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Natasha Donnan
Caldari
Capital Construction Research
Pioneer Alliance
Posted - 2008.06.17 22:10:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Natasha Donnan on 17/06/2008 22:31:46
CCP for the love of all that is hairy and non-hairy do something about factional standings.

There are just no real ways to adjust corporation standings. We are high Caldari Pre patch what if we want to go Gallente - we are completely stuck... Why do this to us?

It costs a fortune in tags but most of all there seems to be no way to change standings other than to grind level 4's.

You said the player would be in command of FW and yet we have several corps struggling to take part. If I have got this wrong someone let us know how to change standings - we want to move to Gallente but it is nigh on impossible. The game makes changing to the faction you want impractical.

Links to how to sort this out would very much be appreciated.

Kyusoath Orillian
Haters Gonna Hate
Posted - 2008.06.17 22:25:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Kyusoath Orillian on 17/06/2008 22:34:27
reread. something about factional warfare , changing from one faction to another and tags. yet you are in an alliance.




wat.

Natasha Donnan
Caldari
Capital Construction Research
Pioneer Alliance
Posted - 2008.06.17 22:27:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Kyusoath Orillian
wat


stop read again then post... kkthanx

Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2008.06.17 22:31:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Patch86 on 17/06/2008 22:31:54
Well, you're only supposed to join a faction you've shown loyalty and dedication to. If you had been loyal and dedicated to the faction you want to join, you'd already have some standings...

If you want to join up a corp, I see no reason why you couldn't play the system a little. If you want to join Caldari, have everyone who doesn't have the required standings to Caldari quit corp for a few days. Sign up your corp (which now has ample standings), and then let the rest of the members rejoin. AFAIK, the militia won't kick you out even if your standings drop back below the required rate.

cal nereus
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2008.06.17 22:33:00 - [5]
 

Well, you did you mention you were heavy Caldari pre-patch. Maybe that's why? I don't think the Gallente militia would appreciate a bunch of Caldari-only mission runners trying to join their military operation right off the bat. First you gotta prove yourself to be loyal to the Federation, then you can join: either by grinding missions with the Gallente together or by spending lots of isk.

Courier missions are probably the fastest standings grind, and I'm pretty sure that one level 4 storyline courier was enough to improve my standings by over 0.5 to a single faction. Speaking of which, I have over 0.5 "natural" standings to three of the four factions, so I'm a bit confused with why it's so difficult to get 'em that high for others. Is it just 'cause you only did missions for one faction? Over the last year, I've made sure to do missions with all of 'em (except Minmatar). Plus, I did the noob missions for other noob corps when I could. The standings gained from the noob missions are permanent, AFAIK.

Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2008.06.17 22:39:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: cal nereus
Well, you did you mention you were heavy Caldari pre-patch. Maybe that's why? I don't think the Gallente militia would appreciate a bunch of Caldari-only mission runners trying to join their military operation right off the bat. First you gotta prove yourself to be loyal to the Federation, then you can join: either by grinding missions with the Gallente together or by spending lots of isk.

Courier missions are probably the fastest standings grind, and I'm pretty sure that one level 4 storyline courier was enough to improve my standings by over 0.5 to a single faction. Speaking of which, I have over 0.5 "natural" standings to three of the four factions, so I'm a bit confused with why it's so difficult to get 'em that high for others. Is it just 'cause you only did missions for one faction? Over the last year, I've made sure to do missions with all of 'em (except Minmatar). Plus, I did the noob missions for other noob corps when I could. The standings gained from the noob missions are permanent, AFAIK.


Well, AFAIK you lose standings for killing ships belonging to a faction. All factions give missions where you're expected to kill rival Navy ships which, if you complete them, will lower your standings. I've only ever done missions for Gallente, and I believe I have slightly negative Caldari standings, with pretty poor Amarr standings. If my corp wanted to join Caldari, I'd be dragging down their average standings.

Natasha Donnan
Caldari
Capital Construction Research
Pioneer Alliance
Posted - 2008.06.17 22:40:00 - [7]
 

So we were caldari pre-patch why should it be impossible to change post patch???

Neth'Rae
Gallente
State Protectorate
Posted - 2008.06.17 22:43:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Natasha Donnan
So we were caldari pre-patch why should it be impossible to change post patch???


Who said it's impossible? It's just very hard and tedious..

Del Narveux
Dukes of Hazard
Posted - 2008.06.17 22:46:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Patch86
Edited by: Patch86 on 17/06/2008 22:31:54
Well, you're only supposed to join a faction you've shown loyalty and dedication to. If you had been loyal and dedicated to the faction you want to join, you'd already have some standings...


What about all the people who wound up with bad standing with their faction of choice due to faction standings not having much significance until now? Thats the real problem here, once you dip below -2 youre sort of screwed.

Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2008.06.17 22:55:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Del Narveux
Originally by: Patch86
Edited by: Patch86 on 17/06/2008 22:31:54
Well, you're only supposed to join a faction you've shown loyalty and dedication to. If you had been loyal and dedicated to the faction you want to join, you'd already have some standings...


What about all the people who wound up with bad standing with their faction of choice due to faction standings not having much significance until now? Thats the real problem here, once you dip below -2 youre sort of screwed.


Well, then they'll have to grind their way up the old fashioned way. I believe blowing up Navy ships gives you a standing boost with the appropriate rival faction, so I bet grinding away through some of those (and I do believe that the Caldari Navy, seeing as the OP wants to be Gallente, has a handy respawning group sat in orbit around Caldari Prime) might be able to pull you up the level required to run missions again.

Natasha Donnan
Caldari
Capital Construction Research
Pioneer Alliance
Posted - 2008.06.17 22:56:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Del Narveux
Originally by: Patch86
Edited by: Patch86 on 17/06/2008 22:31:54
Well, you're only supposed to join a faction you've shown loyalty and dedication to. If you had been loyal and dedicated to the faction you want to join, you'd already have some standings...


What about all the people who wound up with bad standing with their faction of choice due to faction standings not having much significance until now? Thats the real problem here, once you dip below -2 youre sort of screwed.


thats exactly my point - its an immediate change and there are a lot of corps and people left with no way to adjust. We have an impossible grind and no way to change things. Just try change your plus Caldari to Gallente and you will see the game leave no options for this.

It seems really just wrong that we would be left to grind and pay massive amounts of isk to change things.

Natasha Donnan
Caldari
Capital Construction Research
Pioneer Alliance
Posted - 2008.06.17 23:03:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Natasha Donnan on 17/06/2008 23:03:44
Just spent a whole night trying to adjust standings after spending a lot of isk on Tags. I got no adjustment at all tonight. I ran level 4's for 5 hours. Thats no change to my personal standing and we have up on 10 members who would like to change things....

How the hell is a corp our size supposed to adjust their standings to join a faction they 'want' to join?

Will check this thread for responses before deciding what to do.

PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik
Gallente
The Night Crew
Posted - 2008.06.17 23:03:00 - [13]
 

you could always join a gallente holding corp and transfer everything over to that corp. Basically Kaminjosvig mk2 or something. You can either hire high gallente standings, join the militia with high faction standing and than get everyone from Kaminjosvig to join after you are in the faction.


Individual players might find that they may have trouble with npc fleets in the plexes but it shouldnt take too long to get standings with the militia at least, which should eventually move your faction standing up (if you run the FW missions as a group)

Little Matt
Caldari
New Fnord Industries
Posted - 2008.06.17 23:03:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Patch86

AFAIK, the militia won't kick you out even if your standings drop back below the required rate.


They do. If your standings drop below the required level, you have 36 hours to improve them again or you are booted from the militia.
We had a rather unfortunate incident involving ECM burts (don't ask) in a fleet op (yeah, he was that stupid) which resulted in quite a few faction standings hits.

Yeah, this is my main, not my militia alt.

Natasha Donnan
Caldari
Capital Construction Research
Pioneer Alliance
Posted - 2008.06.17 23:05:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik
you could always join a gallente holding corp and transfer everything over to that corp. Basically Kaminjosvig mk2 or something. You can either hire high gallente standings, join the militia with high faction standing and than get everyone from Kaminjosvig to join after you are in the faction.


Individual players might find that they may have trouble with npc fleets in the plexes but it shouldnt take too long to get standings with the militia at least, which should eventually move your faction standing up (if you run the FW missions as a group)


we would get booted even if we tried to adjust things.

Katashi Ishizuka
Caldari
Tritanium Workers Union
Posted - 2008.06.17 23:06:00 - [16]
 

/signed.

But join Amarr, seriously, instead of Gallente.

Originally by: Natasha Donnan
Edited by: Natasha Donnan on 17/06/2008 22:31:46
CCP for the love of all that is hairy and non-hairy do something about factional standings.

There are just no real ways to adjust corporation standings. We are high Caldari Pre patch what if we want to go Gallente - we are completely stuck... Why do this to us?

It costs a fortune in tags but most of all there seems to be no way to change standings other than to grind level 4's.

You said the player would be in command of FW and yet we have several corps struggling to take part. If I have got this wrong someone let us know how to change standings - we want to move to Gallente but it is nigh on impossible. The game makes changing to the faction you want impractical.

Links to how to sort this out would very much be appreciated.

RigelKentaurus
Flying Tartiflette
Caldari Deep Space Industral
Posted - 2008.06.17 23:07:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Natasha Donnan
Just try change your plus Caldari to Gallente and you will see the game leave no options for this.


SOE ?

Matalino
Posted - 2008.06.17 23:09:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Patch86
I believe blowing up Navy ships gives you a standing boost with the appropriate rival faction
It does not. Killing stuff and failing missions will decrease your standings, but there are no derived increases.
Originally by: Natasha Donnan
Just spent a whole night trying to adjust standings after spending a lot of isk on Tags. I got no adjustment at all tonight. I ran level 4's for 5 hours.
It doesn't matter how many hours you spend. What matters is the number of storyline missions you complete.

Spending hours grinding through combat missions is a great way to make ISK, but a crappy way to earn faction standings.

You are better off spending your time doing courier missions, as it is the quantity not quality of missions that will get you the storyline missions.

Only storyline and COSMOS missions will increase your faction standings. Atleast until you can get into the militia and start earning some ranks.

Guillame Herschel
Gallente
NME1
Posted - 2008.06.17 23:10:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Natasha Donnan
thats exactly my point - its an immediate change and there are a lot of corps and people left with no way to adjust.


No way? None? Really? You couldn't decide to just run FW for the faction you already have standings for? Your mind is made up, it is fixed in stone? Is that what you mean?

Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2008.06.17 23:11:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Matalino
Originally by: Patch86
I believe blowing up Navy ships gives you a standing boost with the appropriate rival faction
It does not. Killing stuff and failing missions will decrease your standings, but there are no derived increases.


Harsh. Looks like I'm just full of misinformation this evening, huh.

It really should, incidentally. Something maybe CCP should look in to. Killing a butt load of Caldari Navy should make the Gallente just a teeny bit grateful...

Matalino
Posted - 2008.06.17 23:15:00 - [21]
 

Edited by: Matalino on 17/06/2008 23:23:56
Originally by: Patch86
Harsh. Looks like I'm just full of misinformation this evening, huh.

It really should, incidentally. Something maybe CCP should look in to. Killing a butt load of Caldari Navy should make the Gallente just a teeny bit grateful...
They did look into it.

You kill far too many rats: derived increases would make it far too easy to build faction standings.

The change to derived standings from mission failures was done to plug an exploit: previously the easiest way to get your faction standings up was to train up Diplomacy, then run around failing missions for the opposing faction.

That exploit was created with this patch, then fixed with this one.

PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik
Gallente
The Night Crew
Posted - 2008.06.17 23:15:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Natasha Donnan
Originally by: PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik
you could always join a gallente holding corp and transfer everything over to that corp. Basically Kaminjosvig mk2 or something. You can either hire high gallente standings, join the militia with high faction standing and than get everyone from Kaminjosvig to join after you are in the faction.


Individual players might find that they may have trouble with npc fleets in the plexes but it shouldnt take too long to get standings with the militia at least, which should eventually move your faction standing up (if you run the FW missions as a group)


we would get booted even if we tried to adjust things.


Unlucky than I guess.

Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2008.06.17 23:20:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Matalino

You kill far too many rats: derived increases would make it far too easy to build faction standings.


Sure, but not many of them are Navy ships. Aside from the odd mission, you never really killed any Navy ships at all before FW was launched. As long as you make sure the majority of rats (pirates and rogue drones) don't give a faction increase with anyone other than CONCORD (which of course they do atm, in terms of the pseudo-standings security status), I don't see a huge problem with it.

Methesda
Posted - 2008.06.17 23:23:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: Methesda on 17/06/2008 23:23:24
Natasha, I was having similar problems...

Doing ordinary agent missions does not change your factional standing (usually). The big factional changes are STORYLINE missions.

You get one of these every 16 or so missions (they are the ones you get mail from agents about). Don't do level 4s. Pull down about 10 level 1's per hour, and you be in the happy place very soon.

:-)

Jmanis Catharg
Caldari
Dusk Blade Logisitcals
Posted - 2008.06.17 23:24:00 - [25]
 

I've never understood this infernal need to faction-hop. Or do you really think BoB and Goonswarm would let someone hop between their alliances constantly?

Methesda
Posted - 2008.06.17 23:28:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Jmanis Catharg
I've never understood this infernal need to faction-hop. Or do you really think BoB and Goonswarm would let someone hop between their alliances constantly?


Who said anything about faction hopping?

Are you ok in the head?

  • OP wants to join her race faction.
    Does not have standings.
    Secretly would like to know how to change the situation.
    Did not mention faction hopping.

Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2008.06.17 23:31:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Methesda
Originally by: Jmanis Catharg
I've never understood this infernal need to faction-hop. Or do you really think BoB and Goonswarm would let someone hop between their alliances constantly?


Who said anything about faction hopping?

Are you ok in the head?

  • OP wants to join her race faction.
    Does not have standings.
    Secretly would like to know how to change the situation.
    Did not mention faction hopping.



OP is a Caldari from a "high Caldari pre patch" corp. The OP and her corp now want to be Gallente instead.

Thats kinda faction hopping.

Jmanis Catharg
Caldari
Dusk Blade Logisitcals
Posted - 2008.06.17 23:32:00 - [28]
 

Quote:
Who said anything about faction hopping?

Are you ok in the head?


I drew a parallel between NPC factions and PC alliances. Reading 101 mate.

Quote:
OP wants to join her race faction.
Does not have standings.

OP should've thought about that when fighting for the opposing faction.

Quote:

Secretly would like to know how to change the situation.
Did not mention faction hopping.

Quote:
We are high Caldari Pre patch what if we want to go Gallente - we are completely stuck... Why do this to us?


High Caldari wanting to go High gallente = Faction hopping.

Go away,,, please???

Breyguhn F'lorn
Kaminjosvig
Posted - 2008.06.17 23:51:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Jmanis Catharg
I drew a parallel between NPC factions and PC alliances. Reading 101 mate.


& PC alliances have exactly what to do with this situation?

Originally by: Jmanis Catharg
OP should've thought about that when fighting for the opposing faction.


Because pre-FW he should have been prescient enough to know that grinding missions as an ISK sideline with agents that happened to be around his HQ would one day be detrimental to his sanity. The fact that he (& most of the corp) missioned around Jita as that's where the corp HQ was (purely for market access when not on contract) now means that his FW experience is one of grinding away for ever & a day. When the corp actually started missioning FW was a gleam in somebodys eye, but it certainly wasn't live & how was any of them to know?

Originally by: Jmanis Catharg
High Caldari wanting to go High gallente = Faction hopping.


No it's not, we've not fought for the Caldari yet so how can we hop. We've blown up a fair few Caldari ships along our mercenary way though. This is a moot point unless the corp had already joined the FW on the Caldari side & wanted to swap over after not getting on with it or whatever - this is not the case.

Jmanis Catharg
Caldari
Dusk Blade Logisitcals
Posted - 2008.06.18 00:12:00 - [30]
 

Quote:

There are just no real ways to adjust corporation standings. We are high Caldari Pre patch what if we want to go Gallente - we are completely stuck... Why do this to us?

Quote:
we've not fought for the Caldari yet so how can we hop.


Care to sort out these two contradictions for me? High caldari standing means you did a fair whack of stuff to impress them. Be it running mish, popping nothing but Guristas rats etc..
But surely you realised that running missions for caldari meant that you favoured them? Regardless of any future plans existing or not?

But there's one solution for you here. Disband and join a corp already fighting for Gallente.


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