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Posted - 2008.06.23 15:18:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: CCP Abraxas on 23/06/2008 15:43:49
Here's the first in a limited series of weekly chronicles looking at the powers that be in EVE. The Minmatar need a leader, and someone worthy will have to step up to the plate.

This chronicle was written by Gauti (CCP Gnauton) Friðriksson.

Tobin Shalim
Eclipse Industrials
Quantum Forge
Posted - 2008.06.23 15:42:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Tobin Shalim on 23/06/2008 15:42:09
First! Very Happy

I like how we're seeing that the Minmatar, even though they all hate the Amarr, still have their own political divisions and problems that arise. Much like all the other Empires do.

Elsebeth Rhiannon
Minmatar
Gradient
Electus Matari
Posted - 2008.06.23 16:52:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 23/06/2008 17:27:04

First: awesome! Thank you very much! I loved the style of that. I like especially how it makes Shakor more human and one of the "needed to be done" crowd rather than a straight-forward hero. I also like how it shows that the conflict between Midular and Shakor is not personal, but more due to circumstances, and regretted (probably by both).

I feel that kind of dark necessities mood fits the EVE storylines very well. Well done. Almost makes me wish I was a Shakor supporter after all. Wink

Then:

Quote:
But you dealt with the Elders, sir.

Could you please please please please stop referring to "the Elders" in the news and stories as if they were general knowledge in the world, without telling anything about them to the players? It makes RP pretty much impossible (or in any case much shallower and mostly about dramatic posing in someone else's story rather than actual participation) if something of that magnitude is a fact of life in the world, but we as players do not know about it. We need something that tells who the hell those Elder-people are, or, more importantly, what the people in general (those guys celebrating on the streets) and so also many of our characters think they are. It is driving me insane currently. Crying or Very sad


Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
Posted - 2008.06.23 17:57:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
It is driving me insane currently. Crying or Very sad

It's only driving you insane because the story evolved in a direction you weren't expecting, having acclimated yourself to existing lore like an obsessive trekkie. Events change. Get used to it and quit complaining, jesus. Adapt already.

Sapphrine
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2008.06.23 17:58:00 - [5]
 

elsebeth, i think theodicy covers the information on the Elders fairly well. I'm aware you don't really like that back story but it is really quite developed and also the foundation for the novel it seems so perhaps another glance might yield a bit more of an understanding?

as for an IC pov, they're the stuff of legend (a number killed on DOD) and we've never seen one alive but we've suddenly heard tell of their existence. Sapphrine always hoped for a resurgence of the old more tribal traditions so is happy with this. A more dedicated servant to the republics government could be torn between abject disbelief that such beings still exist or a simple gratitude that so many had been saved but a wariness of the unknown especially as it came at the cost of the government system you've supported.

I can see a number of ways that this can be played from all sorts of angles and I think if you get past your initial unease at how the PF has moved you can also.

Arkady Sadik
Minmatar
Electus Matari
Posted - 2008.06.23 18:27:00 - [6]
 

Guys, did you actually read what Elsebeth wrote there?

We are (mostly) happy with the story as it is now. You can stop arguing for it.

The question posed was what do we, our characters, know about "the Elders" - what we know, including what we know from Theodicy, is not enough to make us go out on the streets and celebrate the return of the Elders. Sure, we can make up our own ideas on what it might mean that "The Elders Have Returned", but it's a bit annoying to make up your own stories and be contradicted later by CCP, when it's about stuff that's supposedly "well-known" ...

Elsebeth Rhiannon
Minmatar
Gradient
Electus Matari
Posted - 2008.06.23 18:27:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 23/06/2008 18:32:32

Istvaan, Sapphrine, you are missing my point. I would love to play this and I actually started a bit on the IGS already.

The point is NOT that the backstory evolved to a direction I do not like. It did, some, though not as badly as it initially looked like, but that's not the point here. The point is that I do not know where it evolved to.

If you could answer the following questions, that would help me to begin:

Originally by: Sapphrine
as for an IC pov, they're the stuff of legend

What do the legends tell of them?

Quote:
we've suddenly heard tell of their existence

What have we heard tell about that?

Quote:
torn between abject disbelief that such beings

What kind of beings are they that I would disbelieve in, according to the legends and/or current information, if I tool this route?

Quote:
I can see a number of ways that this can be played from all sorts of angles

I can too. The problem is not there are not ways to play this. The problem is not that I do not know what the truth is. The problem is I do not know what my character would know. The information on "the Elders" is very, very undetailed, even worse than what we know about how the Republic's government works.

If I am mistaken and just simply have missed some info or don't remember it from Theodicy, kindly point me to it. I tried looking for it, but failed. :(

EDITed to add: What Arkady said. The point is that I do not want to make up stuff that is "generally known" in the game world, because CCP has the final word on that, and I think they already have it planned, and I do not want to end up having contradicted it where my character would have not.


Elsebeth Rhiannon
Minmatar
Gradient
Electus Matari
Posted - 2008.06.23 19:02:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 23/06/2008 19:16:17

Arkady Sadik
Minmatar
Electus Matari
Posted - 2008.06.23 19:04:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Arkady Sadik on 23/06/2008 19:33:48
Ok, a compilation of useful facts from Theodicy:

Originally by: Theodicy, p81
the Elders were on the brink of uniting all of the tribes into one Republic.


Originally by: Theodicy, p103
“According to Viola, the Elders are literally the wisest members of the seven tribes,” Baer continued. “They allegedly possess intimate knowledge of every other tribe including their own. But their existence is officially denied by the Minmatars. Instead, they’re treated as legends, like mythical beings, all for the singular purpose of keeping their real identities secret.”


Originally by: Theodicy, p149
“You also need to know that the Elders taken to Diemnon are dead, and that a Minmatar Republic consisting of all seven united tribes will be impossible. [...]”


Especially the second quote. Theodicy had more in it than I remembered. I guess I can play starting from that, at least somewhat.

Edited to add: In the last quote, "the Elders taken to Diemnon" refers to the Elders of the Thukker, Starkmanir, and Nefantar tribes; the three of the four tribes that were not in the Republic.

Elsebeth Rhiannon
Minmatar
Gradient
Electus Matari
Posted - 2008.06.23 19:18:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 23/06/2008 19:39:06

There we go, thanks, Kady. I have read Theodicy too, but apparently had forgotten some "minor" facts such as the definition of an Elder with capital E.

(Offtopic discussion on the elders moved to this thread instead)

Back on topic: Does anyone but me like the way how that chronicle pictured Shakor? Any disagreements / surprises on the picture by the folks whose hero Shakor has actually been in the past?

(EDITED one final time to add: reread the chronicle. It is awesome.)

Scagga Laebetrovo
Failure Assured
Posted - 2008.06.23 22:55:00 - [11]
 

Can't wait to read the follow-ups.

Originally by: Tobin Shalim

I like how we're seeing that the Minmatar, even though they all hate the Amarr, still have their own political divisions and problems that arise. Much like all the other Empires do.


Not all minmatar hate amarr old chap Wink

Daelin Blackleaf
White Rose Society
Posted - 2008.06.23 23:14:00 - [12]
 

Elders

Happy now?

Zex Maxwell
Caldari
Posted - 2008.06.24 07:23:00 - [13]
 

whats this? CCP Abraxas did not write this. one sec
/me looks out the window
no the sky is not falling. since when other people did your work?

Elsebeth Rhiannon
Minmatar
Gradient
Electus Matari
Posted - 2008.06.24 12:04:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf
Elders

Happy now?

Yes, much happy, thank you. Of course I would still be happier if the exposition had been done properly by CCP to begin with but it is much, much better now, and most importantly, it just became playable for me with the Theodicy and that info combined. :)



Sapphrine
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2008.06.24 12:23:00 - [15]
 

somewhat after the fact but yeah, what i would have said is to re-read theodicy as it has the main things you asked for but Arkady beat me to it and linked the quotes which i vaguely remembered from reading but not so much that i could retell it from memory!

On point again, i like the additional insight into Shakor. Still need to get a book and read it but these extra snippets will help alot imho.

Elsebeth Rhiannon
Minmatar
Gradient
Electus Matari
Posted - 2008.06.24 12:31:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Sapphrine
somewhat after the fact but yeah, what i would have said is to re-read theodicy

I actually tried but the darn thing is 160 some pages long and I just did not have the time to read it all and scanning it I missed the one crucial paragraph. Embarassed Given that even people who liked Theodicy and knew the info was there were unable to actually give it supports my idea that the exposition on the whole Elder thing could have really been done better. Unless of course it was to promote TonyG, in which case I hope he's paying CCP and not the other way round. Twisted Evil

Aaaand back on topic, I agree, these extra snippets help a lot. I am really looking forward to the other four. (Moar nao!)

Daelin Blackleaf
White Rose Society
Posted - 2008.06.24 14:09:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
Moar nao!


I second this motion. Must haev Jamyl Sarum Chron.

Titanzomg
Posted - 2008.06.24 22:20:00 - [18]
 

I... didn't get this:

""He wants you to know that every single one of them would have willingly chosen their fate, had they known the stakes.""

Kyoko Sakoda
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2008.06.25 05:18:00 - [19]
 

Excellent story.

Jonathan Mcarthur
Caldari
Stargazer Exploration Company
Sundiver Technology Diversified
Posted - 2008.06.26 00:38:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Titanzomg
I... didn't get this:

""He wants you to know that every single one of them would have willingly chosen their fate, had they known the stakes.""


I can only infer he meant that the people who the person is speaking for are now deceased and they would have been still willing to give up there lives for the cause, fate or whatever event that has happened to them for however high the stakes or how low the chances of success were.

Mhaerdirne Solveig
Minmatar
Posted - 2008.06.26 22:36:00 - [21]
 

dang, I'd read that empyrean age book but it is hella expensive

Kaylana Syi
Minmatar
Coreli Corporation
Naraka.
Posted - 2008.06.27 16:47:00 - [22]
 

Was really, really good. Would like to see the Amarr short now ;)

Jonathan Mcarthur
Caldari
Stargazer Exploration Company
Sundiver Technology Diversified
Posted - 2008.06.27 17:18:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Mhaerdirne Solveig
dang, I'd read that empyrean age book but it is hella expensive


It's only like 19 USD? That's pretty cheap.

Ket Halpak
ANZAC ACADEMY
Posted - 2008.06.29 09:48:00 - [24]
 

Nicely done, its good to see the minnie government has its own share of internal troubles.

sw0358
Caldari
Red Dwarf Mining Corporation
space weaponry and trade
Posted - 2008.07.01 20:22:00 - [25]
 

Quote:
Returning one day from the hunt, Shakor and his men were ambushed by the Amarr Royal Guard - universally regarded as the best fighting unit around. A fierce battle ensued. Shakor’s men quickly formed a Spiral, the Royal Guard responded by forming an Arrow formation, designed to counter the Spiral. Despite their experience, Shakor’s men panicked once their casualties began mounting and tried to retreat. They were hunted down and slaughtered to the last man by the Royal Guard.

That's what happened to the men in that battlegroup then.

Calvin Okone
Gallente
TransNet Inc.
Posted - 2008.07.02 11:48:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: Calvin Okone on 02/07/2008 14:19:09
A tired war weary politician picks up the mantle once again. I like it.

BRUCELLA 2
Gallente
Barricade.
Posted - 2008.07.14 11:38:00 - [27]
 

An attempt of translation in French of this chronicle -> EVE News Center


 

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