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Tempus Iskander
Gallente
Les Enfants de Gaia

Posted - 2008.06.20 07:36:00 - [541]
 


Agree Jade is wrong to nerf mining barges and force peeps to fit missile laucnchers to tempest!

Nyx Cyth
Posted - 2008.06.20 11:30:00 - [542]
 


Lokivolteri
Federal Navy Academy

Posted - 2008.06.20 15:52:00 - [543]
 

Ok thats nice that you have borught to CCP's attention is CCP doing anything about it? didn't think so...

Hori To
Masuat'aa Matari
Posted - 2008.06.20 17:29:00 - [544]
 

the election where held, the csm is chosen, you do not get to vote in your rep in the election and vote out mine afterwards!

Parsival
Minmatar
The Avalon Foundation
The Drift.
Posted - 2008.06.20 20:36:00 - [545]
 

Originally by: Hori To
the election where held, the csm is chosen, you do not get to vote in your rep in the election and vote out mine afterwards!


Try reading the OP and the rest of the thread. This has nothing to do with voting anybody out of the CSM. Rolling Eyes


Shai MaiTsang
Posted - 2008.06.21 01:09:00 - [546]
 


If Jade isn't fired I'm going to cancel my accounts!

Robinete Broadhead
Minmatar
Posted - 2008.06.21 14:39:00 - [547]
 

Originally by: Shai MaiTsang

If Jade isn't fired I'm going to cancel my accounts!



bYE BYE....

Pooka
Caldari
United Space Aillance USA
Posted - 2008.06.21 14:45:00 - [548]
 

Confused

Is this all because a goon or goon pet isn't ruining..mean running CSM?


Alexi Kalashnikov
Posted - 2008.06.21 16:02:00 - [549]
 

Originally by: Pooka
Confused

Is this all because a goon or goon pet isn't ruining..mean running CSM?




If this were the case,
1. This would have been started by a goon.
2. This would have been started immediately after the election results came out.

Since this is not the case,
1. This thread was started by a non-goon.
2. This thread has well over half of it's supporters as non-goon.
3. Jade has gone back on his words, overstepped his authority and has openly attacked another CSMs character in interviews and here in this very thread.

CCP needs to step in and quell this. As the general eve population is asking for Jade to step down as CSM Chairman, NOT AS A CSM REP (let's make thsi clear), it would be in good cause for Jade to follow the wishes of the general EVE population.

Shintogo Kunimitsu
Posted - 2008.06.22 20:46:00 - [550]
 


Hori To
Masuat'aa Matari
Posted - 2008.06.23 01:01:00 - [551]
 

Originally by: Parsival
Originally by: Hori To
the election where held, the csm is chosen, you do not get to vote in your rep in the election and vote out mine afterwards!


Try reading the OP and the rest of the thread. This has nothing to do with voting anybody out of the CSM. Rolling Eyes




actually it does, Jade won the election, the rules say he gets the chair.

sorry if I was a bit less then accurate in my quoted post.

Ramblin Man
Empyreum
Posted - 2008.06.23 02:05:00 - [552]
 

After reading the log and thinking: No.

Real politics are messy. You asked for transparency, now put on your big-captain pants and deal with what it looks like when two people disagree. You're seeing the world through rose-colored glasses if you think there's any difference between the arguments in the CSM and the billions of arguments to occur between elected officials over the course of human history.

Our elected officials are still talking to each other, and they haven't yet started malevolently grinding votes to a halt out of sheer bitterness towards each other. By that single metric I am inclined to throw my weight behind their continued progress, until such time as they fail to surpass that (low) standard or the next election occurs.

Vaermina Valessara
Amarr
Posted - 2008.06.23 11:59:00 - [553]
 

Out the door...

Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
Butterfly Effect Alliance
Posted - 2008.06.23 17:24:00 - [554]
 

Edited by: Deviana Sevidon on 23/06/2008 17:27:22
Not supported.

I think it is the vengeance of a small group of people that could not have their way (or their candidate as a chairmember) and now they try to ruin the whole CSM thing.

EDIT:
I am just noticing I am wholeheartly agreeing with BoB Members. Goons, what have you done too me with your Threadnaught?Crying or Very sad


K'veer
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.06.24 12:38:00 - [555]
 

Supported.

Setana Manoro
Gallente
Firefly Inc.
Posted - 2008.06.24 14:42:00 - [556]
 

Originally by: Anton Marvik
Edited by: Anton Marvik on 09/06/2008 19:55:43

The Random People of the Assembly Hall,

Recognising the Chairperson's responsibilities are crucial to the effectiveness of the CSM,

Noting Further these responsibilities include unbiased judgment, maturity, and professionalism,

Deeply disturbed by the actions of the current chair, Jade Constantine, in CSM Meeting Three and during the time since, including editorializing at the time of the meeting, and muting an elected CSM representative who spoke out against said editorializing,

Further deploring Jade Constantine's failure to take responsibility for said failures as Chairperson, as well as his threatening of further immature and reprehensible actions,

Desiring a successful and effective CSM,

1. Calls upon the CSM to undertake an immediate vote for the removal of Jade Constantine from Chair;

2. Further invites the CSM to duly elect a new Chairperson;

3. Regrets the necessity of these actions;

4. Further reminds the CSM representatives that they are responsible to the entirety of the EVE playerbase to make the CSM a success;

5. Expresses its hope that the CSM will be more successful in the future.



Yeah. I have too much free time. Aside from the manner in which it is written I think it speaks for itself. The thread for CSM Meeting 3, with relevant Jadeisms, can be found here - http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=788122&page=5

If Jade can't take responsibility for her actions, there is no hope that she will avoid those actions in the future, especially as Jade has threatened to be even MORE childish in her future.

Originally by: Jade Constantine
The lesson learned from that last meeting is for the Chair to be firmer, sooner, and take a much more vigorous hand in preventing unrecognized interruptions from the representatives

Rolling Eyes

Jade later responded to criticism about his actions with the following gems,

Originally by: Jade Constantine

What is it with the damned hippy-flower-child-politically-correct mumbo jumbo being spoken on these forums today? Rolling Eyes

99% of the bad feeling comes from people who for one reason or other have decided they want the CSM to fail.


If Jade cannot accept responsibility for his actions, let alone realize why they were wrong in the first place, she is not a sound Chairperson. Period.


Tl;dr The Chair is CRUCIAL, there is limited time for the CSM to get their job done, Jade is a failure as the Chair, needs to be replaced ASAP.



No ... just because your picture looks funny.

Yuki Santara
Posted - 2008.06.24 14:57:00 - [557]
 

Originally by: Alexi Kalashnikov
Originally by: Pooka
Confused

Is this all because a goon or goon pet isn't ruining..mean running CSM?




If this were the case,
1. This would have been started by a goon.
2. This would have been started immediately after the election results came out.

Since this is not the case,
1. This thread was started by a non-goon.
2. This thread has well over half of it's supporters as non-goon.
3. Jade has gone back on his words, overstepped his authority and has openly attacked another CSMs character in interviews and here in this very thread.

CCP needs to step in and quell this. As the general eve population is asking for Jade to step down as CSM Chairman, NOT AS A CSM REP (let's make thsi clear), it would be in good cause for Jade to follow the wishes of the general EVE population.


Another step towards democracy, now we got our own spin doctors.

Anton Marvik
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2008.06.24 15:14:00 - [558]
 

Originally by: Setana Manoro


No ... just because your picture looks funny.


No one knows what its like
To be the bad man
To be the sad man
Behind a funny looking picture

Originally by: Yuki Santara

Another step towards democracy, now we got our own spin doctors.


I don't think you understand the definition of 'spin'.

Zulimu
Minmatar
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2008.06.24 15:50:00 - [559]
 

/signed

Eddie Gordo
Minmatar
Masuat'aa Matari
Damu'Khonde
Posted - 2008.06.24 16:38:00 - [560]
 

Not signed.

Lord Eremet
Posted - 2008.06.26 12:00:00 - [561]
 

Not signed. After reading it all I can only say one thing about this thread: Ridiculous.

Astria Tiphareth
Caldari
24th Imperial Crusade
Posted - 2008.06.26 12:09:00 - [562]
 

Edited by: Astria Tiphareth on 26/06/2008 12:09:10
I look forward to seeing this thread continue after the 6 months are up and Jade and the other CSM members are replaced by the new lot - because people can and will be that stupid.

Abrazzar
Posted - 2008.06.26 12:32:00 - [563]
 

Actually Jade has been removed from chair. They decided on rotating the chair position, so Jade isn't the permanent chair anymore.

Congratulations.

You have won.

Kretin Arnon
Amarr
Path of the Immortals
Posted - 2008.06.26 12:49:00 - [564]
 

Originally by: Abrazzar
Actually Jade has been removed from chair. They decided on rotating the chair position, so Jade isn't the permanent chair anymore.

Congratulations.

You have won.


Is there any price?

Besides funny hats?

Sariyah
HUN Corp.
HUN Reloaded
Posted - 2008.06.26 12:54:00 - [565]
 

.

SickSeven
Simplistic Syndicate
Posted - 2008.06.26 13:37:00 - [566]
 

Edited by: SickSeven on 26/06/2008 13:36:48
I support this for the simple fact that the Chair engages in childish banter with his critics.

You dont see real world people of power posting videos on youtube to call their critics names and liars.(not that this has happend with the CSM... yet)

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2008.06.26 16:16:00 - [567]
 

Originally by: SickSeven
Edited by: SickSeven on 26/06/2008 13:36:48
I support this for the simple fact that the Chair engages in childish banter with his critics.

You dont see real world people of power posting videos on youtube to call their critics names and liars.(not that this has happend with the CSM... yet)


Well here's one

This ones even better

This one is epic

Slap across the face

We could certainly go on ...

But anyways here's the bottom line. CCP recognize that the CSM delegates represent different interest groups from the community and its our role to best represent our constituencies. We had an excellent historical lecture on the roots of Icelandic democracy during the CSM conference and heard ourselves described as "internet chieftains" responsible for thrashing out laws and policies in open and passionate debate.

This is raw democracy and plain-speaking and its very far away from the sanitized image-politics of idealized process that some on this thread have lamented the lack off.

We had a superb conference in Iceland and each of the CSM delegates did an excellent job in representing their constituencies and supporters and cooperating in addressing critical issues to the game at this time. At the close of business I asked my fellow CSM reps if they'd be happy to see me continue as Chair till the end of the first session of the CSM and got their full support.

So thats the deal really. Anybody who didn't like the way I've handled the chair position this time around is welcome to stand at the next CSM in the winter and who knows, get the support, promote your message, appeal to the voters and get elected and you'll get a chance to show us all how its done.

Until then lets get back to business.

ErrhuhBlaman
Posted - 2008.06.27 20:01:00 - [568]
 

no support

Aloriana Jacques
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
Posted - 2008.06.28 05:00:00 - [569]
 

I do not support this idea. Though Jade may have acted hastily in the events in question, this does not mean he should be removed from his post for it.

Was it rude? Yes, but not unreasonable.

Jade was elected like everyone else and should, and undoubtedly will, continue leading the CSM until the end of his term.

Simply put, if you don't like Jade when the time comes and Jade decides to run again, don't re-elect him.

Nikita Alterana
Kumiho's Smile
Posted - 2008.06.28 05:36:00 - [570]
 



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