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Torshin
Fairlight Corp
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2008.06.09 19:28:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Torshin on 09/06/2008 19:28:17
Several years ago ********** and all of his related accounts were banned for causing disturbances and general EULA violations. I believe that the CSM should bring forward the issue of setting a deadline for when ********** will be unbanned because it is his actions and revealing the corruption within CCP that lead to the formation of the CSM. I think that his ban should be lifted by the end of this councils term.

lecrotta
Minmatar
lecrotta Corp
Posted - 2008.06.09 19:32:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: lecrotta on 09/06/2008 19:35:46

He hacked so he deserves to be banned forever no matter the result, accepting this sort of behavior just because it perhaps produced results is a slippery slope and a bridge that should not be crossed.

Anton Marvik
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2008.06.09 19:33:00 - [3]
 

[13:31] <Torshin> lets see if anyone replies first though

I totally support whatever this is.

Big Al
The Aftermath

Posted - 2008.06.09 19:34:00 - [4]
 

Supportin before the delete.

Sergio Ling
Posted - 2008.06.09 19:34:00 - [5]
 

No. their house, their rules.

Torshin
Fairlight Corp
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2008.06.09 19:35:00 - [6]
 

the hacking that occurred did not involve CCP nor did it affect ccp. Plenty of people have had their forums hacked from GF to Correli to Bruce. His hacking is not the reason he was banned and it remains to be seen whether it was him or one of his associates who actually hacked the RKK forums

Heroldyn
Posted - 2008.06.09 19:38:00 - [7]
 

i support this issue. not because i think he earned it because how it added to formation of the csm, but because i was allways disapointed by ccp's response to that matter and because the formal reasoning of ccp for his ban was something alike "he put additional workload to our employees, which is an eula violation".

additionally while they accused him of illegal "hacking", they never showed any proof/evidence to thoose accusations.



Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange
Nabaal Syndicate
Posted - 2008.06.09 19:38:00 - [8]
 

Anyone care to explain the incident in question? This is one I've never heard of.

lecrotta
Minmatar
lecrotta Corp
Posted - 2008.06.09 19:39:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Torshin
the hacking that occurred did not involve CCP nor did it affect ccp. Plenty of people have had their forums hacked from GF to Correli to Bruce. His hacking is not the reason he was banned and it remains to be seen whether it was him or one of his associates who actually hacked the RKK forums


He or somebody else broke the rules, but he claimed responsibility for it by his posting of the results of the hack therefore he must accept the consequences.

Torshin
Fairlight Corp
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2008.06.09 19:41:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: lecrotta
Originally by: Torshin
the hacking that occurred did not involve CCP nor did it affect ccp. Plenty of people have had their forums hacked from GF to Correli to Bruce. His hacking is not the reason he was banned and it remains to be seen whether it was him or one of his associates who actually hacked the RKK forums


He or somebody else broke the rules, but he claimed responsibility for it by his posting of the results of the hack therefore he must accept the consequences.
posting chat logs of what are clearly abuses of power by individuals should not constitute a life time ban. Once again the actions you are talking about are not what CCP actually banned the player in question for.

Darius JOHNSON
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.06.09 19:45:00 - [11]
 

If the case is that he did nothing to CCP then I cannot see a reason for them to have been banned. I've seen other MMO's ban people for items posted on guild websites and such and have always found it to be in bad form. I'll have to reserve judgement however until I understand the details. I cannot condone anything illegal.

Torshin
Fairlight Corp
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2008.06.09 19:47:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Darius JOHNSON
If the case is that he did nothing to CCP then I cannot see a reason for them to have been banned. I've seen other MMO's ban people for items posted on guild websites and such and have always found it to be in bad form. I'll have to reserve judgement however until I understand the details. I cannot condone anything illegal.
does that mean you are interested in discussing the matter in the original post?

Darius JOHNSON
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.06.09 19:49:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Torshin
Originally by: Darius JOHNSON
If the case is that he did nothing to CCP then I cannot see a reason for them to have been banned. I've seen other MMO's ban people for items posted on guild websites and such and have always found it to be in bad form. I'll have to reserve judgement however until I understand the details. I cannot condone anything illegal.
does that mean you are interested in discussing the matter in the original post?


It means exactly what I said. I cannot condone anything illegal for a multitude of reasons.

Whatever actions were taken, CCP acting on hearsay regarding attacks which were not focused on them is something I find disturbing should it prove to be true. I represent people who have been on the receiving end of claims of "Denial of service" attacks which was farcical at best and I can tell you I don't like the insinuation. I don't find it hard to believe others may have been falsely labeled without merit.

Heroldyn
Posted - 2008.06.09 19:49:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: lecrotta
Originally by: Torshin
the hacking that occurred did not involve CCP nor did it affect ccp. Plenty of people have had their forums hacked from GF to Correli to Bruce. His hacking is not the reason he was banned and it remains to be seen whether it was him or one of his associates who actually hacked the RKK forums


He or somebody else broke the rules, but he claimed responsibility for it by his posting of the results of the hack therefore he must accept the consequences.


the results of his findings did not show that "illegal hacking" was involved in aquiring the information.

he was banned for "putting workload" to ccp employes. a very vague formulation from ccp, which also doesnt explain how a player can protect himself from accidently putting workload to a ccp employee either :P

in the end, every eve player profits from **********s findings and the introduction of the "internal affairs" "department" at ccp.

Ethaet
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2008.06.09 19:50:00 - [15]
 

AFAIK from my limited understanding, he hacked a BoB forum and exposed the T20 thing, then got B& for something unrelated (not sure exactly what)

lecrotta
Minmatar
lecrotta Corp
Posted - 2008.06.09 19:51:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Darius JOHNSON
If the case is that he did nothing to CCP then I cannot see a reason for them to have been banned. I've seen other MMO's ban people for items posted on guild websites and such and have always found it to be in bad form. I'll have to reserve judgement however until I understand the details. I cannot condone anything illegal.


Kug gets blown up by BoB members and gets smack talked.
Kug uses "sources" to get information (illegally) from BoB forums
Kug (illegally) finds out dev cheating helps BoB and is happy
Kug exposes this
Kug gets accounts banned
Kug gets VERY ****ed off because he misses getting to play EVE
Kug threatens CCP and gets no results
Kug uses his "sources" to get info (illegally) on some other innocent GM's (not devs)
Kug threatens again and is again ignored
Kug gets more ****ed about his eve addiction not being satisfied
Kug assumes that the enslaver stuff will get him "unbanned"
Kug is even more ****ed now so he will use "sources" to out other GM's in alliances that are associated with BoB


This pretty much covers it.

Darius JOHNSON
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.06.09 19:58:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: lecrotta
Originally by: Darius JOHNSON
If the case is that he did nothing to CCP then I cannot see a reason for them to have been banned. I've seen other MMO's ban people for items posted on guild websites and such and have always found it to be in bad form. I'll have to reserve judgement however until I understand the details. I cannot condone anything illegal.


Kug gets blown up by BoB members and gets smack talked.
Kug uses "sources" to get information (illegally) from BoB forums
Kug (illegally) finds out dev cheating helps BoB and is happy
Kug exposes this
Kug gets accounts banned
Kug gets VERY ****ed off because he misses getting to play EVE
Kug threatens CCP and gets no results
Kug uses his "sources" to get info (illegally) on some other innocent GM's (not devs)
Kug threatens again and is again ignored
Kug gets more ****ed about his eve addiction not being satisfied
Kug assumes that the enslaver stuff will get him "unbanned"
Kug is even more ****ed now so he will use "sources" to out other GM's in alliances that are associated with BoB


This pretty much covers it.


If you don't want to get caught with mud on your hands don't play in the mud. I can't feel sorry for bad people getting caught doing bad things.

Heroldyn
Posted - 2008.06.09 20:00:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: lecrotta
Originally by: Darius JOHNSON
If the case is that he did nothing to CCP then I cannot see a reason for them to have been banned. I've seen other MMO's ban people for items posted on guild websites and such and have always found it to be in bad form. I'll have to reserve judgement however until I understand the details. I cannot condone anything illegal.


Kug gets blown up by BoB members and gets smack talked.
Kug uses "sources" to get information (illegally) from BoB forums
Kug (illegally) finds out dev cheating helps BoB and is happy
Kug exposes this
Kug gets accounts banned
Kug gets VERY ****ed off because he misses getting to play EVE
Kug threatens CCP and gets no results
Kug uses his "sources" to get info (illegally) on some other innocent GM's (not devs)
Kug threatens again and is again ignored
Kug gets more ****ed about his eve addiction not being satisfied
Kug assumes that the enslaver stuff will get him "unbanned"
Kug is even more ****ed now so he will use "sources" to out other GM's in alliances that are associated with BoB


This pretty much covers it.


thats just nonsense. if ccp had evidence that he did something "illegal", the would have banned him for that. and not for "workload". and they would have sued him propably aswell.

mazzilliu
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.06.09 20:21:00 - [19]
 

********** cant complete my year old courier contract i have with his alt because he's banned and i want my sabres back some day. also the sniggwaffe corp fenrir thanks to ccp

Gneeznow
Minmatar
Ship spinners inc
Posted - 2008.06.09 20:26:00 - [20]
 

Free kugu ! he was banned unjustly.

Ander
Gallente
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.06.09 20:27:00 - [21]
 

I support unbanning **********.
Yes, I am biased for being in PL.com .

But I believe that there're many others who have done much worse.
BoB, RA, Goons. all of them metagame and have their network of spies.

What he did was to out a CCP employee AFTER he had contacted CCP about it.
CCP had their usual "yeah we'll see what we can do about it" and then simply ignored it.

He risked everything by posting the proof. He got banned, but on the other hand some wrongs were corrected.

Why did CCP ban him? Not for a good reason imo.

App Rentoo
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.06.09 20:28:00 - [22]
 

Free Nelson ma...errm, yes, free him.

Tabare Vazquez
Uruguay Forever
Posted - 2008.06.09 20:28:00 - [23]
 

********** is the only reason for your free vacation to Iceland, you should be thankful.

Teh Doylan
Caldari
DarkStar 1
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.06.09 20:29:00 - [24]
 

For the first time, I agree with torshin.

Saino Feel
Posted - 2008.06.09 20:29:00 - [25]
 

Unjustly banned. Voting freedom.

IHurricane
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.06.09 20:33:00 - [26]
 

Supported

Maryla
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.06.09 20:33:00 - [27]
 

The way ccp handled t20 case ****es me off to this day and banning ********** was very lame on their part.

I support this issue.

Matt'Guitar'Murphy
BluesBrothers
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.06.09 20:35:00 - [28]
 

Supported

eragon alseen
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.06.09 20:37:00 - [29]
 

We should thank him for what he did to make this game better.

Euriti
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.06.09 20:38:00 - [30]
 

Edited by: Euriti on 09/06/2008 20:37:51
Unjustly banned.

He exposed what is most likely the greatest scandal in eve so far

FREE **********!


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