-wise for you to even bother going for a capital, for example? The guides will be a good.. well... guide for someone who's possibly aspiring to go in that direction.

Or another way of putting it, the % of people in EVE who look at capitals and expensive faction ships and might possibly want to be in one is vastly higher than the % of people who think it's useless to write a guide about them. :)

Niccolado Starwalker
Gallente
Shadow Templars
Posted - 2008.07.07 00:54:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Winterblink
Originally by: Doddy
The guides are usually interesting (the ship ones were getting silly, i mean guides for moms and pirate battleships? what % of people in eve actually fly those??).

This is always such an amazingly obtuse viewpoint to take on this. Say you were looking to get into one and was curious what the actual cost would be, and how that equipment might be utilized? Translation: whether it's even worth it isk-wise or time-wise for you to even bother going for a capital, for example? The guides will be a good.. well... guide for someone who's possibly aspiring to go in that direction.

Or another way of putting it, the % of people in EVE who look at capitals and expensive faction ships and might possibly want to be in one is vastly higher than the % of people who think it's useless to write a guide about them. :)



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