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Buxaroo
Gallente
The Army of The Ori
IMPERIAL LEGI0N
Posted - 2008.06.03 18:29:00 - [1]
 

40GB bandwidth cap being on trial in Beaumont Texas

What can I say but that I am glad I am not living out in the sticks where people get hung over a barrel with this kind of bull****. 40GB....are they ****ing serious? I can go over the limit in a few days just from watching YouTube ffs. I truly feel sorry for all those small town people that have to put up with this ****. I live in Atlanta and if Comcast EVER even mentioned to me that they are putting this on trial.....hello Bellsouth.

For some reason this kind of crap gets under my skin. Even though it won't EVER effect me (I will never live out in the boondocks) I can feel for the people that will be effected.

If I were the Beaumont people I would drop T-W like ton of bricks and go with anything besides that. Or start a **** storm to get people's attention about Time-Warner taking advantage of small town people. It would CERTAIN suicide for them to even remotely hint that they were doing this in any decent sized metropolitan area.

Kirjava
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2008.06.03 18:35:00 - [2]
 

Divide by 10 and you have a normal bandwidth cap in the UK.

This is why Brits regularly complain about it Twisted Evil

Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Naqam
Posted - 2008.06.03 18:35:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Rawr Cristina on 03/06/2008 18:35:48
welcome to half of UK ISPs Sad

some of the 'basic' packages have as little as 2GB monthly allowance, on an 8MB connection.

Kirjava
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2008.06.03 18:40:00 - [4]
 

The theory behind it is companies buy less bandwidth than they actually claim to sell in the UK, forced the well priced ones that were realistic out the market as granny and the twins thought cheaper = better.

Well that was very nice 5 years ago, its biting them in the foot as people are using the internets for more than email and browsing, ISPs are seeing their profits dip as customers swap around.... only to realise its the same deal accorss the board.

Britian needs more bandwidth at a fundamental level but as long as people pay for the current service companies are happy to use a copper network from the 60s to run the internet Neutral

nahtoh
Caldari
Brotherhood of The Saltire
EVE Animal Control
Posted - 2008.06.03 18:47:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Kirjava
The theory behind it is companies buy less bandwidth than they actually claim to sell in the UK, forced the well priced ones that were realistic out the market as granny and the twins thought cheaper = better.

Well that was very nice 5 years ago, its biting them in the foot as people are using the internets for more than email and browsing, ISPs are seeing their profits dip as customers swap around.... only to realise its the same deal accorss the board.

Britian needs more bandwidth at a fundamental level but as long as people pay for the current service companies are happy to use a copper network from the 60s to run the internet Neutral


Not all ISPs in the UK operate in this manner o2/BE don't...checkout the thinkbroadband.co.uk o2 forum, pretty much empty of the usual bitterness and bile that you find in the other ISP forums...

Which working in the o2 helpdesk its actually a plesure to read those forums.

Morbius Bloodstar
Caldari
Aperture Harmonics
Posted - 2008.06.03 18:47:00 - [6]
 

massachusetts US

Comcast is leading company, no bandwidth cap :)
upto 24mb/s

Buxaroo
Gallente
The Army of The Ori
IMPERIAL LEGI0N
Posted - 2008.06.03 18:52:00 - [7]
 

I have heard about the horrors of the UK ISP's and you have my sympathy. This is why a free market works just because of these kinds of situations. I am normally on the fence in regards to complete capitalism (seeing how the last 8 years in my country has certainly shown the extent that adhering to a 100% free market isn't the answer to everything), but metered bandwidth is just crazy. Bandwidth isn't oil, bandwidth isn't water, bandwidth isn't corn. It's not something we are "running out of".

Yeah, sure we can argue that it is a commodity and all that. But do you realize how if all ISP's metered their services how that would effect things, creatively AND economically? Sure, the ISP's would make more moeny, but not much. Meanwhile creative things like "Clear Skies" or the latest YouTube videos or even sharing of homemade movies would be a thing of the past because no one in their right mind is going to pay an ISP extra money.

Buxaroo
Gallente
The Army of The Ori
IMPERIAL LEGI0N
Posted - 2008.06.03 18:56:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Morbius Bloodstar
massachusetts US

Comcast is leading company, no bandwidth cap :)
upto 24mb/s


Amen brother. I like Comcast a lot. But I got some friends who live in Peublo Colorado and they say it's really bad with Comcast and that they are lucky to get a 4meg connection and there are no other broadband companies ugh

Kyanzes
Amarr
Muppet Ninja's
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
Posted - 2008.06.03 19:48:00 - [9]
 

I always love to hear word from the land of plenty. 40GB bandwith limit? Fuel is a little above a dollar a liter? Laughing This is the end I tell you Smile

xHalcyonx
Amarr
About To Die
Predatory Instincts
Posted - 2008.06.03 20:10:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Buxaroo
40GB bandwidth cap being on trial in Beaumont Texas

What can I say but that I am glad I am not living out in the sticks where people get hung over a barrel with this kind of bull****. 40GB....are they ****ing serious? I can go over the limit in a few days just from watching YouTube ffs. I truly feel sorry for all those small town people that have to put up with this ****. I live in Atlanta and if Comcast EVER even mentioned to me that they are putting this on trial.....hello Bellsouth.

For some reason this kind of crap gets under my skin. Even though it won't EVER effect me (I will never live out in the boondocks) I can feel for the people that will be effected.

If I were the Beaumont people I would drop T-W like ton of bricks and go with anything besides that. Or start a **** storm to get people's attention about Time-Warner taking advantage of small town people. It would CERTAIN suicide for them to even remotely hint that they were doing this in any decent sized metropolitan area.


Well, I have bellsouth (living at my parents house while I go to community college) and I far exceed 40gb a month.

I drove through Beaumont yesterday and it is a tiny town so it probably won't be so bad there.

Also, to the OP, where in Atlanta do you live?
I live in Gwinnett county.

4rc4ng3L
Gallente
C R Y O
Posted - 2008.06.03 20:11:00 - [11]
 

40gb hahahah

I have a 20gb limit in ireland.... and thats considered GOOD here ugh

Benco97
Gallente
Terraprobe Dynamics
Posted - 2008.06.03 20:15:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: 4rc4ng3L
40gb hahahah

I have a 20gb limit in ireland.... and thats considered GOOD here ugh


Yeah, I've got a connection with a 3gb limit and people complain about MAYBE having a 40gb limit? Rolling Eyes

pwnedgato
Posted - 2008.06.03 20:28:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: pwnedgato on 03/06/2008 20:30:49
How is it possible to live with limits at all? I average about 10 gb of up/down traffic on a light day...

Imperator Jora'h
Posted - 2008.06.03 20:48:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 03/06/2008 20:51:39
Originally by: Buxaroo
Originally by: Morbius Bloodstar
massachusetts US

Comcast is leading company, no bandwidth cap :)
upto 24mb/s


Amen brother. I like Comcast a lot.


LIKE the cable companies? They will screw you the second they figure a way to get away with it.

Have you missed the bits where Comcast is using deep packet inspection (DPI) technology to disable file sharing? Basically they'd look at your data stream and if they saw file sharing (even legal...they have no way of knowing which is which) they pose as your computer and send a signal to the other computer terminating the connection (Comcast forging packets to interfere with user traffic).

Don't trust them. And god help you if you need customer support from them.

There are other companies looking to use DPI to push advertising to you. Potentially even mucking with your search results to favor those that pay the ISP.

Then there are some toying with asking companies to pay money for improved bandwidth. If you are Company X and a (for example) Comcast customer visits your site unless you pay Comcast they will throttle your bandwidth.

US companies may offer vastly more bandwidth but are looking to screw you out of it in different ways. Naturally the current US Administration refuses to support any net neutrality initiatives. Let's hope the next president will.

Faekurias
Muppet Ninja's
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
Posted - 2008.06.03 20:58:00 - [15]
 

Wow, that's some dumb bull**** right there, what is that ****?

Gone'Postal
Roast and Toast Inc.
Posted - 2008.06.03 22:09:00 - [16]
 

Thats some ****ed up ****

Uk
Bethere
upto 24mb (I get 23 now i've done a few tweaks)
No cap
2.5 upload

Kravick Drasari
Posted - 2008.06.03 22:13:00 - [17]
 

Time Warner? Thats Roadrunner, right?

Verone
Gallente
Veto Corp
Posted - 2008.06.04 00:42:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Verone on 04/06/2008 00:43:26

lollercoaster!

Unlimited download limit 22 meg down, 2.5 meg up broadband for 22 quid a month with a solid, dependable and reliable connection. \o/

and if anyone wants to quote "fair useage policies" try downloading/uploading just under half a terabyte of data in a month and your ISP not even battering an eyelid.

Very Happy


Buxaroo
Gallente
The Army of The Ori
IMPERIAL LEGI0N
Posted - 2008.06.04 02:28:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: Buxaroo on 04/06/2008 02:28:48
Originally by: xHalcyonx

Also, to the OP, where in Atlanta do you live?
I live in Gwinnett county.


Right off of Buford HWY. Actually, I can take a stroll and end up at the Pink Pony within 5 minutes Cool

nahtoh
Caldari
Brotherhood of The Saltire
EVE Animal Control
Posted - 2008.06.04 02:30:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Verone
Edited by: Verone on 04/06/2008 00:43:26

lollercoaster!

Unlimited download limit 22 meg down, 2.5 meg up broadband for 22 quid a month with a solid, dependable and reliable connection. \o/

and if anyone wants to quote "fair useage policies" try downloading/uploading just under half a terabyte of data in a month and your ISP not even battering an eyelid.

Very Happy




Yeah the AUP of o2/Be is pretty much "don't be a prick about it" or as the AUP states it "don't impact other users"...But there have been no reported emails sent out about it.

pwnedgato
Posted - 2008.06.04 02:31:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Verone
Edited by: Verone on 04/06/2008 00:43:26

lollercoaster!

Unlimited download limit 22 meg down, 2.5 meg up broadband for 22 quid a month with a solid, dependable and reliable connection. \o/

and if anyone wants to quote "fair useage policies" try downloading/uploading just under half a terabyte of data in a month and your ISP not even battering an eyelid.

Very Happy



Who is that? Verizon's Fios service is rather similar to that for me. 20 up/20 down and they've never so much as mentioned my massive usage.

mamolian
Cruoris Seraphim
Posted - 2008.06.04 02:45:00 - [22]
 

I'd be very surprised if you could use 40 gig of bandwidth watching youtube.. My transfer limit is 30 gigs a month.. and never go anywhere near it.. even with regular torrent downloads..

Kravick Drasari
Posted - 2008.06.04 04:31:00 - [23]
 

Is there a free site I can visit to find out how much bandwidth I use in a given day?

Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari
Emminent Terraforming
O.G.-Alliance
Posted - 2008.06.04 05:48:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: Viktor Fyretracker on 04/06/2008 05:48:44
guess id be in trouble if i had RR....
http://www.solarflare.tv/gigs.jpg

edit: changed an img to url!

defiler
Mad Hermit
Wayward Alliance
Posted - 2008.06.04 05:59:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Kravick Drasari
Is there a free site I can visit to find out how much bandwidth I use in a given day?
I don't know about you, but I certainly hope there's no website that keeps track of my bandwidth usage...

There's plenty of programs that'll do that for you though, like the one in the above post (not familiar with it) or Netlimiter which I happen to use (yeahyeah, I know it's buggy etc). Even the free version (Monitor) should be able to tell you how many truckloads you fill tubes you clog up.

RichThugster
Gallente
Quantum Industries
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2008.06.04 06:03:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: RichThugster on 04/06/2008 06:11:08
Originally by: Buxaroo
Bandwidth isn't oil, bandwidth isn't water, bandwidth isn't corn. It's not something we are "running out of".



Its not capped because there is a shortage, its capped to prevent people abusing it. The bandwidth does cost the ISP money per Xgb. Since internet speeds have gotten faster its now not just a reality to download all your music (legally or illegally), its also very common that people download films/tv programs. There is an increasing number of tv companies (certainly in the UK) that are allowing on demand tv-watching through the internet. Using this service, you can watch any program shown thru the TV on that channel from the last 7 days or more.

Back before speeds were this high, you had internet users that checked their email and did some light surfing (maybe a few 100mb) and a smaller minority used it for "hardcore" music/**** downloading, (maybe a few gig).
Currently there are similar people who do their light browsing, but the "hardcore" people now download hundreds of gb a month. Id imagine in my house the region between 150-200gb is used, as we watch lots of programs on demand, and bittorrent others.

Due to the increase in bandwidth used by the ISP's should they
A) make a loss
B)charge EVERYONE (both internet browser ppl, and hardcore downloaders) more?
C) introduce caps, which (unfairly according to you) charge the people who use more, more money.

I disagree totally with download caps, especially the way you usually have to read the T&Cs to actually find the stated cap. I used to work in a shop where broadband internet was a service we sold. Where we live there are fibre optic lines (which currently have no cap) whereas pretty much all other ISP's (ADSL) do have caps in place. Indeed getting cabled internet is often more expensive per month, but if the consumer is going to use that much of a service, then they pay for it.

Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari
Emminent Terraforming
O.G.-Alliance
Posted - 2008.06.04 06:06:00 - [27]
 

i hear lots of noise about things like the BBC player making ISPs angry, im wondering does cable in the UK have any form of On Demand like we do here in the US?

On Demand is basicly Video on Demand via your cable STB and is totally seperate of the internet service.

Kravick Drasari
Posted - 2008.06.04 06:33:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker
Edited by: Viktor Fyretracker on 04/06/2008 05:48:44
guess id be in trouble if i had RR....
http://www.solarflare.tv/gigs.jpg

edit: changed an img to url!


Whats that program called that you're using in that link?

Znaei
Caldari
Thundercats
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2008.06.04 13:07:00 - [29]
 

I live in Iceland so our case is a bit different, as we are in the middle of nowhere and rely on cables to Europe and US.
All ISP's here have approx 60-80gb limit on foreign download (domestic is unlimited). If you exceed the limit, in most cases you will get limited (half) speed the next month.
The reason they do that is because if everybody had unlimited download for torrents etc, all other traffic (http etc) would be significaly slower. And since its only about 10% of the total customers that dl alot, its better to limit it, rather than having 90% ofyour customers unhappy. Besides, I think 80gb is alot.

For ISP's, buying bandwith is very, very expensive and not cost effective.

MAXSuicide
Core Impulse
Posted - 2008.06.04 13:09:00 - [30]
 

Edited by: MAXSuicide on 04/06/2008 13:12:45
Originally by: Rawr Cristina
Edited by: Rawr Cristina on 03/06/2008 18:35:48
welcome to half of UK ISPs Sad

some of the 'basic' packages have as little as 2GB monthly allowance, on an 8MB connection.


never realised it was that bad.. jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez.

lucky i dont have limits :D or at least, if i do, ive never had anyone ***** at me about exceeding it.


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