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Ahlea
Posted - 2008.07.06 03:34:00 - [1]
 

I just returned from being on a six month hiatus. Imagine my surprise when I find out that hi-security empire has become the most dangerous area in all of Eve for anyone flying in something worth more than 150M.

-Suicide Gankers (4+ alpha'd BS waiting at a gate, scanning your modules, and trying to kill you before Concorde kills them if they see something they like) -- They've tried to do this to me three times in twice as many days since I've been back

-People stealing your loot during missions or mining cans so they turn blinky red, hoping you'll shoot them so they can bring in their alt or friends to try and blow you up...Concorde free

-People salvaging your loot during missions to where you can't have your drones flying around for fear of accidentally popping the thief and having Concorde pop you and your expensive ship

-The Faction Navies are useless so militias (friend and foe alike) can freely move about in high-sec

-People smart bombing in front of trade hubs just for the fun of it

(Due to these things, all of which I've seen in the last 6 days, I have sold my officer gear, my faction gear, and my faction ship on the market and have contracts out for the rest. I now fly around in a T2 fit only).

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I would feel more comfortable mining crokite in BoB space with no allies twenty jumps in any direction than I do mining, doing missions, or even just shopping in high sec.

Time to go back to 0.0 where there's some vestige of security. At least there, if I see someone I don't like, I don't have to wait for them to make their move, I can blow them up and ask questions later.

Jacob Mei
Gallente
Posted - 2008.07.06 03:37:00 - [2]
 

High sec space, where the truely brave live... truely!

Horizon Taker
Helljumpers
Double Dietsch Rudders
Posted - 2008.07.06 03:39:00 - [3]
 

Welcome to Eve, enjoy your stay.

Tyrantus
Posted - 2008.07.06 03:40:00 - [4]
 

It's really true. 0.0 is expotentialy safer than high sec if your flying around in pimped out officer fitted ships. Shocked

Efdi
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.07.06 03:41:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Horizon Taker
Welcome to Eve, enjoy your stay.


This was verbatim the first thing that popped into my head when I read the OP. :colbert:

Ahlea
Posted - 2008.07.06 03:46:00 - [6]
 

Let's compare safety aspects:

Recon:

Hi-Sec: There's so many peeps crammed into local you have no idea half the time who's there or who isn't

0.0: You'll know instantly if hostiles show up (or potential hostiles) because local is generally lightly occupied...and if a ton of people drop in, well, you know that too and can move to a SS.

Salvage Thieves:

Hi-Sec: They can salvage your wrecks freely lest you become part of the Concorde winepress

0.0: You can blow them up before they even realign to warp away


Security:

Hi-Sec: Undock at your own risk...who knows who among the 400 inhabitants in local is going to set off 6 smart bombs at the gate

0.0: You have POS and also, you know if there's baddies in the area (going back to point 1)


Gates:

Hi-Sec: It's a crapshoot as to whether neuts will try and blow you away to get your mods.

0.0: You know if there are potential baddies in the system because...refer to point #1...and can adjust your route accordingly


Militia:

Hi-Sec: You have to scan through the local population bar every few seconds to see if a WT came into the system; since the faction navies are useless, they can freely move about high-sec

0.0: Militia, neutral, or WT, you know if unwelcome peeps are flying around in your system because...refer to point #1

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In summary...0.0 wins for security. In hi-sec, pretty much anyone can and will try to blow you away for mods or kicks, destroying themselves in the process. In 0.0, when non-friendlies arrive in your system, you know since local isn't clogged...and more importantly, you can either fire on them without cause or move to an SS and cloak.

The sooner I'm out of hi-sec, the better.

Jacob Mei
Gallente
Posted - 2008.07.06 04:00:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Ahlea
Let's compare safety aspects:

Recon:

Hi-Sec: There's so many peeps crammed into local you have no idea half the time who's there or who isn't

0.0: You'll know instantly if hostiles show up (or potential hostiles) because local is generally lightly occupied...and if a ton of people drop in, well, you know that too and can move to a SS.

Salvage Thieves:

Hi-Sec: They can salvage your wrecks freely lest you become part of the Concorde winepress

0.0: You can blow them up before they even realign to warp away


Security:

Hi-Sec: Undock at your own risk...who knows who among the 400 inhabitants in local is going to set off 6 smart bombs at the gate

0.0: You have POS and also, you know if there's baddies in the area (going back to point 1)


Gates:

Hi-Sec: It's a crapshoot as to whether neuts will try and blow you away to get your mods.

0.0: You know if there are potential baddies in the system because...refer to point #1...and can adjust your route accordingly


Militia:

Hi-Sec: You have to scan through the local population bar every few seconds to see if a WT came into the system; since the faction navies are useless, they can freely move about high-sec

0.0: Militia, neutral, or WT, you know if unwelcome peeps are flying around in your system because...refer to point #1

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In summary...0.0 wins for security. In hi-sec, pretty much anyone can and will try to blow you away for mods or kicks, destroying themselves in the process. In 0.0, when non-friendlies arrive in your system, you know since local isn't clogged...and more importantly, you can either fire on them without cause or move to an SS and cloak.

The sooner I'm out of hi-sec, the better.


Shhh! Your going to flood 0.0 with a bunch of carebears!

Horizon Taker
Helljumpers
Double Dietsch Rudders
Posted - 2008.07.06 04:30:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Jacob Mei
Shhh! Your going to flood 0.0 with a bunch of carebears!


I'd argue that you're too late.

Drizit
Amarr
Posted - 2008.07.06 05:45:00 - [9]
 

And the inhabitants of 0.0 call US carebears Laughing

Shoukei
Caldari
Boobs Ahoy
Posted - 2008.07.06 05:49:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Horizon Taker
Originally by: Jacob Mei
Shhh! Your going to flood 0.0 with a bunch of carebears!


I'd argue that you're too late.


it pains me, but i have to agree.

Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Naqam
Posted - 2008.07.06 05:54:00 - [11]
 

K i'd like to see you AFK a freighter 50 jumps through 0.0 and survive

Dantes Revenge
Caldari
Posted - 2008.07.06 06:03:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Rawr Cristina
K i'd like to see you AFK a freighter 50 jumps through 0.0 and survive

I'd like to see you do it in highsec and surviveWink It's no less dangerous doing it in highsec.

Shoukei
Caldari
Boobs Ahoy
Posted - 2008.07.06 06:06:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Rawr Cristina
K i'd like to see you AFK a freighter 50 jumps through 0.0 and survive


you use jump freighters in .0, and you always jump to a well armed pos.

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2008.07.06 06:31:00 - [14]
 

while somewhat true stop using autopilot. nothing has changed in 6months other than concord getting buffed.

Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Naqam
Posted - 2008.07.06 06:38:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Rawr Cristina on 06/07/2008 06:40:57
Originally by: Dantes Revenge
Originally by: Rawr Cristina
K i'd like to see you AFK a freighter 50 jumps through 0.0 and survive

I'd like to see you do it in highsec and surviveWink It's no less dangerous doing it in highsec.


Only if you're carrying 2bil+ in cargo

Originally by: Shoukei
you use jump freighters in .0, and you always jump to a well armed pos.


true... but that's kind of the point isn't it? People who die in hi-sec do so because they're careless, whereas people in 0.0 are generally taking MUCH better precautions (such as using scouts, jumping to a POS, etc)

If everyone was as careless in 0.0 as they were in hi-sec, this thread wouldn't exist. Razz

Jawas
Gallente
Posted - 2008.07.06 06:45:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Rawr Cristina
Edited by: Rawr Cristina on 06/07/2008 06:40:57
Originally by: Dantes Revenge
Originally by: Rawr Cristina
K i'd like to see you AFK a freighter 50 jumps through 0.0 and survive

I'd like to see you do it in highsec and surviveWink It's no less dangerous doing it in highsec.


Only if you're carrying 2bil+ in cargo

Actually, that's not necessarily true. Just the fact that you are flying one in highsec is enough for some people to gank you cos they know they won't lose hardly anything but you will lose half a billion even with insurance. And since the Freighters are way too slow, it doesn't matter if you're AFK or not.

Furb Killer
Gallente
Posted - 2008.07.06 07:44:00 - [17]
 

GTFO out of jita + motsu and you wont have this problem...

I am parttime carebear (other half of time i pvp, but that costs isks so i mission in faction ship). I have been:
One time scanned for cargo/modules. Which was in perimeter just after i bought some stuff that wasnt being sold anywhere else. I just went away and no one ganked me.

Never had someone scan me down in mission

Never had drones pop random neutrals salvaging...

Never seen someone smartbombing in oursulaert (which is also a tradehub).


Get out of caldari space and stop whining.

Joe Starbreaker
M. Corp
Posted - 2008.07.06 07:49:00 - [18]
 

What's the point of this thread? You're just pointing out the obvious. Everybody already knows 0.0 is paradise for carebears, where they can make a fortune mining moons and ratting while their alliance-mates fight off neighboring alliances. High-sec is just a place to screw around for ****s and giggles, and low-sec is the endgame.

Andrue
Amarr
Posted - 2008.07.06 08:27:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: Andrue on 06/07/2008 08:29:43
Only a few places in high-sec are significantly dangerous and the risks are easy to mitigate. As long as you don't rely on the autopilot and don't haul valuable cargo in cheap T1 ships you'll be fine.

Ore and wreck 'theives' only plague the busier systems. They are also easily countered
and driven off by an organised group.
Originally by: Ahlea

Hi-Sec: Undock at your own risk...who knows who among the 400 inhabitants in local is going to set off 6 smart bombs at the gate

400 people in local? Huh. Well if you're stupid enough to play in that kind of overcrowded system you deserve what you get. Most systems have less than a couple of dozen people in them.

Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Naqam
Posted - 2008.07.06 08:38:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Jawas
Originally by: Rawr Cristina

Only if you're carrying 2bil+ in cargo

Actually, that's not necessarily true. Just the fact that you are flying one in highsec is enough for some people to gank you.


Yes, and some people get struck by lightning.

R3dSh1ft
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2008.07.06 08:47:00 - [21]
 

Hed-GP is completely safe I hear.

Steve Celeste
Overdogs
Posted - 2008.07.06 08:53:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Jawas
Just the fact that you are flying one in highsec is enough for some people to gank you cos they know they won't lose hardly anything but you will lose half a billion even with insurance. And since the Freighters are way too slow, it doesn't matter if you're AFK or not.

You can't just gank a freighter in highsec with a few torp ravens.

I highly doubt this happens on a regular basis, so proof or stfu.

Andrue
Amarr
Posted - 2008.07.06 09:29:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Steve Celeste
Originally by: Jawas
Just the fact that you are flying one in highsec is enough for some people to gank you cos they know they won't lose hardly anything but you will lose half a billion even with insurance. And since the Freighters are way too slow, it doesn't matter if you're AFK or not.

You can't just gank a freighter in highsec with a few torp ravens.

I highly doubt this happens on a regular basis, so proof or stfu.
I suspect this thread is just another lame attempt to attract victims to the 0.0 meat grinder. It's amazing how many people in 0.0 are begging to have us come and share their wealth. The numbers speak for themselves I feel. Empire has no need to advertise because it's where most characters want to be. 0.0 OTOH seems to be in constant need of advertising in a never ending attempt to keep the numbers up.

Jim McGregor
Posted - 2008.07.06 09:31:00 - [24]
 


Empire just got a lot more fun and interesting. Stay in 0.0 if you want to be safe. Laughing

Karanth
Gallente
RONA Corporation
RONA Directorate
Posted - 2008.07.06 09:32:00 - [25]
 

"Stan, get into the car, we have to evacuate!"

"WE DIDN'T LISTEN!"

Horizon Taker
Helljumpers
Double Dietsch Rudders
Posted - 2008.07.06 09:36:00 - [26]
 

-sigh- Just fit tank mods onto your freighter while you autopilot it through high sec and you'll make it.

Gamesguy
Amarr
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2008.07.06 09:45:00 - [27]
 

See those 40 ships outside 4-4 undock, see how they're not shooting at you?

In 0.0 those 40 people would be shooting each other.

Only idiots think highsec/lowsec is safer.

Zinras
Caldari
Order of draugr
Posted - 2008.07.06 09:54:00 - [28]
 

PROTIP: Don't fly officer fitted faction ships in high traffic areas. Of course there will be gankers at the gates because everyone and their mother flies through the system, which increases the chance of stupid freighter and officer fitted CNR pilots coming your way significantly.

While it's no secret that the insurance system is horribly broken, there's still a certain number of million ISK they have to be able to get from you before they want to gank you.

You can still AFK autopilot safely through high sec as long as you don't carry cargo/fittings worth enough for them to gank you. I do it all the time and even though they scan me every once in a while, they have no reason to kill me, since there's much better prey coming their way anyway.

Thenoran
Caldari
Tranquility Industries
Posted - 2008.07.06 09:56:00 - [29]
 

The reason 0.0 is so empty (I traveled through 8-12 systems there and nothing but empty local) is not even all that much due to fact you can get shot there without CONCORD showing up.
Its NBSI that causes it, as well as low-sec gate camps leading into 0.0.

I would doubt if I trained for a Deimos and flew it into 0.0 that I would find a lot of solo targets to gank without getting some corp or alliance on my tail at the next gate, provided I'd even get there to gank someone.

With NBSI it isn't a risk that you will get killed, its a certainty, so people stay in High sec.
I'd have no problem moving to low-sec or 0.0 with my Hulk and other ships, if I could make more ISK there when taking in all the ships and pods I will lose, compared to the relative easier means of making ISK in High sec.

Added to that, I've been to both 0.0 and low-sec, the latter is nothing but gatecamps and camping out a station for hours and hours hoping you can gank them before they warp out or re-dock.

0.0 is not a place to solo much of anything, you'll be constantly needed (even as an industrialist) to grab your guns to defend the alliance or wait in POS/SS for hours till the system is either 'safe' or a big enough fleet arrives to fight back.

I have better things to do than wait for hours just get a kill in my Blasterokh, I'll go do missions, plexes and industry instead ugh

Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
Posted - 2008.07.06 10:02:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Gamesguy
See those 40 ships outside 4-4 undock, see how they're not shooting at you?

In 0.0 those 40 people would be shooting each other.

Only idiots think highsec/lowsec is safer.


idiots in highsec are in greater danger than smart pilots (maybe smart is being too generous here, but I think you guys should be able to understand what I mean) in 0.0 Razz


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