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Mistress Ingrid
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
Posted - 2008.05.24 20:09:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: MotherMoon

and you pay for time cards..using... what?

oh hey that's right, a credit card.


Yep using Paypal, because CCP's credit card system sucks and declines my credit card, but it works for everyone else including Paypal. I really don't care why...and CCP took a week to get back to me when I petitioned it to tell me, "it looks like it declined".

That's why I use GTC's...that's why eve now costs more for me.

TimMc
Brutal Deliverance
Gypsy Band
Posted - 2008.05.24 20:37:00 - [32]
 

Its all a subtle plot to get you to buy a million GTCs now which you are unlikely to fully utilise.

Props to CCP.

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2008.05.24 20:39:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Mistress Ingrid
Originally by: MotherMoon

and you pay for time cards..using... what?

oh hey that's right, a credit card.


Yep using Paypal, because CCP's credit card system sucks and declines my credit card, but it works for everyone else including Paypal. I really don't care why...and CCP took a week to get back to me when I petitioned it to tell me, "it looks like it declined".

That's why I use GTC's...that's why eve now costs more for me.


In this case CCP should sell the 60 day time card for 30$ on the CCP site.

Then they won't lose 5$ and we won't have top spend it.

Domania
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2008.05.24 20:57:00 - [34]
 

People who don't see what MotherMoon is saying fails greatly.

This doesn't effect me at all anyway because I use a credit card to buy my EVE. YARRRR!!

Kaar
Rionnag Alba
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2008.05.24 21:03:00 - [35]
 

Wait wait wait, are you saying that all GTC come on a physical card?
So places like shattered-crystal get thousands of cards in the mail and have to digitize them?

Some one is ****ing stupid here, you or CCP.

Sabrina Treadehugger
Posted - 2008.05.24 21:04:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Domania
People who don't see what MotherMoon is saying fails greatly.

This doesn't effect me at all anyway because I use a credit card to buy my EVE. YARRRR!!


you fail greatly at english and english is not even my native language

"This doesn't effect me at all anyway because I use a credit card to buy my EVE"

so you are posting why?

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2008.05.24 21:09:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Sabrina Treadehugger
Originally by: Domania
People who don't see what MotherMoon is saying fails greatly.

This doesn't effect me at all anyway because I use a credit card to buy my EVE. YARRRR!!


you fail greatly at english and english is not even my native language

"This doesn't effect me at all anyway because I use a credit card to buy my EVE"

so you are posting why?


he's showing support.

glad someone can read, unlike most people.

I'm not saying it's a good thing. I'm saying that I don't want to hear "OMG CCP RAISED THE PRICE"

you know how internet word spreads.

Sabrina Treadehugger
Posted - 2008.05.24 21:17:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: Sabrina Treadehugger
Originally by: Domania
People who don't see what MotherMoon is saying fails greatly.

This doesn't effect me at all anyway because I use a credit card to buy my EVE. YARRRR!!


you fail greatly at english and english is not even my native language

"This doesn't effect me at all anyway because I use a credit card to buy my EVE"

so you are posting why?


he's showing support.

glad someone can read, unlike most people.

I'm not saying it's a good thing. I'm saying that I don't want to hear "OMG CCP RAISED THE PRICE"

you know how internet word spreads.


if he could actually read between the lines or other informed oppinions he would understand how this could affect eve in a negative way

the ends don't justify the means

Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups
Posted - 2008.05.24 21:18:00 - [39]
 

Edited by: Le Skunk on 24/05/2008 21:18:44
I would like to see CCP randomly banning players for no reason, just to see how mothermoon would try to defend it.

I am beginning to smell a hint of troll.

SKUNK

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2008.05.24 21:26:00 - [40]
 

Edited by: MotherMoon on 24/05/2008 21:26:20
Le skunk please argue for me how eve cost more per month now using the official system, please.

I'm a long time critic of CCP.

They do a lot of things I don't agree with.
There are lots of things in eve I want to see changed.

But when I hear stupid argument like "don't do trinity fix lag, CCP are lying to us! they are evil" I can't help but feel my IQ dorping.

I'm not defending it, I think CCP should have 90 day cards still at a discounted price like 43.50$


But really you shouldn't talk you troll the forums all the time. your the textbook example.

Locii
Posted - 2008.05.24 21:57:00 - [41]
 

Edited by: Locii on 24/05/2008 21:59:18
the price of subsription should be the same base level everywhere and then local tax added on.

the $131.4 the US pays is about£70.
our local tax is 17.5% so about£82
as we are forced to pay in euros. we actually have to pay £105.
time codes gave us uk residents a equal rate of payments to the US 4 x 90day timecodes were £80.
make all base rates the same and add local tax. dont just make everyone suffer be removing timecodes that people use for flexibilty and ease of payment methods

Kurogauna
Posted - 2008.05.24 21:59:00 - [42]
 

seems globalisation isn't for the customer

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2008.05.24 22:02:00 - [43]
 

IO remember reading somewhere it's based on Icelandic VAT.

anyone have those numbers?

xena zena
The Money Shot Inc.
Posted - 2008.05.24 23:04:00 - [44]
 

Edited by: xena zena on 24/05/2008 23:06:32
If you live in Europe and you use the direct-pay with a credit card (official system) it bills you in EUROS, and EUROS are 157% more valuable then AMERICAN DOLLARS, which it bills you if you live anywhere else. So If you live in America you get to pay $14.95 USD/month, if you live in say France you get to pay $23.60 USD/month.

By buying GTC's with their credit cards, they are billed in USD, so they can get a 30 day GTC for $14.85 USD instead of $23.60, thats a *HUGE* difference.

CCP is just cra-cking down on that and making GTC's uneconomical to buy, trying to force people into direct-paying 57% more! Rolling Eyes

It's pretty simple, easy to understand, currency exchange rates and math. It *IS* a price increase, that primarily only affects anyone who lives in Europe. If you don't live in Europe, it won't really affect you that much, except limits your GTC choices for alts you buy with ISK. Which is a REAL PAIN IN THE BUTT, and LOTS of people will probably not renew their alts if they have to do it in more expensive 60 day GTC's.

By trying to capture more money from Europeans they're going to loose a LARGE amount of alt accounts where people are unwilling to pay more for 60 days and want/need the 30 day flexibility.


xena zena
The Money Shot Inc.
Posted - 2008.05.24 23:06:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Kaar
Wait wait wait, are you saying that all GTC come on a physical card?
So places like shattered-crystal get thousands of cards in the mail and have to digitize them?

Some one is ****ing stupid here, you or CCP.


You can get physical cards from CCP's store, I think still, the weird 50 and 100 day cards or whatever. But virtually NO ONE uses them. The 30 and 90 day codes from say shattered crystal, are 100% digitally transfered to them and you. So no production and delivery cost to CCP.

Vito Parabellum
Fivrelde Corp
Posted - 2008.05.24 23:17:00 - [46]
 

Post with your main, Oveur!

Jecob
Posted - 2008.05.24 23:22:00 - [47]
 

Edited by: Jecob on 24/05/2008 23:24:40
Originally by: MotherMoon

CCP are raising prices
False, they are increasing the price of time cards by 5$ the cost of shipping, and selling the time card.
I've never had a physical time code, it's always been a digital delivery (E-Mailed) code so this certainly does not apply to any time code I have ever bought.

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2008.05.24 23:34:00 - [48]
 

OMG I figured it out, your right it's not a card... yet CCP still sells to resellers...

CCP why don't you just sell them on the eve site? yes I know that's the same as people using the system to start a billing plan...

but what is the point of having other people sell them at all?

Daelin Blackleaf
White Rose Society
Posted - 2008.05.25 00:07:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: MotherMoon
OMG I figured it out, your right it's not a card... yet CCP still sells to resellers...

CCP why don't you just sell them on the eve site? yes I know that's the same as people using the system to start a billing plan...

but what is the point of having other people sell them at all?


Exactly. I can understand them raising the price for Game Time Cards, the physical card that is sold at a shop and requires a third party retailer who in turn needs a profit margin. I can't understand the raise in the price for Electronic Time Codes, a virtual good that could be sold directly by CCP.

To clarify for others this isn't just a GTC for ISK issue. ETC are the only way those of us using the British pound or the Euro can pay the same fee as CCP's American customers (ignoring any additional charges such as those related to currency exchange).

That said we already have a rather long thread about this, which you have already contributed to. Splitting the topic over separate threads is only going to make this somewhat complex issue even more confusing.

XD Andy
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
Posted - 2008.05.25 00:16:00 - [50]
 

According to www.xe.com

$34.99 for 60 days = €22.1707 = €0.3495116 per day

by subscription ...

30 days = €14.95 = €0.498333 per day
3 months (91.25 days) = €38.85 = €0.4257534....
6 months (182.5 days) = €71.70 = €0.3928767....
12 months (365 days) = €131.40 = €0.36

that doesn't include the bank charges imposed in the UK for currancy exchange between £ to € regardless of whether you use credit or debit card.

Even using the the most cost effective route availible to us here in the UK of subscribing (buying a year) it is still more expensive per day than buying the 'new' expensive GTC, without adding bank charges.

Pay by paypal, and you pretty much pay the xe rate for dollars here in the uk.

As of today xe = 1.982 and paypal = The exchange rate for this purchase is 1 GBP = 1.92743USD

factor that in ... you get ... €0.35940 per day via paypal

In other words, I can buy 60 day gtc's at pretty much the same rate as paying for a subscription year ... not including bank charges.

throw in the current gtc's


30 days = $14.95 = paypal £7.7564 = xe €9.74098123413160 = €0.324699 per day therefore new GTC = a 7.6% increase

90 days = $38.85 = paypal £20.14599752001370 = xe €25.30048838269767 = €0.28111653758552966666666666666667 per day therefore new GTC = a 27% increase

if you want to compare the current 90 day gtc's with the current 1 month subscription ...


a massive 77% increase.

So, those that want to support the game fully (as I have until now) by commiting to a monthly subscription here in the UK get penalised the most, and have to pay a whopping 77% more than those paying by the current 90 day gtc.

Whichever wya you look at it, the new GTC represents a price increase which is going to hit those that rely on the USD$ the most. Those if us that (well, now ... for me) have begun to exploit the favourable exchange rate will also notice it a bit, however the reality is that the CCP billing in € is simply not cost effective for the majority of subscribers (= USA and UK).

If you won't offer regionalised cost neutral options for direct subscription, please don't complain that we are moving towards using GTC's.


Andy

Fallorn
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2008.05.25 01:23:00 - [51]
 

Your joking right they don't even have to ship a card to the people it can all be done in one email with as many codes on it as you want. It is just them raising prices.

Desiny
Posted - 2008.05.25 02:20:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Jernau Riggs
This is not meant to be a price rise against americans as you still pay the same when paying by credit card, its just ccp's way of making it uneconimical for europeans to buy game time codes from america.

Many europeans and myself included have been saving money by buying game time codes from america and ccp want to stop this as they get more money from us if we pay by credit card over here.

However just like in game when they see a problem they jump to nerf it and just cause more problems, why does anyone think they would make any better decisions in other areas of their business.

A simple fix would have been to make american game time codes only work for american accounts


why do you think you should have to pay less than other people to play the same game?

Arana Tellen
Gallente
Clan Death Corps
Posted - 2008.05.25 02:29:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Desiny
Originally by: Jernau Riggs
This is not meant to be a price rise against americans as you still pay the same when paying by credit card, its just ccp's way of making it uneconimical for europeans to buy game time codes from america.

Many europeans and myself included have been saving money by buying game time codes from america and ccp want to stop this as they get more money from us if we pay by credit card over here.

However just like in game when they see a problem they jump to nerf it and just cause more problems, why does anyone think they would make any better decisions in other areas of their business.

A simple fix would have been to make american game time codes only work for american accounts


why do you think you should have to pay less than other people to play the same game?


Because CCP are charging other people less to play the game (americans) so why should I pay more? Even more so than the taxes placed on the european payments?

Wet Ferret
Posted - 2008.05.25 02:43:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Fallorn
Your joking right they don't even have to ship a card to the people it can all be done in one email with as many codes on it as you want. It is just them raising prices.


Exactly. There is no other reasonable explanation for this decision that I can see. And it am truly disturbed by it.

I'm disabled, don't have a CC or bank account and I use cash for everything. I used to use PayByCash for EVE but their system is very unreliable and can take a long time to process orders (I'm not sure if they even offer EVE anymore, nor do I care). So I just started using isk for game time because it's basically the only convenient way for me to pay for EVE.

Prices of GTCs in isk are likely going to increase drastically because of this, and I'm not looking forward to grinding up an extra couple hundred mil per month just to pay for EVE time. It already dug into my enjoyment of the game enough...

littlechaoz2
Posted - 2008.05.25 02:46:00 - [55]
 

you guys do know, that if u go to paybycash in the payment options, u can use paypal yes? for those of you who use paypal yet buy GTCs...you dont have too, go to paybycash option, its in there...has been for a while

xena zena
The Money Shot Inc.
Posted - 2008.05.25 02:52:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: littlechaoz2
you guys do know, that if u go to paybycash in the payment options, u can use paypal yes? for those of you who use paypal yet buy GTCs...you dont have too, go to paybycash option, its in there...has been for a while


and its always cost more then just buying the GTC.

Cunny
Posted - 2008.05.25 03:46:00 - [57]
 

Am I the only one who finds it silly when people say CCP is "losing money" on current GTCs?

Last I checked, the overwhelming majority of GTCs bought/used are electronic and require no production costs at all. There isn't some factory in Iceland somewhere, where skilled artisans are hand-crafting GTCs from the finest nordic steel. So CCP sells GTCs to resellers for $12 a pop, and resellers sell them to you for $15. CCP is still making $12/code. It's not as much as that $15 they get from traditional subscriptions, but its still a pure-profit proposition.

Seems to me "losing money" is really just code-speak for "not making as much money as they want."


After these changes go through, the only ones buying GTCs will be the desperately ISK-poor crowd, and those without credit cards. Hope GTC resellers like going out of business Wink

Cunny
Posted - 2008.05.25 04:06:00 - [58]
 

Edited by: Cunny on 25/05/2008 04:08:11
Originally by: MotherMoon
but what is the point of having other people sell them at all?


Because selling codes to resellers is a method of turning a definite profit. Once the codes are sold and out the door, it becomes the reseller's problem to earn a return on their investment.

Eg: Why sell GTCs to players directly at $15/pop when their demand will fluctuate, when you can sell thousands to a third-party vendor at $12/pop and earn a guaranteed sum every time?

littlechaoz2
Posted - 2008.05.25 04:08:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: xena zena


and its always cost more then just buying the GTC.


costs more? i pay the same 15$ for the GTC as i do paying using paypal, i dunno where you see this extra cost coming from

xena zena
The Money Shot Inc.
Posted - 2008.05.25 04:28:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: littlechaoz2
Originally by: xena zena


and its always cost more then just buying the GTC.


costs more? i pay the same 15$ for the GTC as i do paying using paypal, i dunno where you see this extra cost coming from


Forgetting about the pay-by-cash's surcharge?

PayByCash Price: $18.19 US Dollars


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