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Gimpb
The Scope
Posted - 2008.06.26 20:28:00 - [31]
 

It just goes to show that many so called carebears have some rawr in them.

I must admit I wish FW had been around when I was first getting started. I really wanted to get into PvP but it was tough for me to dabble, the only way was to just jump in with both feet. It's fantastic that people now have a way to dabble, I'd have been all over that 6 months ago.

Faife
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2008.06.26 21:20:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Gimpb
It just goes to show that many so called carebears have some rawr in them.

I must admit I wish FW had been around when I was first getting started. I really wanted to get into PvP but it was tough for me to dabble, the only way was to just jump in with both feet. It's fantastic that people now have a way to dabble, I'd have been all over that 6 months ago.


i think the idea of "carebear" is a faulty one. always have, always will. i think a lot of people are freaked out by the permadeath-ish sensation of eve (since you can't resurrect a ship) and start making bad decisions when danger is nearby.

in almost all RPGs it behooves you to always spend all your money on the best and shiniest. the fact that in eve it doesn't is unobvious to new players.

the great thing about FW is that it lets people compete in cruisers/frigates and realize that "oh hey, i dont need to be able to go toe to toe against t2 fit battleships in order to have fun in this".

and that really is the low-sec pirate's worst nightmare. not the combat ships in low sec: most pirates are great pvp and can win those fights no problem. it's the fact that people are realizing that they can fit cheaper ships and do pretty well. if your only targets in low sec are mission runners with CNRs, you can make a decent living doing this. if suddenly there's packs of 5 t1 fit ruptures jumping around, you'll win the fight most the time, but that loot is barely worth 400k per ship. suddenly the risk/reward starts plummeting away from low-sec pirates.

i expect to see a bunch more whining about high sec wars if there isn't a big population drop out of FW.

MrTheGeoff
Posted - 2008.06.26 21:39:00 - [33]
 

Well as a carebear dipping a toe into FW I would say its the novelty of being able to find a garunteed fight at short notice within a few jumps of my home system.

Ive died a lot but had a deal of fun doing it and am under 3 million out of pocket so far.

Its only a pity I have to use an alt as my main is in an alliance.

I will get bored of sitting around in a huge 90 strong blob soon enough I am sure but for a few nights now and then it is a giggle. Also I am learning a few things that I hopefully can put into practice next time my corp needs security on a low sec mining run.

Mostly I am learning the value of voice comms, scouting and a clear chain of command.

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2008.06.26 21:45:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: MrTheGeoff
Mostly I am learning the value of voice comms, scouting and a clear chain of command.



this is why I said that FW is the best thing for noobs/carebears.

Raymon James
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2008.06.27 06:07:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: MrTheGeoff
Mostly I am learning the value of voice comms, scouting and a clear chain of command.



this is why I said that FW is the best thing for noobs/carebears.


to bad the Amarr did not learn this sooner. Especialy the ones who insist on everyone useing THEIR fleet coms instead of the ones everyone has already.

Joe Starbreaker
M. Corp
Posted - 2008.06.27 16:02:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Amastat
Originally by: Joe Starbreaker
Originally by: Amastat
I've ignored FW because I knew the incentives were going to be worthless and very broken - and I have not heard this has changed.

Define incentives. Thousands of people are doing FW and enjoying it, so I'd say there are ample incentives.

You have to ask what they do to pay for their ship losses then.

As for me I run level 4 missions when I'm not PVPing. Nothing too spectacular there. FW doesn't prevent you from running missions.

Originally by: Amastat
When I say incentives, I'm talking about some means to pay for everything that pops.

That is an incorrect use of the word "incentives". I won't quote the dictionary at you, but I think it is clear that the incentives to participate in FW are pretty unrelated to the practical concerns of how players fund their ship losses.


Originally by: Amastat
As I said, I don't have a second account that is a indy to produce everything I need, and fund all my PvP leisure - and I don't have a alt capable of moving battleships and t2 fleets where I want them out of Jita/Amarr. This is why I'm not playing

Yeah I think you're suffering from a philosophical error here.



Kvaell
Minmatar
Terra Incognita
Vanguard.
Posted - 2008.06.27 16:39:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Faife
the great thing about FW is that it lets people compete in cruisers/frigates and realize that "oh hey, i dont need to be able to go toe to toe against t2 fit battleships in order to have fun in this".

When I went out to 0.0 last august, that was just as true as it is now. Just people not realising how basic game mechanics works.

Tyrantus
Posted - 2008.06.27 16:45:00 - [38]
 

This thread would have been made of epic win if only it had been posted in Crime & Punishment. Be at page 20 by now I'd assume. Twisted Evil

Kelli Flay
Posted - 2008.06.27 17:01:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Amastat
Edited by: Amastat on 26/06/2008 17:55:10
Edited by: Amastat on 26/06/2008 17:50:43
Originally by: Joe Starbreaker
Originally by: Amastat
I've ignored FW because I knew the incentives were going to be worthless and very broken - and I have not heard this has changed.

Define incentives. Thousands of people are doing FW and enjoying it, so I'd say there are ample incentives. If you mean "ISK payouts" then yes, they are low. Not everybody plays EVE to farm ISK. You just keep missioning in Motsu and counting your ISKies, the rest of us will be having fun, ok? Now go back to your Achura cave.


You have to ask what they do to pay for their ship losses then. Chances are they have an alt/alts to ship the items they need, and/or to make the money they need to pay for everything. Either that or they PvP cheap in throwaway ships.

When I say incentives, I'm talking about some means to pay for everything that pops. This may be easy for a cheapass such as yourself who may only pvp in cruisers and frigates, but I have a fondness for using the full array of t2 ships avaliable in EVE.

As I said, I don't have a second account that is a indy to produce everything I need, and fund all my PvP leisure - and I don't have a alt capable of moving battleships and t2 fleets where I want them out of Jita/Amarr. This is why I'm not playing - because theres not enough money with the PvE side of FW to make it affordable for me to use the ships I want - and I'm not a cheapass, so boo-hoo if you don't know what that's like. lol.

Your obvoiusly just a sad little troll - pretty mcuh everyone who has experiencecd FW has commonly agreed that the missions and PvE side of it and the ISK in it is worthless and no one gives a crap about it - everyones just in it for the pew-pew. It's just a matter of who can afford to or not, and who want's to PvP all the time in frigates and cruisers, and who likes to use quality ships.

Why do you think the majority of ships in FW, especially that ones that die, are cheapass cruisers/frigates, and battlecruisers? Not that hard to replace, considering how worthless the pay of FW is - really hard to do anything beyond that really, unless you have ISK alts.

Next time read my entire post, instead of clipping what part you make a failed attempt to flame, 1.5 hours after it was posted. LaughingLaughingLaughing



Nobody cares if you don't participate. A long drawn out confession of your noobness was not necessary tbh.

"Wahhh...I can't make isks off of FW!"


Corstaad
Minmatar
Vardr ok Lidskjalv
Posted - 2008.06.27 17:19:00 - [40]
 

Its amazing once people went to low sec they realized there wasn't the fabled gatecamps at every gate. Its alright for getting people out to low sec but in the end its farming npc's then king of the hill.

oilio
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2008.06.27 17:44:00 - [41]
 

Edited by: oilio on 27/06/2008 17:45:30
edit... wrong topic Razz


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