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Arkanjuca
Caldari
D00M.
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2008.06.26 18:28:00 - [181]
 

Originally by: Grim Mercy
I'm almost ashamed at how blindly I followed the "ideal" that you tried to preach.


lawl, get that as a lesson, when an organization is established around ONE person, and THAT person get glorified all the time, and having a different opinion makes you less liked in the organization... thats a cult.

And sooner or later you regret.

Eltyron
Caldari
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.06.26 19:18:00 - [182]
 

Originally by: Orree

From RAWR's perspective, for any of that to have been "stolen," it would have had to have belonged to BRUCE in the first place. It never did.



Thank you for stepping up and claiming BRUCE as your pets, when they are clearly in denial about being so. Having non BRUCE Moon Mining POS's in BRUCE sovereign space was quite the topic of conversation and source of bitterness, being that BRUCE was adamant that PL having such would deem BRUCE as PL pets. I, for one, am very happy that BRUCE decided to stick with its absentee landlords rather than work something out, with people who were there killing and being killed by them.

Originally by: Orree

That said, RAWR was in the process of passing over all moons (and the one station) we held in Fountain and negotiations were in process for the disposition of the last couple of moons (we never held that many in the first place, certainly not as many as others)RAWR had towers on.

Your characterization of "stolen" moon minerals is therefore inaccurate.



Your 'process' of turning over the moons dragged on for months and months according to BRUCE rep's. Were you obligated to do so? Of course not, MM did, after all, do the majority of the work in taking Fountain. It just seems ironic that that BRUCE continues to delude themselves into thinking they deserved everything that was, for all intensive purposes, given to them on a silver platter.

Like many BRUCIES have said, mistakes were made, it's being man enough to acknowledging and learn from those mistakes that will be the most benefit to you.

dr34dd
Amarr
The Fraternity
CODE RED ALLIANCE
Posted - 2008.06.26 19:22:00 - [183]
 

Edited by: dr34dd on 26/06/2008 19:25:52
Edited by: dr34dd on 26/06/2008 19:23:58
Ofc trying to avoid too much speculation here but considering Friedrick's accusations on serena and the fact she refused to check the audit logs of the cans the fuel was put in on the day it went missing I guess we can now start answering your question of what happened to your 11bil in fuel if Marcus didn't nick it ;-).

Best case scenario atm Elrick got played and only made a fool out of himself on here while causing some bad blood with the people he falsely accused, worst case scenario he's associated with this - great leadership either way mate, keep it up. This is exactly the reason why you want to have solid proof before you start making accusations, I'm looking forward to Friedrick's stance on this.

As it's starting to look less and less likely Marcus actually had anything to do with this the alternative is that you're either a tool or a thief, I'm pegging you as a tool myself personally but that's up for everyone to form their own opinion on the matter.

TroNaaR
Gallente
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2008.06.26 19:27:00 - [184]
 

ITT:

He said she said... This whole issue is moot. Stuff is gone, theives suck, move on and recover.
GL!

Very Happy

Cat Molina
Minmatar
Intransigent
Posted - 2008.06.26 19:28:00 - [185]
 

Originally by: Rajere
Here's a hint, if you don't want me in a thread, don't drop my name repeatedly.


Rumor has it that if you stand in front of your bathroom mirror and say Rajere's name three times in a row he'll appear as if by magic and gank you.

True story... my cousin's best friend's girlfriend said so. Laughing

TroNaaR
Gallente
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2008.06.26 19:47:00 - [186]
 

Originally by: Cat Molina
Originally by: Rajere
Here's a hint, if you don't want me in a thread, don't drop my name repeatedly.


Rumor has it that if you stand in front of your bathroom mirror and say Rajere's name three times in a row he'll appear as if by magic and gank you.

True story... my cousin's best friend's girlfriend said so. Laughing


Thats not funny...

My cousin died that way...

Rajere
Gallente
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
Posted - 2008.06.26 19:56:00 - [187]
 

biggie smalls, biggie smalls....

Megalapteryx Didinus
Caldari
Innocent Victims
Posted - 2008.06.26 20:27:00 - [188]
 

Originally by: Friedrick Psitalon
FOOM has been averaging a 90% efficiency in FacWar.


1. my k/d ratio!

Originally by: Friedrick Psitalon
We also have three people on the verge of Luminaire Generals.


2. no one cares, really i promise they dont.

Originally by: Friedrick Psitalon
The Gallente militia, last I checked, was tops in kills by a long margin and roughly equal with the Caldari in victory points. FOOM has earned 700 kills since the start of FacWar with about 60 active combat pilots.


3. for someone who had a private killboard the entire time you lived in 0.0, why would you brag now that you are in empire about pvp stats, tell me what were your stats like in 0.0, and why the need to hide them?

Originally by: Friedrick Psitalon
In short, we're having the time of our lives - never had more fun, genuinely. :)


4. finally freed from the shackles of POS warfare!

Velociter
Gallente
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2008.06.26 21:10:00 - [189]
 

Originally by: Megalapteryx Didinus
Stuff


Ahh SK Rooster, still so much hate towards BRUCE its fun to see the hate never ends from you :)

Vel

Megalapteryx Didinus
Caldari
Innocent Victims
Posted - 2008.06.26 21:55:00 - [190]
 

Originally by: Velociter
Ahh SK Rooster, still so much hate towards BRUCE its fun to see the hate never ends from you :)

Vel

forums are fun

Grim Mercy
Minmatar
Heretic Logistics
Heretic Nation
Posted - 2008.06.27 00:04:00 - [191]
 

Look, Fried... I don't think you're a traitor. I know you did a lot for the alliance, and that your burn-out was well and truly earned. I do apologize for the venom that is expressing my frustration. However, the manner in which you left (and I say you, because FOOM would not have left without you, nor probably the Shade. crew) stranded everybody else. All of your hard work "building the alliance from the ground up" was completely undone in your last moments.

You've probably heard this old axiom before, so forgive me for having to clean it up for the forums:

"A man can build a thousand bridges, and kiss just one guy... and they're not going to remember him as a bridge-builder."

Your failures are going to be remembered long after your successes. You seem comfortable with running FOOM and doing the FW thing from low sec, and that's cool. But make no mistake, BRUCE folded when you left. You were BRUCE. The fact that you can't seem to connect your departure with the failure cascade is disheartening.

I personally don't have any enmity against you; this is a video game after all. I meant it when I said I hope you're having fun doin' what your doin'. Just man up and admit that the way you ran the alliance assured it's demise when you were no longer at the helm. You could have moved the alliance back to Syndicate, or left the Executor position open free-for-all to see who would have stepped up, or even negotiated peace with someone, but you did none of those things.

You quit. Now you have to deal with it.

Some people think you're a traitor. Some think you're a thief. Some think you're an egocentric gas bag with a messiah complex [uhHmm] <--- you know who I'm talking about there. I don't think you are any of those things. I think you refused to sleep in the bed you made in Fountain, and made about 3000 other people do it instead.

Sorry for high-jacking the thread... this is supposed to be about corp thieves.

Megalapteryx Didinus
Caldari
Innocent Victims
Posted - 2008.06.27 00:56:00 - [192]
 

Originally by: Grim Mercy
the manner in which you left stranded everybody else. All of your hard work "building the alliance from the ground up" was completely undone in your last moments.


Originally by: Grim Mercy
BRUCE folded when you left. You were BRUCE. Just man up and admit that the way you ran the alliance assured it's demise when you were no longer at the helm.

I am going to plagarize DigitalCommunist here, because I think his post in another thread is fitting for this situation. Alliance name changed ofc.

My perception is that you manipulated things on some level, through passive indifference. You took away a unifying force in BRUCE during a period of ideological transition and war.

The people who took over floundered and flopped under the high pressure as anyone could expect. The end became so inevitable they probably wanted you to absolve everything for them; to spare them the shame of admitting it.

If you wanted to save BRUCE, you would've pushed them to a place on the map where they can rebuild, redefine, and retry. You should know more than most people that losing a war and losing space is trivial if everyone maintains a long term vision.

But my guess is you'd rather see BRUCE end than risk seeing someone else take it for good, change it, and be successful. Bruce was always your baby. Nothing wrong with that ofc, if BoB goes down before the game ends, that's how it'll go. You would have sabotaged your idol status by helping them move on for good. It would have marginalized your efforts, and fewer people would look back to the past with tear-eyed nostalgia.

Arkanjuca
Caldari
D00M.
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2008.06.27 01:18:00 - [193]
 

Originally by: Megalapteryx Didinus
Originally by: Grim Mercy
the manner in which you left stranded everybody else. All of your hard work "building the alliance from the ground up" was completely undone in your last moments.


Originally by: Grim Mercy
BRUCE folded when you left. You were BRUCE. Just man up and admit that the way you ran the alliance assured it's demise when you were no longer at the helm.

I am going to plagarize DigitalCommunist here, because I think his post in another thread is fitting for this situation. Alliance name changed ofc.

My perception is that you manipulated things on some level, through passive indifference. You took away a unifying force in BRUCE during a period of ideological transition and war.

The people who took over floundered and flopped under the high pressure as anyone could expect. The end became so inevitable they probably wanted you to absolve everything for them; to spare them the shame of admitting it.

If you wanted to save BRUCE, you would've pushed them to a place on the map where they can rebuild, redefine, and retry. You should know more than most people that losing a war and losing space is trivial if everyone maintains a long term vision.

But my guess is you'd rather see BRUCE end than risk seeing someone else take it for good, change it, and be successful. Bruce was always your baby. Nothing wrong with that ofc, if BoB goes down before the game ends, that's how it'll go. You would have sabotaged your idol status by helping them move on for good. It would have marginalized your efforts, and fewer people would look back to the past with tear-eyed nostalgia.

I know what alliance was that Laughing
What defines the success an alliance will have is the ability to take a step back. Its too easy to win and expand, but taking a step back to later on move foward is not.

evoli rehathe
Gallente
The Graduates
Brutally Clever Empire
Posted - 2008.06.27 01:29:00 - [194]
 

think we got too bloated and greedy, numbers showed that we could field tons of ships, but yeah...

That quote you said grim made my cough up some beer, thanks a lot.

It's a game in the end, **** happens, if we don't learn from the crap mistakes we make or others make, well then there will be more threads to come about the same stuff by folks making the same mistakes. History repeating itself I've heard we went down the same way other alliances have, could we have prevented it? Guess we'll never know.




Wusti
Caldari
The New Era
C0NVICTED
Posted - 2008.06.27 03:54:00 - [195]
 

I used to love BRUCE threads - but now I'm bored... time to move along

Glad to see Freid is still an arrogant SOB - he can now join the ranks of Death, Taxes and Nurses in this regard.

Kindra Blades
Caldari
Cybernetic Innovations
Posted - 2008.06.27 04:30:00 - [196]
 

Glad to see FOOM is thriving Fried. You know the truth, BRUCE knows the truth, the spinsters know the real truth. You did so much for BRUCE and glad to see you are still rocking. Who cares what those guys say, they had access to the forums, yet won't break out with the full story. Rock on bro and fly safe!

Spifflonius
Gallente
BoB Enterprises
Veni Vidi Vici Alliance
Posted - 2008.06.27 04:31:00 - [197]
 

o/ Wusti

miss fighting you guys. Take it easy mate :)

p.s. posting as an ex bruce in a bruce thread cause i did not want to feel left out.

Sorrowed
Gallente
Shade.
Cry Havoc.
Posted - 2008.06.27 06:38:00 - [198]
 

Just wanted to pop in and make a point of fact here. Shade members did not leave as a result of FOOM leaving. Nor did they leave as a result of PL being there. Shade was not even a member corp of Bruce. Shade was the original Tac Ops group of bruce. We had our own locked vent for security, private forums. The shade group were made up of the top killers spread across multiple corps including FOOM, Tgrads, HIP, Trada, HOMI, BHDL, and others. This was the advanced crew that took part in missions that took down OSS in syndicate and reckoning in CR. The core group made up 24 of the top 30 killers in the alliance representive of 50% of the total kills on the alliance KB.

Jester and other members had been discussing forming this corp prior to FOOMs departure as a member corp of bruce. When FOOM left we used this time to form the new corp as we were expecting members from foom that would be staying with the alliance and the new corp.

We approached Serene at that time about getting entrance into the alliance and we were told that we would have to "wait in line and go through the same exceptance criteria as any other newly apllying corp"

For all those of you who think your top pvpers left you, you are mistaken. Taking that as an insult we no longer planned to mettle in bruces affairs. As mush as we are friends with FOOM and respect them, they had little to nothing to do with us leaving, rather the new management decided we were not welcome. Foom's departure was handled the best way that they could at the time. They took nothing, and infact left much more than any other departing group did. I feel that they represented class in how they handled themselves in such a tough time.

The Ubernomicon
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2008.06.27 07:19:00 - [199]
 

I love that Fried continues to claim that Kug edited the forum posts. Yet, Fried still refuses to present "unedited" version. I wonder why?

Fried views BRUCE and the eve community the same as he views his real life students. He believes he can go around making unsupported claims that we HAVE to swallow.

I have respect for you Fried, but you should have stepped up and taken control of BRUCE. Picking up your ball and going home was the wrong move. To make matters worse you passed the reigns to Serena, who told everyone to evac and practically vanished.

dr34dd
Amarr
The Fraternity
CODE RED ALLIANCE
Posted - 2008.06.27 13:39:00 - [200]
 

Elrick to respond to your mail ingame:

Yeah your doing alot of defending of marcus there,, why doesnt he speak for himself?

Wheres the screenshot of his completed and accepted contract to serena for the fuel then huh?

ass,,,,


Mind you, unlike Elrick I don't like bringing private conversation into the public area but as he's blocked me/my corp from ingame mails right after he send this it seemed the logical way to reply.

Marcus doesn't speak for himself because he cba defending himself on COAD anymore, I like COAD and like making a fool out of those that accuse us falsely because I believe that defending yourself does have a use.

It's kind of silly to ask of a screenshot for his completed and accepted contract to serena considering we just came to the conclusion on the previous page that screenshots can be faked so easily. Marcus cba with any of this anymore so he won't send anything (I doubt he's even reading this) but that doesn't mean he can't send you this screenshot, thing is even if he did it wouldn't prove anything considering they can be faked so easily (and I for one got the photoshop skills to do it if we wanted to cheat you on this in the same way your CEO ****ed you over).

IHaveTenInches
Caldari
Guns at your Starbase
Posted - 2008.06.28 05:53:00 - [201]
 

Originally by: Elrick Coldsmith


These items are ALSO now for sale in Fountain sold by the alt char "9 inches". Most of the battleships were listed below insurance payout and have thus been purchased and destroyed for insurance fraud.




That's my alt. Seriously.

Steph Wing
Gallente
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2008.06.28 08:37:00 - [202]
 

Edited by: Steph Wing on 28/06/2008 08:41:34
o_O

Kindra Blades
Caldari
Cybernetic Innovations
Posted - 2008.06.28 12:25:00 - [203]
 

Originally by: The Ubernomicon
I love that Fried continues to claim that Kug edited the forum posts. Yet, Fried still refuses to present "unedited" version. I wonder why?

There is no need to, what would the truth serve on CAOD?

Fried views BRUCE and the eve community the same as he views his real life students. He believes he can go around making unsupported claims that we HAVE to swallow.

Much like goon claims?

I have respect for you Fried, but you should have stepped up and taken control of BRUCE. Picking up your ball and going home was the wrong move. To make matters worse you passed the reigns to Serena, who told everyone to evac and practically vanished.

Serena was voted in by the BRUCE council, not installed by Fried, FYI


O'Ran
Caldari
The Reformed
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2008.06.28 14:15:00 - [204]
 

honestly,
its sad to see BRUCE end this way. Since the experience and journey to get to this point was probably the most fun ive ever had, and im sure thats the same for many other people.
Regardless of all the BS flying around (mainly the silly blame game) - i had great time. Thanks for giving me some amazing months in eve :)

I think that BRUCES should stop and think, ignore the last terrible months - and walk away with the good times!

/end happy-naive-hippy-bubbly statement Wink


Lrrp
Minmatar
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2008.06.28 15:19:00 - [205]
 

So Fried is bragging how a well organised corp gets set up in FW and brags about killing how many noobs? Kinda like BoB bragging about all their kills if they war dec'd Eve Uni. Amazing.

xRevolveRx
Amarr
Masters of Mayhem
Posted - 2008.06.28 19:22:00 - [206]
 

Elrick Coldsmith: 2008-06-26 05:54:58

While bruce is still in existence please follow the BRUCE ROE.

Lets try to not turn pirate for a few more days yet eh?


________________________


Goodbye BRUCE. Even though the leadership abandoned the alliance members who fought to protect the high value assets of a select few, it sounds like you guys still had fun with the pew pew. May your final days be pleasant.

Frances Ducoir
Gallente
Koshaku
Dark Syndicate.
Posted - 2008.06.28 20:08:00 - [207]
 

Edited by: Frances Ducoir on 28/06/2008 22:50:02
IMO Fried (or whoever from the old leadership, who had the brilliant idea to spread out over all of fountain) killed bruce whit their greed for fountain.

we didnt need pnqy and we didnt need y2. u-s & 7bx were more than enough and much easier to defend.
spreading out over all of fountain was the error which killed bruce.

lets face it: bruce's strenght wasnt good tactics, it was sheer manpower and quick reaction time, which is quite a good thing to defend 2 constellations, but not a whole region.

the leaving of foom had nothing to do with the downfall of bruce, the mistakes were made much earlier.

farewell bruce.


Ab Tallen
Minmatar
The Alphabet Soup
Posted - 2008.06.28 21:00:00 - [208]
 

I guess this thread is as good as any
(on CAOD)
to say goodbye to BRUCE.
A great alliance
that lived on the dedication of it's founders,
and in the end
couldn't survive on it's own.

To everyone involved, thank you.
Good luck, wherever you may go.

thightickler
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
Posted - 2008.06.29 08:29:00 - [209]
 

FOOM was like the kid that was there when his friend got in a fight with some other guys, you left when it looked like things might get tough for you. Later word is your "friend" got the **** kicked out of him, becuase you left him alone to play the part and now he's gone, disappeared without any trails he ever existed. Be proud FOOM you did so much, and I'm sure your name will live on longer than BRUCES.

The Ubernomicon
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2008.06.30 04:30:00 - [210]
 

Originally by: Kindra Blades
Originally by: The Ubernomicon
I love that Fried continues to claim that Kug edited the forum posts. Yet, Fried still refuses to present "unedited" version. I wonder why?

There is no need to, what would the truth serve on CAOD?

Fried views BRUCE and the eve community the same as he views his real life students. He believes he can go around making unsupported claims that we HAVE to swallow.

Much like goon claims?

I have respect for you Fried, but you should have stepped up and taken control of BRUCE. Picking up your ball and going home was the wrong move. To make matters worse you passed the reigns to Serena, who told everyone to evac and practically vanished.

Serena was voted in by the BRUCE council, not installed by Fried, FYI




If Fried at least presented the "unedited" posts the people of CAOD would be able to decide the truth for themselves. Instead, we only get Kug's version. I wonder who I am going to believe? On one side we have a guy that brought to light T20's less then honorable actions. On the other we have a guy that left his alliance and friends to the wolves. I think I am going to side with the guy that has been leaking verified intel for over a year.


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