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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2008.06.07 23:17:00 - [31]
 

The goons would love it Shocked

Ranamar
Caldari
Posted - 2008.06.07 23:32:00 - [32]
 

Edited by: Ranamar on 07/06/2008 23:44:26
Edited by: Ranamar on 07/06/2008 23:39:08
Edited by: Ranamar on 07/06/2008 23:35:59
I should not feed the trolls, but it is too tempting...

Your complaints about anime, in particular, strike me as having about as much logic as saying movies are bad because Pirates exists.
(No, I haven't seen it, yes, they played it at my university and charged $1 for it, but I couldn't be arsed to go... and the media response was hilarious. Unfortunately, KDKA fixed their article so it no longer claimed that 3000 students saw the movie over the course of two showings in a theater that fits 500 people, so I can't show you that item.)

Anyway, if you discount the **** that inevitably shows up in any medium, they're at least as good as other comparable visual media. (Frankly, each has its own set of ridiculosities.)

factcheck edit: Rereading the article, they did in fact have three screenings. (I was surprised there were only two...) However, only two of them were sold out. Also, that auditorium has a capacity which is actually *less* than 500 people.

EDIT2: the link to the Wikipedia page for Pirates is broken because of the HTML sanitizer... here's the real URL: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirates_(2005_film)
EDIT3: apparently part of the link for the news article got sanitized, too, this time by the forum censors. Considering the type of movie, I'm sure you can guess what the 4-letter word they blocked was.

ShardowRhino
Caldari
Torque Theory
Posted - 2008.06.07 23:32:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Neth'Rae
Edited by: Neth''Rae on 07/06/2008 23:10:07
Originally by: ShardowRhino

Japanese styled artwork? Hm, that pic doesn't seem to fit traditional japanese artwork at all. However it does resemble heavily, japanese animation/anime/magna/hentia (however you spell it ) So someone saying it is anime is spot on. It doesn't matter if the artist was japanese and or making an anime or a single pic, its still clearly an anime style character,not traditional,ancient japanese artwork.



Did anyone even mention traditional japanese artwork?
Someone said 'japanese styled artwork' which would refer to modern japanese art in this context.
Anime refers to Japanese animation and manga refers to Japanese comics, I guess you could call a picture "manga style" or something, or just manga because people understand anyways.
And I think you did as well, you're just trying to be a wiseass..


It is rare for people to consider animation to be real art. Therefore the idea that someone is going to get uppity about people calling his picture anime/manga is kinda funny. To me, the flintstones is a cartoon,not art. You could suggest that each cell is artwork but i wouldnt see it as art. So its questionable to consider an anime pic as "art"and act semi defensive about it being called anime.

Had the pic been something I would recognize as being traditional Japanese artwork then I wouldn't have any problems with the op suggesting his anime is art. Its like comparing a cell of Fred Flintstone with the Mona Lisa, as much as i don't care about that peice of art and never understood the reason why so many love it. The amount of detail and effort and skill needed to make the 2 examples is extremely different. You can give a kid a crayon and a peice of paper and he will produce something rather close to Fred but give the same kid some paint and a canvas and your going to be disapointed in his rendition of the mona lisa.

Its comparing rap to classical music. Anyone can rap if they spent a whopping 2 hours. you could make millions if you add enough foul language,talk of dirtywomen,drugs and lie about how many times youve been shot. None of those fools are ever going to sit down and write a peice of music that requires an orchestra covering the different roles of various instruments. One is "art" while the other is a "commercial product".

Don't get me wrong, like i said before I <3 Ghost in the SHell and i think it has better artwork then the majority of anime out there but im not going to identify it as art but animation(even if its not actually animated such as a sketch).

Now as for me being a wiseass,you will never know if thats all it was or if I'm bloody serious.Laughing

ShardowRhino
Caldari
Torque Theory
Posted - 2008.06.07 23:35:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Ranamar
I should not feed the trolls, but it is too tempting...

Your complaints about anime, in particular, strike me as having about as much logic as saying movies are bad because Pirates exists.
(No, I haven't seen it, yes, they played it at my university and charged $1 for it, but I couldn't be arsed to go... and the media response was hilarious. Unfortunately, KDKA fixed their article so it no longer claimed that 3000 students saw the movie over the course of two showings in a theater that fits 500 people, so I can't show you that item.)

Anyway, if you discount the **** that inevitably shows up in any medium, they're at least as good as other comparable visual media. (Frankly, each has its own set of ridiculosities.)


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Ranamar
Caldari
Posted - 2008.06.07 23:37:00 - [35]
 

apparently, it's the usual problem of the HTML sanitizer removing parens...
here you go with the actual URL: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirates_(2005_film)

Alt Sauce
Posted - 2008.06.07 23:39:00 - [36]
 

Japanese Art = Painted scrolls telling a narrative

Anime = What 13 year old fat kids draw during Math class

Radix Salvilines
legion industries ltd
AAA Citizens
Posted - 2008.06.08 00:20:00 - [37]
 

NOOOO!!

Femaref
Armageddon Day
WE FORM VOLTRON
Posted - 2008.06.08 00:26:00 - [38]
 

I doubt a 13 year old kid can draw an animation (anime). A picture (manga) is something completly else tho.

Ranamar
Caldari
Posted - 2008.06.08 00:33:00 - [39]
 

Edited by: Ranamar on 08/06/2008 00:34:12
I'm pretty sure some thirteen-year-olds could draw anime. Depending on which one you pick, it's possible a lot of them could. I would also believe some could write the story for one. (These are not necessarily the same ones because we are not all identically talented.) However, I do not think either of them would still be thirteen when they got done if they only did it in math class, and I bet they'd fail math class in the meantime if they tried.

Additionally, with my (admittedly somewhat limited) experience with artists, I bet they'd finish and decide the first part sucked (due to artistic styles developing) and want to start over again.

gah... precision edit: some thirteen-year-olds could draw some animes, depending on the kid and the particular style you chose. Some of them are very flat, whereas others are not.

teh punisher
Suddenly Ninjas
Posted - 2008.06.08 00:48:00 - [40]
 

hell yeah man let us dress up like anime people. i want sepiroth's sword in one hand and cloud's in the other. this is such an awesome idea, almost as good as ambulation itself.

Kyra Felann
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2008.06.08 01:07:00 - [41]
 

Anime/manga: some is good, some is not, just like any style of media. To say it all sucks or that it's all amazing is silly.

Eve: no place for either. They've said they're going for a photorealistic look in ambulation, so the answer to the OP's question is "no".

I think that sums it up nicely.

Also, this thread: pointless.

Roen Dunaer
Posted - 2008.06.08 06:05:00 - [42]
 

Like others here I like anime and manga; a 20+ year fan, 28+ years if I count the years I grew up watching shows like Robotech and Starblazers in the late 70's early 80's repsectively. I have also been a fan of live action sci-fi shows for just as long; the numerous Star Trek incarnations, Stargate SG-1 (only w/ Richard Dean Anderson), Dr. Who, etc. Each have their own unique appeal. However, EvE is in its own niche and should not stray from that otherwise it would lessen the uniqueness that makes EvE so attractive to so many of us.

Personally, if they EVER implemented japanese style comic art into EvE character designs I'd quit as it would be ridiculously out of place. I suppose this is why I hate cosplayers so much, American cosplayers especially. Why? Do you really think hair dye and a wonder bra is going to convince me that you're XXX from YYY anime/game/manga? I mean that is IF I overlook the belly pouch?

Leora Nomen
Amarr
Posted - 2008.06.08 06:32:00 - [43]
 

err no, the moment this game gets anime in any shape or form i'm quitting

LetsDoThis
Posted - 2008.06.08 06:57:00 - [44]
 

No. Die you otaku scum.

Phrixus Zephyr
MEK Enterprises
Posted - 2008.06.08 07:49:00 - [45]
 

Hows about no?

Namurung
Posted - 2008.06.08 07:51:00 - [46]
 

When ambulation comes out, the fail scale will tip dangerously close to complete sucktitude.

Something Random
Gallente
The Barrow Boys
Posted - 2008.06.08 08:29:00 - [47]
 

Nuts to Manga..... I wanna be a wookie !!!

Summer's End
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.06.08 09:02:00 - [48]
 

lol furry.. Rolling Eyes

Ishquar Teh'Sainte
Euphoria Released
Merciless.
Posted - 2008.06.08 10:49:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: ShardowRhino

Its comparing rap to classical music. Anyone can rap if they spent a whopping 2 hours. you could make millions if you add enough foul language,talk of dirtywomen,drugs and lie about how many times youve been shot. None of those fools are ever going to sit down and write a peice of music that requires an orchestra covering the different roles of various instruments. One is "art" while the other is a "commercial product".



if you have such a clear distinction between "art" and "non-art" ... who's the one to decide what art actually is? the "consumer"? some historician? or the "artist" him/herself?

what about andy warhol? is his work art or just a commercial product?

are the cave paintings of lascaux (prehistorical) art? or is it just some smearing on the wall? are these wall paintings more "art" than modern wall paintings (graffiti & street art - e.g. banksy, harald naegili)?

to define what is "art" and what isn't, isn't just a question of aesthetics, but a question of power. all these questions are related to the power of definition - the power to define what is "art" and what is "commercial product", the power to define what is "right" and what is "wrong". Wink

fakedit: Razz

Tellenta
Gallente
versic LLC
Posted - 2008.06.08 21:01:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Bistot Kid
If Eve ever has anything to do with crappy Japanese Manga I'm going to throw my dummy out of my pram.


could you interpret this for us english speakers? Laughing

Tef42
Gallente
The Black Rabbits Academy
The Gurlstas Associates
Posted - 2008.06.08 21:28:00 - [51]
 

I want avatars like this rawr

Brujo Loco
Amarr
Brujeria Teologica
Posted - 2008.06.08 21:32:00 - [52]
 

If EVE ever came remotely close to looking like that I would ... arghh ... ldfjwejlrk2523~~

Manga/Hentai/Anime/Japatoons crap has its place , EVE is NOT one of those places ... thanx!

Final Fantasy Online is that way ---->
Hentai Crap is this way <----
Japanimation Fan Sites is over there ^


Biolaja Tista
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
Posted - 2008.06.08 22:32:00 - [53]
 

Edited by: Biolaja Tista on 08/06/2008 23:05:13
Apparently every single one of you missed the point: when Ambulation comes out, I am going to style my avatar based on that wallpaper within the constraints of the engine, clothing included. You have to admit that girl *is* attractive.

Generalizing Japanese artwork (anime/manga is considered actual art in Japan) only goes to show how stupid the person who generalizes it is, because making blanket statements is a stupid thing to do. Hating all anime/manga just because of the existence of the hentai subgenre is stupid, because not all anime/manga is hentai.

How would you like it if all white people were considered National Socialists because Adolf was white? Or all black people and Native Americans considered inferior because Europeans found it so easy to enslave them and take their land? Or all Muslims considered terrorists because extremists were responsible for various bombings around the world? No offense intended.

Alt Sauce
Posted - 2008.06.08 23:28:00 - [54]
 

How can a totally unrealistic cartoon be attractive?

Pans Exual
Minmatar
Super Batungwaa Ninja Warriors
0ccupational Hazzard
Posted - 2008.06.08 23:40:00 - [55]
 

to the above: ^^ *wan.k wan.k wan.k* weeaaabooooo

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2008.06.09 00:15:00 - [56]
 

As an animation student I have to stepin here.

style has nothing to do with whether or not the animation should be considered art.

Honestly lumping an y art into one medium is pure fail.

For example I can show you some really bad classical music and I show you "anime" that can be considered art.

I can show you 3D animation that is pure art and 3D animation is pure meh.

"Anime" as a style is something america came up with and honestly don't judge if something is art by a style, it just happens anime is a fad and thus like any fad "once again I brought up classical music" some is art, and a LARGE amouint of it bad just becuase i's popular and everyone wants to emulate it.


One last point japaness style art can actully hold true to correct proprotions, it's just rare.

SO next time you bash an art style relise that iut's called an art style becuase it can be art, it's just the art it'self that suck, not the style. the style can be just something you don't hold high on your list of great style when it comes to what sytle it could of been drawn in...

it's complacated but I hope you can understand what I mean :)

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2008.06.09 00:18:00 - [57]
 

Sorry mate but the style doesn't match eve.

Also I've seen better art in this style but the design work is nice around it.

Nicholas Barker
Deez Nuts.
Posted - 2008.06.09 01:22:00 - [58]
 

WEABOO!

KingOzar
Caldari
Skill Training Completed
Posted - 2008.06.10 00:52:00 - [59]
 

She's hot.

Guillame Herschel
Gallente
NME1
Posted - 2008.06.10 01:05:00 - [60]
 

Edited by: Guillame Herschel on 10/06/2008 01:06:06
Originally by: Biolaja Tista
Like the picture, only in photo-realistic 3D.

EDIT: It's Japanese-styled artwork. Just because something looks like that doesn't mean it's an anime/manga.


But it does mean it's a gigantic MEEEEE TOOOOOOOO!!!!

I want avatars that look like this classic style of animation:

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