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YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
Posted - 2008.05.29 11:10:00 - [1]
 


Suppose I found a way to tank 18000 DPS. Does that even matter in a fleet fight?

Riho
Gallente
Drop of Blood
Posted - 2008.05.29 11:11:00 - [2]
 

depends how long can you tank like that.. if u can do it for 1min... its useless... if u can do it for 20 minz... then yes it does matter

YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
Posted - 2008.05.29 11:13:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Riho
depends how long can you tank like that.. if u can do it for 1min... its useless... if u can do it for 20 minz... then yes it does matter


Indefinitely.

How large should a fleet be to outdamage my tank?



Furb Killer
Gallente
Posted - 2008.05.29 11:19:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Furb Killer on 29/05/2008 11:20:36
18 close range battleships can outdamage that, group dreads (arround 5, depending on exact setup) will also do it.

Akilum
Gallente
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2008.05.29 11:20:00 - [5]
 

Around 4 dreadnaughts in siege mode should do it, but those would have to be 4 Moros's. Those are the only ones I know DPS wise.

YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
Posted - 2008.05.29 11:35:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: YouGotRipped on 29/05/2008 11:35:51
Assuming skills to level 5 and slave implants:

Wyvern

LOW
4x Chelm's modified capacitor power relay

MED
2x Capital Shield booster
Pith X-type Heat dissipation field
Pith X-type Photon scattering field
2x Estamel's modified Invulnerability field
2x Estamel's modified Shield boost amplifier

HIGH
1x Capital shield transfer.

RIGS
2x CCC II, 1x Core defence Field extender

Tanked DPS: 18229 indefinitely (assuming you dont turn on the shield transfer)
HPs: 4.17m

mama guru
Gallente
Thundercats
Posted - 2008.05.29 11:42:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: mama guru on 29/05/2008 11:47:26
You go for resistance and capacitor/Armor HP over Effective DPS tank. Because in a fleet fight you wont last that long anyway without support. You need a huge buffer tank to be able to survive long enough for your fellow capitalships to lock you up and start repairing, thats including the lag you're bound to have issues with.

Keep your wyvern, after seeing what a 90% Aeon with 870k armor can soak up with 5+ remote repairing Motherships i think i know what i'll throw my money at.


Take this for example:

Aeon:
Slave set.
2x T2 Trimarks
1x T1 Trimark

4x Core X type hardners.
2x Core A type EANM
Damage control II
Capital Armor repairer.

+90% resists to all. Explosive at around 89.5+

870,000 armor HP. EHP? Go figure.

eXtas
NibbleTek
Posted - 2008.05.29 11:46:00 - [8]
 

that Wyvern will probobly die just as fast as a t2 tanked in a fight :) and with that loot I want to be ninjalooting :P

achoura
Posted - 2008.05.29 11:46:00 - [9]
 

Oh idk, most annoying mom i ever killed took well over 3 hours (fleets on both sides) with triple reps, and that's only around 10k tanked.

On the other hand even officer fit he was a hell of alot cheaper than those invuls this guys talking about but if you've got the isk go pwn Very Happy

YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
Posted - 2008.05.29 11:50:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: YouGotRipped on 29/05/2008 16:43:58

Aeon

LOW
Damage control II
2x Capital Armor repairer
2x Corpum A-type EANM
Core X-type Armor Kinetic hardener
Core X-type Armor Thermal hardener
Core X-type Armor Explosive hardener

MED
4x Chelm's modified Cap recharger

HIGH
6x Capital Remote Armor Repairer

RIGS
Trimark Armor Pump II
2x CCC II

Tanked DPS 8864 indefinitely (you could probably turn on 2 CRARs)
HPs 7.78m

Cap is +573 / -220

YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
Posted - 2008.05.29 11:52:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: YouGotRipped on 29/05/2008 11:57:10

Originally by: mama guru


Take this for example:

Aeon:
Slave set.
2x T2 Trimarks
1x T1 Trimark

4x Core X type hardners.
2x Core A type EANM
Damage control II
Capital Armor repairer.

+90% resists to all. Explosive at around 89.5+

870,000 armor HP. EHP? Go figure.


so what you're going to do without the CCCs, sit there, beg for primary and watch your fleet die?
Not to mention the time it would take you to recharge your cap and jump in case things turn messy.

Furb Killer
Gallente
Posted - 2008.05.29 11:57:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Furb Killer on 29/05/2008 11:57:38
That one only got one repper and relies on buffer, so isnt as cap dependant as yours.

You dont even have smartbombs in your highs...

Gamesguy
Amarr
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2008.05.29 11:59:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Gamesguy on 29/05/2008 11:58:58
Originally by: YouGotRipped
Edited by: YouGotRipped on 29/05/2008 11:51:04
Aeon

LOW
Damage control II
2x Capital Armor repairer
2x Corpum A-type EANM
Core X-type Armor Kinetic hardener
Core X-type Armor Thermal hardener
Core X-type Armor Explosive hardener

MED
4x Chelm's modified Cap recharger

HIGH
6x Capital Remote Armor Repairer

RIGS
Trimark Armor Pump II
2x CCC II

Tanked DPS 8864 indefinitely (you could probably turn on 2 CRARs)
HPs 7.78m





Thats the most stupid EFTing I've seen in a while.

Yes lets spend the cost of a titan on a mothership.

YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
Posted - 2008.05.29 11:59:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: YouGotRipped on 29/05/2008 12:00:54
Originally by: Furb Killer


You dont even have smartbombs in your highs...


I just wanted to point out that there's enough CPU and PG to fit 6 CRARs. Use your creativity Luke!

CuttleMoose
Minmatar
Posted - 2008.05.29 12:00:00 - [15]
 

wats the difference between ur recharge and ur usage cap wise? i reckon a curse or two would kinda ruin ur day :D

and ur wallet :P


mama guru
Gallente
Thundercats
Posted - 2008.05.29 12:00:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: mama guru on 29/05/2008 12:01:05
Originally by: YouGotRipped
Edited by: YouGotRipped on 29/05/2008 11:57:10

Originally by: mama guru


Take this for example:

Aeon:
Slave set.
2x T2 Trimarks
1x T1 Trimark

4x Core X type hardners.
2x Core A type EANM
Damage control II
Capital Armor repairer.

+90% resists to all. Explosive at around 89.5+

870,000 armor HP. EHP? Go figure.


so what you're going to do without the CCCs, sit there, beg for primary and watch your fleet die?
Not to mention the time it would take you to recharge your cap and jump in case things turn messy.


Well TBFH the rigs aint that important really. Because that much of a HP buffer is a bit excessive, Point is that if you know what youre doing as a cap pilot there is no discussion in what you should fit in your last lowslot if the choice is a second capital rep or a damage control II/other hardening module.

I would personally use CCC rigs over the setup i posted, which was just an example. But Investing in an LG/HG Slave set is definately worth the isk if you fly a Mothership.

Furb Killer
Gallente
Posted - 2008.05.29 12:01:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Furb Killer on 29/05/2008 12:01:35
Originally by: YouGotRipped
Originally by: Furb Killer


You dont even have smartbombs in your highs...


I just wanted to point out that there's enough CPU and PG to fit 6 CRARs. But use your brain for a change.


And that is usefull how?

btw, the EFT warrior that makes setups that let a titan look like a cheap toy tells me i should use my brains?

YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
Posted - 2008.05.29 12:02:00 - [18]
 

Well I'm definitely going Amarr for the MS.

zayanka
Posted - 2008.05.29 12:03:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: zayanka on 29/05/2008 12:06:34
i remember watching a video, when shrike's titan went down. He was receiving wayyyyy more then 18k dps. As far as I understand, that sort of ship, titans, motherships rely a lot on support. It doesnt realy matter that you can tank solo 18k dps, that what 4 dreads shooting at you in siege mode. In real capital pvp, you live until your gang mates be alive. Once they stop cap/shield boosting you it will be a matter of minutes till you go down.

Also I loaded quickfit and what you get there 600 cap/s, but do you realise that you will have several bs and curses on you with neutralisers. Your cap without support will be dissapearing so quickly.

Furb Killer
Gallente
Posted - 2008.05.29 12:03:00 - [20]
 

They got amarr MS + char that can fly them on ebay?

YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
Posted - 2008.05.29 12:04:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: mama guru

Well TBFH the rigs aint that important really. Because that much of a HP buffer is a bit excessive, Point is that if you know what youre doing as a cap pilot there is no discussion in what you should fit in your last lowslot if the choice is a second capital rep or a damage control II/other hardening module.

I would personally use CCC rigs over the setup i posted, which was just an example. But Investing in an LG/HG Slave set is definately worth the isk if you fly a Mothership.


skills to 5, slavesets, trimarks = 11.5m+ HPs.
I am toying with EFT btw.

Furb Killer
Gallente
Posted - 2008.05.29 12:06:00 - [22]
 

Quote:
I am toying with EFT btw.


No **** captain obvious.

YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
Posted - 2008.05.29 12:08:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Furb Killer
Quote:
I am toying with EFT btw.


No **** captain obvious.


word!

Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2008.05.29 12:16:00 - [24]
 

Tbh motherships can field a quite impressive tank on their own so fitting them for buffer isn't really needed, they have impressive EHP as-is. Rather, make sure you can run the setup reliably as neuts are your second-worst enemy (besides a pack of dreads). My relatively cheap Wyv setup can permatank 11k DPS with loads of cap spare to be neuted, which should give me time to neut/kill/jam the HICs holding me down when i do get hotdropped.


Kay Rissa
Extreme Carebears
Posted - 2008.05.29 12:17:00 - [25]
 

why the hell would you put 50 billions (tbh i dont know how many exactly) worth of modules on a ship, which cost 15 or so and mostly relyes on fleet support.

Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
Naraka.
Posted - 2008.05.29 13:17:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Kay Rissa
why the hell would you put 50 billions (tbh i dont know how many exactly) worth of modules on a ship, which cost 15 or so and mostly relyes on fleet support.

Because you can? ^_^

Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2008.05.29 14:09:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Originally by: Kay Rissa
why the hell would you put 50 billions (tbh i dont know how many exactly) worth of modules on a ship, which cost 15 or so and mostly relyes on fleet support.

Because you can? ^_^


Well 50b is a bit extreme but in the range of 5 - 10 - 20B is certainly reasonable. Fortunatly the way i've fitted it, allows me to go with a reasonable cheap fititng while still performing equal or much better than other, more conventional fits. A little out-of-the-box thinking goes a long way Cool

FlameGlow
Gypsy Band
Posted - 2008.05.29 14:33:00 - [28]
 

Edited by: FlameGlow on 29/05/2008 14:33:46
Originally by: Sokratesz
Tbh motherships can field a quite impressive tank on their own so fitting them for buffer isn't really needed, they have impressive EHP as-is. Rather, make sure you can run the setup reliably as neuts are your second-worst enemy (besides a pack of dreads). My relatively cheap Wyv setup can permatank 11k DPS with loads of cap spare to be neuted, which should give me time to neut/kill/jam the HICs holding me down when i do get hotdropped.



Anyone has passive tanked mom setups? Laughing
EFT future warriors can use estamel's X-Large shield extenedrs for thoseLaughing

YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
Posted - 2008.05.29 14:34:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: YouGotRipped on 29/05/2008 15:50:23
Originally by: Sokratesz
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Originally by: Kay Rissa
why the hell would you put 50 billions (tbh i dont know how many exactly) worth of modules on a ship, which cost 15 or so and mostly relyes on fleet support.

Because you can? ^_^


Well 50b is a bit extreme but in the range of 5 - 10 - 20B is certainly reasonable. Fortunatly the way i've fitted it, allows me to go with a reasonable cheap fititng while still performing equal or much better than other, more conventional fits. A little out-of-the-box thinking goes a long way Cool


Can you give me a few hints? :D mail maybe?
I've decided for Aeon anyway but I'm curious.

Did you use Power diagnostics?

BiggestT
Caldari
Amarrian Retribution
Posted - 2008.05.29 14:36:00 - [30]
 

Some1 tell me why the aeon is apparently sooo much better than the wyvern?
I mean surely ccp wouldnt say when designing them..Lets see..motherships..15bill..lets make the aeon beter than the wyvern in every possible aspect.
Surely the Wyvern must have something going for it?


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