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Graic
Posted - 2008.05.27 12:34:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Graic on 27/05/2008 12:35:53
Edited by: Graic on 27/05/2008 12:35:44
G'Day,

CCP - yes, I can understand the requirement for a downtime.

Makes sense, asteroids need to respawn, junk needs to be tidied up, servers need to be backed up etc. I get that and accept it.

However, I've noticed that the DT is getting longer and longer with more frequesnt extended downtimes. This is pretty annoying for people who are awake and get hit with this. And to be frank it's becoming a bit of a turn off - moreso as I get to pay to watch the server not accepting connections for a long, long time very, very often.

I know I'm in a "quiet" timezone but there must be some consideration that the duration of DT plonked in the evening when people actually have time to sit down and play (i.e. kids in bed) is probably making some people stay away from your game.

Therefore, why don't you use the "quiet" timezone to your advantage? Why not "roll" your DT across the galaxy? Systems could be locked out, people who don't jump out have to accept a short DT, people who want to keep playing can hop over to another system and all is good. I appreciate that there may be congestion as some people try to jump out - but hey, if they don't make it out before DT then, that's just bad luck, and theoretically the DT should be quite short for an individual as it's just your system that resets. And to be honest many systems you see only have 10-15 people in them anyway. It's only trading centres that may have the issue - and I'll bet 90% of them are just idling anyway.

I appreciate that this would require a few more smarts in your application and I'm not asking you to move the DT so the US shares the pain (I can see the economic reality) but to be honest I can't see DT getting any less as the months drag on without some kind of step change like this.

You can't run a global MMO and treat it like you have business hours forever.

Cheers.

Estel Arador
Posted - 2008.05.27 12:36:00 - [2]
 

Originally by: Graic
Why not "roll" your DT across the galaxy? Systems could be locked out, people who don't jump out have to accept a short DT, people who want to keep playing can hop over to another system and all is good.


No doubt some (if not all) tasks require the entire server to be down.
Also downtime is not getting longer and longer. Only occasionally it's late.

Xtreem
Gallente
The Collective
White Noise.
Posted - 2008.05.27 12:37:00 - [3]
 

im sorry but thats just a bad idea and makes things alot more hard work for ccp.

the longer downtimes are no doubt in prep for the new expansion or fixing up bugs

Daniel zorg
Caldari
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2008.05.27 12:38:00 - [4]
 

Downtime is done at 11am CCP's Timezone.
Every aussie gets hit with it suck it up and deal with it ... id much rather have an extended downtime by 5 minutes than the server crashing for 3 hours after dt because something was rushed

Celeste Coeval
The Gosimer and Scarab
Posted - 2008.05.27 12:42:00 - [5]
 

tragic, god forbid anyone be human but you.

copasetic sideways
Posted - 2008.05.27 12:47:00 - [6]
 

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Kharadran Sullath
Caldari
Subordination
Posted - 2008.05.27 13:03:00 - [7]
 

More server downtime prior to a large expansion? Good golly! How will we ever cope?
The increase isn't even that palpable. I've noticed no difference in regular downtime length either.

Primnproper
Posted - 2008.05.27 13:04:00 - [8]
 

Glad to see the ****s are out in force as always....

But yeah i'd imagine that a downtime like you suggested would cause more problems than it fixed because the entire server was never down, but i can't see any reason why the time of downtime couldn't change so that its not always smack bang in the middle of your play time, maybe have it so that it moves up and down the day from 10 - 4 gmt or something at least that way it wouldn't always get you....

Lord Haur
Amarr
Grim Determination
Posted - 2008.05.27 13:54:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Primnproper
i can't see any reason why the time of downtime couldn't change


I can. Server downtime is currently in the middle of the working day UK/Icelandic time, where the server/CCP is based. That gives all the server monkeys time to get into work, prepare for DT, do it, and some time afterwards to clear up and/or incase they do something wrong and need to fix it. 10am gives little time to prepare for DT, and 4pm gives little time to fix stuff that goes wrong.

It sucks that some people have their primetime clash with DT, but you know what they say Life is.

Space Runt
Posted - 2008.05.27 13:55:00 - [10]
 

we get suggestions on changing DT every other month (okay your's is different from most i've read previously) however as has been stated there is a major patch otw.

Yes recently the DT has ran over by a few minutes for a few days, but how many time has the hour long DT only been 30 mins??

And finally, DT is set to the current time because the Server is in the London, therefore it makes sense (at least does to me) to have it early in the day to pick up on any problems that occur during DT or general game time.

And as for rolling the DT out a system/node at a time this would cause too many problems due to server side patches + server maintenance.

Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.05.27 13:57:00 - [11]
 

Doesn't matter where you put downtime, someone would be ****ed off about it. As long as it's not you that's ok, right?

CrayC
Gallente
CrayC Inc.
Posted - 2008.05.27 14:03:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Space Runt
And finally, DT is set to the current time because the Server is in the London, therefore it makes sense (at least does to me) to have it early in the day to pick up on any problems that occur during DT or general game time.


Adding to that:
By having downtime at noon local time, CCP's tech-geeks have all morning to prepare for whatever stuff they might need to do during downtime (hotfixes etc, outside of normal procedures). Come noon, they take the server down and do their thing. Should something go wrong, which we all know can happen, they have all afternoon to fix it. And the evening and night, if needed. If CCP put the downtime in any other time of day, it would be more costy. Set it a few hours earlier, they have to prepare earlier, which means call in staff earlier and pay the extra. A few hours later, they lose time to do emergency fixes in the normal work-hours and would have to pay for overtime...

Pilot Abilene
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.05.27 14:21:00 - [13]
 

Would be great if the server could last more than a day without DT. Maybe 3-4 days and have an extended DT by 2-3 hours. At least then ppl in the evening timezones could plan their playtime a little better. As an Aussie i find that the 1 hour DT is right in the middle of my night 8:30-9:30. When you have got to get up early to earn a living the next morning there is not much you can do after DT before you go to sleep. Speaking as the minority though i doubt things will change. It doesn't bother me too much, just wishful thinkingSmile If I have to do things that require time in game I will do it on the weekends if i am not busy.

Grarr Dexx
Amarr
Kumovi
The G0dfathers
Posted - 2008.05.27 14:47:00 - [14]
 

Here we go again.

'weh ccp i pay $15 i am your overlord and master do my bidding'

Primnproper
Posted - 2008.05.27 14:49:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Grarr Dexx
Here we go again.

'weh ccp i pay $15 i am your overlord and master do my bidding'


Your understanding of this thread is impressive, especially after you so clearly haven't read anything other than the title Evil or Very Mad

Hanneshannes
Posted - 2008.05.27 14:50:00 - [16]
 

Hm, I never actually thought about this but then again, I'm usually busy when DT strikes since I live in teh UK.

Shintai
Gallente
Arx Io Orbital Factories
Arx Io
Posted - 2008.05.27 14:53:00 - [17]
 

If DT +/- 15minutes is too much for some people. Then they should put up an ad to get a life. Or go outside for the first time ever.

Primnproper
Posted - 2008.05.27 15:03:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Shintai
If DT +/- 15minutes is too much for some people. Then they should put up an ad to get a life. Or go outside for the first time ever.


Easy to say but if downtime struck at 8pm every night i reckon you'd feel differently.

Though i dont know why i care i'm uk based anyway.....

Roshan longshot
Gallente
Ordos Humanitas
Posted - 2008.05.27 15:22:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Primnproper
Originally by: Shintai
If DT +/- 15minutes is too much for some people. Then they should put up an ad to get a life. Or go outside for the first time ever.


Easy to say but if downtime struck at 8pm every night i reckon you'd feel differently.

Though i dont know why i care i'm uk based anyway.....


And somwhere its a 7pm, 6 pm. 5pm, 4pm.....How about moving it randomly around the boards???? Monday anywhere between 00:01-05:30...and give no warning when its going to happen...




z0de
The Bastards
The Bastards.
Posted - 2008.05.27 15:36:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: z0de on 27/05/2008 15:36:17
Originally by: Lord HaurServer
downtime is currently in the middle of the working day UK/Icelandic time, where the server/CCP is based. That gives all the server monkeys
a lunchbreak.

Ellmar
Posted - 2008.05.27 15:54:00 - [21]
 

no this idear sucks DT is in the middle of my time too when i can play eve as i live in the uk but work nights. i have been playing eve for nearly 3 years now and i just get on with it. so can you if you dont like it then leave i dont even want your stuff.

good bye

Primnproper
Posted - 2008.05.28 11:25:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Roshan longshot
Originally by: Primnproper
Originally by: Shintai
If DT +/- 15minutes is too much for some people. Then they should put up an ad to get a life. Or go outside for the first time ever.


Easy to say but if downtime struck at 8pm every night i reckon you'd feel differently.

Though i dont know why i care i'm uk based anyway.....


And somwhere its a 7pm, 6 pm. 5pm, 4pm.....How about moving it randomly around the boards???? Monday anywhere between 00:01-05:30...and give no warning when its going to happen...






Or perhaps have it moving by 12 hour each day witht time it will be published in advance....

Cutter Isaacson
Minmatar
Spycotics
Posted - 2008.05.28 11:40:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: Cutter Isaacson on 28/05/2008 11:45:58
Why is it that people think they know the best way to "do this" or "do that" in an MMO? Just let CCP get on with running it their way as they have been doing very very well for the last 5 years.

How about we just post a nice big sticky on this and every other forum page, stating why downtime is set to the time it as and why it is done in the way it is, then insta ban every thread that's started containg a whine about moving/altering downtime.

Problem solved.

Graic
Posted - 2008.05.28 12:06:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: copasetic sideways
oh noes... 60-90 mins oog... whatever to do?

here are some suggestions to help pass the time:

a) watch some tee vee
b) play something else
c) have a languid ****
d) throw yourself under a train


I have no problem with people not agreeing with a suggestion but bringing nothing to the table but insults doesn't add much.

Originally by: Grarr Dexx
Here we go again.

'weh ccp i pay $15 i am your overlord and master do my bidding'


Well obviously you didn't read the thread.

Originally by: Shintai
If DT +/- 15minutes is too much for some people. Then they should put up an ad to get a life. Or go outside for the first time ever.


I think you miss the point. It's AFTER a day of work, family etc. the first chance most people in the east of Australia get to sit down and bang - DT.

Originally by: Cutter Isaacson
Edited by: Cutter Isaacson on 28/05/2008 11:45:58How about we just post a nice big sticky on this and every other forum page, stating why downtime is set to the time it as and why it is done in the way it is, then insta ban every thread that's started containg a whine about moving/altering downtime.

Problem solved.


And you feel you can comment on MY suggestion?

Honestly, you people are very ordinary.

A post that doesn't suggest that DT should be removed, moved, but simply an idea INFINITELY possible with today's technology and all you can do is snipe. Nice.

You can lock now Mods.

CCP Wrangler

Posted - 2008.05.28 12:10:00 - [25]
 

Normally the downtime is less than the hour we take for it, however sometimes we use the full hour or even a bit of extra time. This is mainly due to maintenance or hotfixes and similar. Downtimes are just a necessary evil really, but we continue to work on improving their function so we can use less time to do what we have to do.

copasetic sideways
Posted - 2008.05.28 12:13:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Graic
A post that doesn't suggest that DT should be removed, moved, but simply an idea INFINITELY possible with today's technology and all you can do is snipe. Nice.


Originally by: Graic
INFINITELY possible with today's technology and all you can do is snipe. Nice.


Originally by: Graic
INFINITELY possible with today's technology


Originally by: Graic
INFINITELY possible


and this is why you fail.

/yoda

quickshot89
Caldari
89th Logistics
Posted - 2008.05.28 12:16:00 - [27]
 

you dont like the server going down at 7-8 am in your timezone? think yourself lucky, its the middle of the day when it goes down for me (12-1 due to DST etc) and id much rather have it go down at 7, so ican have a longer sleep

really, the world doesnt revolve around america

Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.05.28 12:40:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: quickshot89
you dont like the server going down at 7-8 am in your timezone? think yourself lucky, its the middle of the day when it goes down for me (12-1 due to DST etc) and id much rather have it go down at 7, so ican have a longer sleep

really, the world doesnt revolve around america

The issue people have (aussies mostly) is that it happens at 7-8 PM, not AM. The average person in north america is either sleeping away happily dreaming of officer spawns, or heading to work / at work.

Grarr Dexx
Amarr
Kumovi
The G0dfathers
Posted - 2008.05.28 12:48:00 - [29]
 

7-8PM would mean Middle-east or even Asia, in which case they should maybe go to Multiplicity.

Heavens forbid you can't play Eve Online for 45 - 75 minutes. Rolling Eyes

Zaknussem
Everybody Loves Donuts
Posted - 2008.05.28 12:54:00 - [30]
 

There's plenty of free space left on the planet. If you don't like when DT hits your neck of the woods, move to another part of the Earth.

If you can't bring Mohammad to the mountain, bring the mountain to Mohammad...


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