Posted - 2008.06.16 00:47:00 - [3]

 

yep, good idea, support logistics!

Posted - 2008.06.16 05:56:00 - [5]

 

i have some doubts if this is doable,but it would definitely be nice towards the hard-working logistic pilots that keep us alive

Posted - 2008.06.20 19:19:00 - [7]

 

/signed

Posted - 2008.06.22 19:36:00 - [9]

 

If you repair (or otherwise aid) someone you should be added to the list of recent 'damage dealers' for each ship which is already on the aided ship's list of recent 'damage dealers'. Thus:

RedA and RedB attack BlueC
BlueD aids BlueC
RedA dies due to fire from BlueC only - the killmail lists BlueC *and* BlueD as Involved parties
BlueC dies due to continued fire from RedB despite BlueD's help - the killmail lists RedA and RedB as Involved parties, but not BlueD
GreenE kills RedB soon after - the killmail lists GreenE and BlueD as Involved parties (BlueD is listed because he aided a target RedB was agressing, thus contributing to RedB's eventual death)

I think this is slightly different from what Batolemaeus is suggesting. Your system seems to reward people (by giving them killmails) when a ship they're aiding dies - when they've failed, but not when it lives - when they're succesful.

Posted - 2008.06.23 00:11:00 - [11]

 

Edited by: Batolemaeus on 23/06/2008 00:13:06

Originally by: Najri

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*stuff*

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Please don't derail this thread, but thanks for your support :)

Originally by: Blazde

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If you repair (or otherwise aid) someone you should be added to the list of recent 'damage dealers' for each ship which is already on the aided ship's list of recent 'damage dealers'.

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Interesting idea. I wanted to keep it simple and easy to implement, and i think my idea is pretty easy to do.
Of course, your idea is pretty complicated, but if it can be implement, i absolutely love it.

Logistics already only appear on killboards when they fail (and sadly on the wrong side), with the change they'd show up when someone dies. I bet killboard devs would adapt pretty fast and create some sort of ranking or similar for logistics, as everything with negative damage dealt could be easily filtered out and put into neat statistics etc.

Posted - 2008.06.24 20:08:00 - [13]

 

Originally by: Zirconium Blade

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Unfortunately you would only appear on the killmails in which your target (your friend) dies in. Notice that all the ships in a killmail are performing an action on the ship that asplodes. You are performing a (to the computer) unrelated action on someone that is performing an action on the victim.

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That is correct. Still, i think it would be a step in the right direction. Maybe we will see a complete overhaul of the killmail system someday anyways?

Posted - 2008.06.25 12:18:00 - [15]

 

/signed

Posted - 2008.06.26 20:53:00 - [17]

 

Edited by: Galia Bonaventure on 26/06/2008 20:56:02

Originally by: Ulviirala Vauryndar

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Originally by: Galia Bonaventure

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with remote-rep networks, wouldn't this result in redundant entries for players

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You appear as damage dealer with "damage done" on a kill, maybe another line with "damage repaired" in the same entry if you accidentally remote-repped your target ;)
If one of your mates you have been repairing was killed, you'll be in as "damage repaired". It's not redundant in that way and combat logs, I suppose, are working with references, therefore this wouldn't make thah much of a difference, I'd imagine.

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Ah, I see the light, just give each player involved in the conflict two possible line with their entry, "Damage Done" and "Damage Repaired". If zero then leave blank. In a remote rep network everyone would have both damage done and damage repaired entries. Straight Logistics pilots would only have a damage repaired entry, so long as they repped someone involved in the fight. Easy and beautiful.

Edit: BTW Batolemaeus, I love your example in the OP, 534223 damage to kill a reaper! lol. And he did 533842 damage to the Helios with his civvy Gatling gun. What fun.

Posted - 2008.06.27 01:31:00 - [19]

 

Actually, i prefer to stay incognito when flying logistics, hehe :)

Posted - 2008.06.29 22:35:00 - [21]

 

Originally by: Zirconium Blade

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Unfortunately you would only appear on the killmails in which your target (your friend) dies in. Notice that all the ships in a killmail are performing an action on the ship that asplodes. You are performing a (to the computer) unrelated action on someone that is performing an action on the victim.

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The server alredy takes notice on you aiding somewhone who in turn aggro someone. If a happy guardian pilot rr someoneequally happy who is shooting a not so happy badger II on a gate in .2 the server will know and direct big evil sentry guns to fire on the guardian. It will be a small matter to transfer this information to the combat blog. Something like this:

2008.06.29 21:23

Victim: Unhappy Victim
Corp: School Of Applied Knowlege
Alliance: NONE
Faction: NONE
Destroyed: Falcon
System: BND-16
Security: 0.0
Damage Taken: 10123

Involved parties:

Name: Draahk Chimera
Security: 5.0
Corp: Interstellar eXodus
Alliance: R0ADKILL
Faction: NONE
Ship: Vagabond
Weapon: Vagabond
Damage Done: 10123

Name: Draahkness
Security: -1.9
Corp: Interstellar eXodus
Alliance: R0ADKILL
Faction: NONE
Ship: Guardian
Weapon: None
Damage Done: 0

Destroyed items:

Enfeebling Phase Inversion ECM I
BZ-5 Neutralizing Spatial Destabilizer ECM
Piranha Precision Light Missile, Qty: 907 (Cargo)
Particle Dispersion Projector I, Qty: 2

Dropped items:

Sabretooth Precision Light Missile, Qty: 80
Assault Missile Launcher II
Assault Missile Launcher II
Piranha Precision Light Missile, Qty: 80
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Sensor Booster II
'Umbra' I White Noise ECM
'Hypnos' Ion Field ECM I
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
'Hypnos' Multispectral ECM I
Signal Distortion Amplifier II
Signal Distortion Amplifier II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Sabretooth Precision Light Missile, Qty: 907 (Cargo)

Posted - 2008.07.30 23:43:00 - [23]

 

/signed

It would be really interesting to know, how effective the logistic worked.
Still little bit flawed, because really effective logistics will never see a killmail.

Additional idea:
Include the damage/repair a ship was able to deal, before it died.

Posted - 2008.08.31 08:06:00 - [25]

 

/signed!

Posted - 2008.08.31 17:23:00 - [27]

 

/signed

Posted - 2008.10.25 21:21:00 - [29]

 

/signed. send this Idea to a csm so they can **** off the dev's and get this into the game.