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Jin'May
Posted - 2008.05.25 13:45:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Jin''May on 25/05/2008 14:55:52
CCP decided to remove 30 and 90 days GTC and have 60 days GTC instead.

They're a business, they're smart, they're doing this not by pleasure but because they have their reasons, backed by solid financial statistics and analysis.

However, when I heard this news, I knew what I was going to do if 30d GTCs were removed : close two of my accounts.
Then I realised something: there are things their data can't predict: how players will react to this change.
And this is something we can help CCP with by providing them personal experiences (if only a small sample of those who visit these message boards) about how we will react to this change.

This is not a petition or anything, I'm not asking for anyone's opinion. Nor trying to start a debate.
I'm just asking for people to inform CCP of their intentions, not their motivations: state how many accounts you currently have now and how many you intend to keep if 30d and 90d GTCs are removed.
CCP might find this data useful, or not, in the end, as always, the decision remains up to them.

So I'll start.
Have: 4. Will close 2. Might close 3.

Thanks for your help.


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Replies to this thread so far (uncertain anwers such as my "might close" are NOT included):
Out of 29 accounts 9 will be cancelled.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2008.05.25 13:53:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 25/05/2008 13:56:59
Originally by: Jin'May
CCP is considering removing 30 and 90 days GTC and have 60 days GTC instead.

Wrong. They're not considering. They decided to. They announced the change. It's not up to debate.
They have their reasons, and even if they didn't make'em 100% public, they're good enough reasons.

Also, IBTL because of Linkage (this is a "duplicate" thread for all intents and purposes).
____

EDIT : well, you never know, might be worth a try anyway.

Have : 2
Will close : 0
Paid by GTC bought with ISK : both ; don't care how much ISK they end up costing
MIGHT switch one to debit card payment (euro) and close the second if I run out of ISK (not likely though), but will probably keep both anyway.

Jin'May
Posted - 2008.05.25 13:58:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 25/05/2008 13:54:42
Originally by: Jin'May
CCP is considering removing 30 and 90 days GTC and have 60 days GTC instead.

Wrong. They're not considering. They decided to. They announced the change. It's not up to debate.
They have their reasons, and even if they didn't make'em 100% public, they're good enough reasons.

Also, IBTL because of Linkage (this is a "duplicate" thread for all intents and purposes).
____

EDIT : well, you never know, might be worth a try anyway.

Have : 2 ; will close : 0 ; paid by GTC bought with ISK : both.



Ok thanks for the info, I edited the OP.
And as you said, they have their reasons, I'm not denying that, I'm not even asking for them to give me their reasons. But I know from personal experience to take the right decision, long term, you need to have all the relevant information. This is the intend of this post.
If most people, like you, don't intend to close accounts after this change, then perfect for CCP, they probably took the right decision.

Furb Killer
Gallente
Posted - 2008.05.25 13:58:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Furb Killer on 25/05/2008 13:59:03
You wont be closing 2 accounts, you close 1 account since only 1 is active at a time.

And a bit over 2 years ago you payed the same ammount in euros as that you got to pay after the increase in price, due to weak dollar.

You now got 4 chars because apparently you cant be happy with just 1 (never understood that myself, but okay). 2 of your chars you have never used, you just train them. And you seriously want us to believe you are going to close 3 accounts? LOL
Those who scream loudest they are going to close accounts wont be the ones closing accounts

Locii
Posted - 2008.05.25 14:00:00 - [5]
 

i have 6 accounts, when i have used all of my remaining time codes. 6 accounts will merge most likly into 2 accounts.

Jin'May
Posted - 2008.05.25 14:06:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Jin''May on 25/05/2008 14:10:47
Originally by: Furb Killer
Edited by: Furb Killer on 25/05/2008 13:59:03
You wont be closing 2 accounts, you close 1 account since only 1 is active at a time.

And a bit over 2 years ago you payed the same ammount in euros as that you got to pay after the increase in price, due to weak dollar.

You now got 4 chars because apparently you cant be happy with just 1 (never understood that myself, but okay). 2 of your chars you have never used, you just train them. And you seriously want us to believe you are going to close 3 accounts? LOL
Those who scream loudest they are going to close accounts wont be the ones closing accounts


You're just assuming things. You're the perfect example of what I'm trying to fight : people drawing conclusions without knowing all they need/should know to do so.

I just said I had 2 accounts that I cycle through, I didn't say what I do with them. And tbh CCP doesn't care what I do with'em. To them, an actively played character is the same as a character that's just logged every few days to start training a new skill. Even if I was training these 2 characters to sell them (which isn't the case) CCP is still winning thanks to the 20 euros transfer fee.

Tamia Clant
New Dawn Corp
New Eden Research.
Posted - 2008.05.25 14:10:00 - [7]
 

I'm in a similar situation to yours, I have 4 accounts and at the moment I'm using ISK to maintain all subscriptions.

My main account I'll keep playing regardless, and will switch to credit card subscription if necessary, but as for the other 3, it depends entirely on how the GTC market reacts to the changes, which will most likely see a very noticeable price increase. For the record, I am not concerned with the removal of 30-day GTCs as I don't do "downtime training" and 90-day GTCs have a better "ISK->subscription time" ratio anyway, I'm just worried on how their removal will affect the prices of the new 60-day cards.

But then again, (and you said it yourself) you can't predict how players will react to this change, we'll just have to wait and see how it goes. (and I agree with Akita, I don't think CCP will change it now)

Have: 4
Will close: 0 or 3 (dependant on GTC prices)

Estel Arador
Posted - 2008.05.25 14:12:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Jin'May
Yes on paper, when CCP looks at these 2 cycling accounts, they may think they're losing money. On theory it's true.


How do you know what they think? Maybe they're thinking that they don't want everyone and their grandmother (ab-)using the system like this and they've decided to make the change for that reason, regardless of whether or not it costs them some money or not.

And have you considered the possibility that while you might close some accounts, other (potential) players might decided to subscribe because they're no longer feeling obligated to have 20 accounts since everyone has 20 accounts?

This issue is way more complex than you make it seem.

Jin'May
Posted - 2008.05.25 14:22:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Jin''May on 25/05/2008 14:23:27
Originally by: Estel Arador
Originally by: Jin'May
Yes on paper, when CCP looks at these 2 cycling accounts, they may think they're losing money. On theory it's true.


How do you know what they think? Maybe they're thinking that they don't want everyone and their grandmother (ab-)using the system like this and they've decided to make the change for that reason, regardless of whether or not it costs them some money or not.

And have you considered the possibility that while you might close some accounts, other (potential) players might decided to subscribe because they're no longer feeling obligated to have 20 accounts since everyone has 20 accounts?

This issue is way more complex than you make it seem.


True. Hence why I said "CCP may think". I don't know. And tbh it doesn't matter "what they think" or "what I think they think". I cleaned my OP of any "debetable statement". I wasn't trying to start a debate, just ask people for their intentions in a short format :
"Have X. Will close Y"

LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
Posted - 2008.05.25 14:25:00 - [10]
 

Have: 4
Will have: 4
Will close: 0

Smile

DrHolliday
Aristotle Enterprises
Posted - 2008.05.25 14:36:00 - [11]
 

Have 2. Will close 1, consolidating the two account's characters and, possibly, selling this character. One of my directors is looking at chipping in to keep this second account going, so that we don't have to lose this carrier pilot character.

Terminus adacai
Caldari
Racey Bee
Posted - 2008.05.25 14:41:00 - [12]
 

Have 4
will close 2

CrayC
Gallente
CrayC Inc.
Posted - 2008.05.25 14:51:00 - [13]
 

I have 3 accounts.
I will have 3 accounts until the day I decide to quit EVE. It will take a LOT more crap from CCP to make THAT happen, so it won't be anytime soon...

Reverend Revelator
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2008.05.25 15:37:00 - [14]
 

Have 4, will close 0, paid up till January at 2009 now with GTCs

Bodhisattvas
0utbreak
Posted - 2008.05.25 16:21:00 - [15]
 

Plenty of accounts for sale then.

Or perhaps you guys that dispose of your accounts just delete them.

Win win.


Taua Roqa
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2008.05.25 16:33:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: LaVista Vista
Have: 4
Will have: 4
Will close: 0

Smile



i once probed out a rookie ship left in the middle of nowhere by you when i was learning how to probe.

just though i would say that :D

5n4keyes
Sacred Templars
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2008.05.25 16:59:00 - [17]
 

I pay for all my accounts via GTC, I have 4 Accounts.

Now for my 2 main chars, Ive always used 90 Day GTC, but for the 2 little chars, ive always used 30s.

Reason for this, is sometimes ill set a longer skill and can just leave them disabled til i need them.

Another issue is having the isk at the time to pay for the accounts. I dont always have the isk for a 30 day GTC, so ill wait.

If and when 60 day GTC become the thing, I wont be disabling my accounts, however my accounts will certainly be inactive for longer. Mostly because it will take me longer to grab the isk needed.

OK some will argue, oh but you was going to pay that anyway, well yes sure, but not everyone is good with isk, or able to save, which is where the problem is.

Personally ide like to see 60 day GTCs as a 3rd optional payment time. So we would keep 30, and 90 GTC.


IonKnight
Posted - 2008.05.25 17:03:00 - [18]
 

To be honest im very disappointed as im not sure i will be able to pay for my second account if this happens. If this does happen i might even quit eve cause i have times when i have no money for months on end so really 90 day cards have been my only way of really affording the game.

So 2 accoutns
Will drop one maybe second also

Even if they do change what matters to me is what happens to shattered crystal. If they do increase the price then im out im not paying a different price for a game just cause i company thinks thats what i should pay. Simply put CPP are money grabbing by stopping sale of 30 and 90 it means that can make a 60 cost twice as much as a 30 day and give no benefit for buying more time. Simply put they have ****ed off alot of ppl

Big Al
The Aftermath
Posted - 2008.05.25 17:09:00 - [19]
 

I don't like the 60 day change (I always use 90ds). I assume the isk price per day will increase for these.

As long as the 60 day cost doesn't go above what the 30d cost was I don't see rage quitting. Missing out on 350m 90 days certainly does **** me off though. If anything they will cause less overall subscribed time per year per account from me.


6 accounts, 6 currently active. Planning to sell 2-3 characters and close the accounts(although not directly related to the GTCs, it certainly does encourage me to finally drop them).

CCP Wrangler

Posted - 2008.05.25 17:10:00 - [20]
 

This topic is already being discussed in this thread.

Lykah Storm
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2008.05.25 17:15:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Jin'May
Edited by: Jin''May on 25/05/2008 14:55:52
CCP decided to remove 30 and 90 days GTC and have 60 days GTC instead.

They're a business, they're smart, they're doing this not by pleasure but because they have their reasons, backed by solid financial statistics and analysis.

However, when I heard this news, I knew what I was going to do if 30d GTCs were removed : close two of my accounts.
Then I realised something: there are things their data can't predict: how players will react to this change.
And this is something we can help CCP with by providing them personal experiences (if only a small sample of those who visit these message boards) about how we will react to this change.

This is not a petition or anything, I'm not asking for anyone's opinion. Nor trying to start a debate.
I'm just asking for people to inform CCP of their intentions, not their motivations: state how many accounts you currently have now and how many you intend to keep if 30d and 90d GTCs are removed.
CCP might find this data useful, or not, in the end, as always, the decision remains up to them.

So I'll start.
Have: 4. Will close 2. Might close 3.

Thanks for your help.


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Replies to this thread so far (uncertain anwers such as my "might close" are NOT included):
Out of 29 accounts 9 will be cancelled.

You are just stupid.

So you have 4 accounts. You pay them. It doesn't really matter do you pay them with 30, 60 or 90 tickets. You just pay them if you want to play this game.

I have paid my accounts with credit card, via moneybookers, and gtcs. If something costs few $ more, I just don't care.

Will you stop driving your car if gas rates goes up? Will you stop eating when food price goes up? No.

So, why would anyone take you seriously if you threaten to quit few accounts just because there isn't 30 and 90 tickets anymore available? Laughing

I understand CCP's idea to clear up GTC's. There is already a lot ways to pay the game. Having just 60 day ticket instead 30 and 90 doesn't matter at all. You can still pay it with GTC's.

And the main question. If you keep 4 accounts always active, why you don't just pay them for 1 year ahead? That's cheapest way anyway..

I just lmao when these things happen in MMORPG's, there is always there whiners about the smallest things. You are just plain stupid if you close any account because this Laughing


 

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