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Pontet Canet
Amarr
en primeur
Posted - 2008.06.09 12:32:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: DaiTengu
Something that's been bothering me for a long time, and I've never gotten a straight answer to.

Why do you pubbies self destruct or eject from your ships when you're going to die?



Noone finds out how dire your fit was?

Taram Caldar
Caldari
Royal Black Watch Highlanders
Warped Aggression
Posted - 2008.06.09 12:40:00 - [32]
 

Edited by: Taram Caldar on 09/06/2008 12:39:57
Self Destruct is such a pansy move it's pathetic.
I don't have any respect for pilots who do it.

Tataki Wisako
Caldari
Trans-Solar Works
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2008.06.09 12:40:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: DaiTengu
Why do you pubbies self destruct or eject from your ships when you're going to die?



To deny the winners their killmail.

Inertial
Gallente
Did I just do that
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2008.06.09 12:47:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Taram Caldar
Edited by: Taram Caldar on 09/06/2008 12:39:57
Self Destruct is such a pansy move it's pathetic.
I don't have any respect for pilots who do it.



I self destructed a Vexor outside a station once to get Insurance, does this mean I got no respect from you?

Sariyah
Gallente
HUN Corp.
HUN Reloaded
Posted - 2008.06.09 12:48:00 - [35]
 

Oh, you do get insurance money from self-destruct? Isn't that insurance fraud? Shocked

DREAMWORKS
Gallente
Gangbang-Gang
GUARDS 0F AVALON
Posted - 2008.06.09 12:56:00 - [36]
 

Wel done poopoohead.

GD DREAMWORKSEmbarassed

Zulu Six
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2008.06.09 12:57:00 - [37]
 

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Zulu Six
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2008.06.09 12:58:00 - [38]
 

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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.06.09 13:00:00 - [39]
 

I think self-destruct prevents any modules from dropping as loot or something ;\ totally lame game mechanic

Lord KesH
Minmatar
Incarnation of Evil
Posted - 2008.06.09 13:10:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
I think self-destruct prevents any modules from dropping as loot or something ;\ totally lame game mechanic


As well as it could be said.

Qipchak
Minmatar
Federal Investigations Agency
Posted - 2008.06.09 13:14:00 - [41]
 

I dont know why they blew up their ships. Everyday they pop with 10 BS single players in a Gate Camp, they answer the whining player "Thatīs Eve" and "lol n00b". And now they cant loose ships theirself? And moreover, you complain about the fact we attack with more ships. I can only say "Thatīs EvE"

Alazais
Caldari
Fairlight Corp
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2008.06.09 13:19:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
I think self-destruct prevents any modules from dropping as loot or something ;\ totally lame game mechanic


Afaik, we got loot from all 3 carriers.

Whether this was the intended effect or a bug I don't know. That said, fighters were out, which makes up much of it anyway. I don't know if there would have been more loot or not without a self-destruct. I do remember in the past that self-destructing prevented the appearance of a can - though I had impression that since the introduction of wrecks (which appear regardless of whether you self-destruct or not) you can get loot from self-destructs. Whether the loot table changes, or whether it applies to both capital/non-capital, I have no idea.

Alazais
Caldari
Fairlight Corp
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2008.06.09 13:28:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: Lord KesH
Just to give my side of the story :)

1. Sorry for the smack in local afterwards, but you know we cant help it when its you ^^

2. The whole carrier thing was a quite funny story ^^ And here is what actually happened. (from our point of view)

We were sitting at a gate being nice and sweet like we usually are. Killing the odd ship now and then. Suddently a FDN Abaddon? i think it was jumped in, and we started shooting, bumping and what everyone knows you need to do to kill something.
Anyways, he pops a cyno (not unexpected form FDN) and in comes 2 carriers, so here we were thinking, "could this be the day that fdn comes in to fight us in a fair fight" Well more or less we decided that while we were taking gate gun fire and so on we could just as well warp in a few carriers to match theirs - ok we had 1 more than you that actually made it to the gate.

Never the less we pop the abaddon fairly fast. But then the thing happens - up goes a new cyno. But oh wait the new cyno ship is a carrier. We know we cant pop that in time before we get jumped so at this point everyone is aligned out.
Hello there 5 more carries to help FDN.
We get some/most of the ships out and the falcons stay behind to help get the carriers out.

So here i am with something like 3 points and 2 webs on me thinking this is not gonna work out. Then the second part of their fleet comes in. And we agree that we know that we are gonna loose our carriers. So we iniciate self destruct :)

Then here is the part i found a bit funny - Somehow 2 of the carries looses lock on me and im sitting at 20% Armor - "Not structure btw" :) - And the falcons do a great job of jamming the last one that has a point on me, so i warp out. so as you all know that about 1 minute and 50 seconds before i warp out the self destruct was initiated. So im in a bit of panic when i cant find the Self destruct thing while im in warp. Then im told that its not accessible while in warp and im thinking this is NOT good.
I land on the station and as soon as my ship is out of warp im trying to abort the self destruct. But nope that wasnt the case - my ship blows up as i land on station and im in my pod.

So all in all it was a fun fight, allthou we lost some ships which everyone does in the game. Outnumbered again but you must give us credit for trying ^^

Ships involved in the fight. (Taken from battlesummary from FDN killboard - as our is messed up because we had kills before fdn came)
We had/They had

Carriers: 3 - 7
BS : 4 - 10
CS : 0 - 1
BC : 1 - 4
HICS : 1 - 2
Hacs : 1 - 1
Recons : 2 - 3
Smallish: 0 - 2

Summary: gf guys - we will be seeing you around ^^



gf

Thanks for the post. And remember, being said to have Baldric on your ship is a perverse honour anyway :) What's Eve without a cunning plan?

Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.06.09 13:33:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Alazais
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
I think self-destruct prevents any modules from dropping as loot or something ;\ totally lame game mechanic


Afaik, we got loot from all 3 carriers.

Whether this was the intended effect or a bug I don't know. That said, fighters were out, which makes up much of it anyway. I don't know if there would have been more loot or not without a self-destruct. I do remember in the past that self-destructing prevented the appearance of a can - though I had impression that since the introduction of wrecks (which appear regardless of whether you self-destruct or not) you can get loot from self-destructs. Whether the loot table changes, or whether it applies to both capital/non-capital, I have no idea.


I hope you're right Smile would mean CCP fixed one of my pet peeves \o/

Hexman
Minmatar
The Ankou
Raiden.
Posted - 2008.06.09 13:33:00 - [45]
 

self destructing to avoid the km is bad, mkay?

Sokratesz
Caldari
Rionnag Alba
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2008.06.09 13:50:00 - [46]
 

People who self-destruct cap ships suck.

Sokratesz
Caldari
Rionnag Alba
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2008.06.09 14:15:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Lord KesH

So here i am with something like 3 points and 2 webs on me thinking this is not gonna work out. Then the second part of their fleet comes in. And we agree that we know that we are gonna loose our carriers. So we iniciate self destruct :)


What the hell are you doing in a carrier?

Princess Jodi
Gallente
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2008.06.09 14:30:00 - [48]
 

Nice story. Got just the right amount of smack, without going gaga over the punchline.

The Self-Destruct outcome is particularily hilarious. While I hope I'll never reach for the Big Red Button myself, I find it a valid tactic. My reasoning is that since the Gankers and ****ers want the Killmail so bad, denying them the mail is a way to salvage something from an otherwise untenable situation.

Good to know that you can't cancel self-destruct in warp. Thanks for spending the 2 Bill to teach me that lesson. Laughing

Sokratesz
Caldari
Rionnag Alba
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2008.06.09 14:40:00 - [49]
 

Regardless of how bad someone wants ytou dead, you agree to the chance of dying everytime you undock. It's nothing but lame, and extremely lame if you self-destruct in a combat situation with the only intention to deny them the mail.

Captain Shocker
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2008.06.09 14:49:00 - [50]
 

Isnt suicide a sin?

JS LiamElms
Gallente
Zor Industries
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.06.09 15:06:00 - [51]
 

fair tactic or not.. its still making me smiling thinking about the amount of emotions within that brief moment...
-he actually made warp (epic thrill to make it out alive)...
-oh sh!!! (freak out hoping that he can cancel intime)...
-8ugger (major downer knowing he lost his ebil carrier)

great write up

Rick Rothsar
Minmatar
Ghosts of Ragnarok
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2008.06.09 16:13:00 - [52]
 

Nicely done FDN.

Wesley Baird
Caldari
D00M.
Triumvirate.
Posted - 2008.06.09 16:23:00 - [53]
 

Great story! Sounds like people are having alot of fun, good to hear!


Wylker
Caldari
Pyrrhus Sicarii
Posted - 2008.06.09 16:29:00 - [54]
 

Yeah well done, I'm sure it takes a lot of planning and brains to drop 7-10 capital ships in every single engagement. Your skill is rivaled only by your brains.

Jackaryas
Caldari
Fairlight Corp
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2008.06.09 16:30:00 - [55]
 

Yay go FDN YARRRR!!

Was a GF excelent posting as always alazais

FOFOFOF
Gallente
CRAPSTORM
Posted - 2008.06.09 16:50:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: Ganked Noob
Yeah well done, I'm sure it takes a lot of planning and brains to drop 7-10 battle ships in every single gate engagement. Your skill is rivaled only by your brains.

m8, you do gank noobs at camps, why cry when the noobs gank you?

That's EVE, get used to it. Just say gf and move on...

Wylker
Caldari
Pyrrhus Sicarii
Posted - 2008.06.09 17:03:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: FOFOFOF
Originally by: Ganked Noob
Yeah well done, I'm sure it takes a lot of planning and brains to drop 7-10 battle ships in every single gate engagement. Your skill is rivaled only by your brains.

m8, you do gank noobs at camps, why cry when the noobs gank you?

That's EVE, get used to it. Just say gf and move on...



It's ok, we know what to expect, and we always make the choice to engage. Its just amazing to me how they pat themselves on the back about it.

Wesley Baird
Caldari
D00M.
Triumvirate.
Posted - 2008.06.09 17:09:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: Wylker
Yeah well done, I'm sure it takes a lot of planning and brains to drop 7-10 capital ships in every single engagement. Your skill is rivaled only by your brains.


Why so bitter? It was a good story, with a funny ending...its supposed to be fun...you are starting to sound like one of those people you scammed.

Wylker
Caldari
Pyrrhus Sicarii
Posted - 2008.06.09 17:14:00 - [59]
 

Actually I meant to give props to the OP for how he wrote his writeup. And who got scammed? I refunded everyone.

The RedPlague
Gallente
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
Privateer Alliance
Posted - 2008.06.09 17:38:00 - [60]
 

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