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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2008.05.24 18:15:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: MotherMoon on 24/05/2008 18:50:41
Community I'm worry about something.

I'm worried that soon were going to get sites poping up with news articles about "CCP is raising the price of eve" or it will become the word on the street.

I have just one question, WHY?

Why is the community failing in on it's self over something when it's already been explained to us?

So if it's not clear let me explain it to anyone before they start lighting torches.

CCP are raising prices
False, they are increasing the price of time cards by 5$ the cost of shipping, and selling the time card. Meaning that you are basically paying 5$ for the convince of being able to use it when you want, trade it for isk, whatever.

In fact Ryan already let us know that with the change CCP will now get 30$ for each time card we buy. This means the extra 5$ are going to then time card company. CCP figured out that time cards are doing nothing but losing them and the timer card resellers money. they want 15$ a month for their game. Not 12$ because they have to sell them cheap in bulk to timecard resellers.

Now is it a good choice? maybe not. I don't see why they are stopping 90 day cards, BUT CCP ARE NOT increasing the price of eve. you can still pay 15$ a month or pay for 90 at a time for less money. You'll just have to use your credit card.

also for EU players that are avoiding the VAT, you still get to pay less than us :P

CCP aren't fixing lag! just making dumb things like ambulation,factional warfare, not fixing macro miners

Not fixing lag? They just released a new server structure on sisi a few eeks ago, they are going to be buying a new super computer.
Do you people forget all the whining you made about how CCP plays the game and how they shouldn't?

well guess what they still do play the game and they don't want lag as much as anyone else.

Also There have been a lot of examples recently about macros getting caught and isk being taken out. it's a problem that most game can't solve because the idea of a macro is to look like a human is doing it, and mining in eve is very... well... simple and full of AFKing.

Kappas.
Galaxy Punks
Posted - 2008.05.24 18:18:00 - [2]
 

Although I see the logic and somewhat agree with raising the price of the subscription overall, I don't get why they don't do it to credit card payers as well, rather than having differing prices between different payment options, and people getting penalised for not having/wanting a credit card.

Khudo
Posted - 2008.05.24 18:21:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Khudo on 24/05/2008 18:21:36
MATH 101

Old 90 days GTC = 39$.
-> Around 0.43$ per day


New 60 days GTC = 35$
-> Around 0.58$ per day

Difference -> +0,15$ / day

Do the math
Net increase +34%


Bybye failure man.

Locii
Posted - 2008.05.24 18:22:00 - [4]
 

90 day time codes are $38.50 60days will be $34.95.

ok thats not a price rise

ElCoCo
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
Posted - 2008.05.24 18:28:00 - [5]
 

How about deleting your post and start another with a subject "CCP are raising prices: Here's why"?
Because that one here was an awesome failure Razz

Locii
Posted - 2008.05.24 18:28:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: MotherMoon

also for EU players that are avoiding the VAT, you still get to pay less than us :P.


may i ask where you are from, intrested in knowing where has a high price than europe for playing eve

Khudo
Posted - 2008.05.24 18:31:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: ElCoCo
How about deleting your post and start another with a subject "CCP are raising prices: Here's why"?
Because that one here was an awesome failure Razz


done Rolling Eyes

Ray McCormack
Nordar Innovations.
Posted - 2008.05.24 18:33:00 - [8]
 

I feel stupider after reading your post.

Jack Jombardo
Amarr
Cosmic Allianz
Posted - 2008.05.24 18:37:00 - [9]
 

Can't pay with craditcard has I have non, need no, never will need one. It's no problem to get one but what for? Just EvE? NO! I don't pay twice (fee for CCs is about 5€/month) just becouse you love plasic.

And they are NOT common or normal to have here!

So for me and thousend other player it IS a prise-rising.

Darineah Charach
Minmatar
Resilience.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2008.05.24 18:37:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Locii
Originally by: MotherMoon

also for EU players that are avoiding the VAT, you still get to pay less than us :P.


may i ask where you are from, intrested in knowing where has a high price than europe for playing eve


Everywhere else in the world pretty much.


Locii
Posted - 2008.05.24 18:40:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Darineah Charach
Originally by: Locii
Originally by: MotherMoon

also for EU players that are avoiding the VAT, you still get to pay less than us :P.


may i ask where you are from, intrested in knowing where has a high price than europe for playing eve


Everywhere else in the world pretty much.




teh us pays about 60 for a year of eve, teh uk pays about 105 for teh same year. so every where else pays more than people in europe?

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2008.05.24 18:41:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Jack Jombardo
Can't pay with craditcard has I have non, need no, never will need one. It's no problem to get one but what for? Just EvE? NO! I don't pay twice (fee for CCs is about 5€/month) just becouse you love plasic.
Shocked Maybe you should get some good old citizen action going, because those kind of banking service charges are just insane. If I were you, I'd also kick your bank in the nuts for not offering non-CC MC/Visa cards.

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2008.05.24 18:47:00 - [13]
 

WOW reading comprehension! a few figured it out. lets do some math!

15$ a month basic rate
2 month time card.

sell to time card resellers for 12$ each they sell them for 12$.

Now lets all be honest, people buy time cards to trade for isk most of the time, this mean every time card puts time into the game. With means a large amount of the player base is only giving CCP 12$ a month for 1 month. CCP loses money on this. They didn't before the GCT, but now everyone is buying and trading these, the whole point of time cards in mmorpgs is for people that can't use credit cards.

So CCP said, were sick of this, every player should be paying CCP at least 15$ a month. not like the US dollar is worth **** anyways. So they have added a 5$ fee to buying a time card, this way CCP gets 15$ a month.

hell, If it wasn't for time card trading, and I was CCP, I would of removed the time card system alltogether.

They are not incease the price of the game, they are increase the price of time cards.

OH GOD I can't wait untill I get to school

"oh hey jaron I heard that CCP incease the price of the game?"
slap forhead
"no they inceased the price of the time cards"

Really people :/

Oh and here is an idea to CCP, why even have resellers? you could keep the 15$ a month price if you just sold time cards on the main eve site.

also how does anyone buy a time card without a credit card unless they want to buy isk?


MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2008.05.24 18:48:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Locii
90 day time codes are $38.50 60days will be $34.95.

ok thats not a price rise


right the time card cost more.

you can still go click to the left and pay for 90 days for 38.50$

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2008.05.24 18:50:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Locii
Originally by: MotherMoon

also for EU players that are avoiding the VAT, you still get to pay less than us :P.


may i ask where you are from, intrested in knowing where has a high price than europe for playing eve


you missed the point, Eu players can buy time cards for about half the price that the US pays for them.


MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2008.05.24 18:52:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Jack Jombardo
Can't pay with craditcard has I have non, need no, never will need one. It's no problem to get one but what for? Just EvE? NO! I don't pay twice (fee for CCs is about 5/month) just becouse you love plasic.

And they are NOT common or normal to have here!

So for me and thousend other player it IS a prise-rising.


and you pay for time cards..using... what?

oh hey that's right, a credit card.

Locii
Posted - 2008.05.24 18:54:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: Locii
Originally by: MotherMoon

also for EU players that are avoiding the VAT, you still get to pay less than us :P.


may i ask where you are from, intrested in knowing where has a high price than europe for playing eve


you missed the point, Eu players can buy time cards for about half the price that the US pays for them.





thats only because of teh exchange rates. in true terms we pay 40% more for a year than us based players

Shakuul
Caldari
RuffRyders
Axiom Empire
Posted - 2008.05.24 18:57:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Khudo
Edited by: Khudo on 24/05/2008 18:21:36
MATH 101

Old 90 days GTC = 39$.
-> Around 0.43$ per day


New 60 days GTC = 35$
-> Around 0.58$ per day

Difference -> +0,15$ / day

Do the math
Net increase +34%


Bybye failure man.


QFT. THIS THREAD IS MADE OF FAIL.

Shirley Serious
Amarr
The Khanid Sisters of Athra
Posted - 2008.05.24 18:59:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: MotherMoon
and you pay for time cards..using... what?

oh hey that's right, a credit card.


Pay for time cards using Paypal.
Paypal charges my debit card.

Pay subscription with debit card.
Bank charges a 1.00 overseas currency transaction.

So, by purchasing time cards, I save money.

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2008.05.24 19:01:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Shirley Serious
Originally by: MotherMoon
and you pay for time cards..using... what?

oh hey that's right, a credit card.


Pay for time cards using Paypal.
Paypal charges my debit card.

Pay subscription with debit card.
Bank charges a 1.00 overseas currency transaction.

So, by purchasing time cards, I save money.


Then CCP should let us pay for time using paypal and/or debit.


small chimp
Posted - 2008.05.24 19:01:00 - [21]
 

I dont care if ccp are raising the price, i'll still keep playing

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2008.05.24 19:02:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: MotherMoon
Then CCP should let us pay for time using paypal and/or debit.
…I pay to CCP using a debit card. Confused

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2008.05.24 19:13:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: small chimp
I dont care if ccp are raising the price, i'll still keep playing


If they are then why am I still paying 12$ a month? I pay for a year at a time nothing stopping anyone else form using the system.

and the above person just told me that they use thier debit card to pay for eve.

so unless you don't have a bank account you should be able to pay the same price as before to play eve no?

Jack Jombardo
Amarr
Cosmic Allianz
Posted - 2008.05.24 19:23:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: Jack Jombardo
Can't pay with craditcard has I have non, need no, never will need one. It's no problem to get one but what for? Just EvE? NO! I don't pay twice (fee for CCs is about 5€/month) just becouse you love plasic.

And they are NOT common or normal to have here!

So for me and thousend other player it IS a prise-rising.


and you pay for time cards..using... what?

oh hey that's right, a credit card.


PayPal wich charges my Giro. No credit card, sorry.

Locii
Posted - 2008.05.24 19:24:00 - [25]
 

not if you live outside of the us and before you go vat scammer. i am allowed to spend up to 75 ish on goods from outside of the uk without paying vat

Shirley Serious
Amarr
The Khanid Sisters of Athra
Posted - 2008.05.24 19:35:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: MotherMoon

Then CCP should let us pay for time using paypal and/or debit.


CCP does let me use my debit card, however, they bill in euros.

If CCP billed in instead of euros, I wouldn't have to pay the bank charges.

Paypal manages to convert and bill in , so why doesn't CCP?

Jernau Riggs
Posted - 2008.05.24 19:45:00 - [27]
 

This is not meant to be a price rise against americans as you still pay the same when paying by credit card, its just ccp's way of making it uneconimical for europeans to buy game time codes from america.

Many europeans and myself included have been saving money by buying game time codes from america and ccp want to stop this as they get more money from us if we pay by credit card over here.

However just like in game when they see a problem they jump to nerf it and just cause more problems, why does anyone think they would make any better decisions in other areas of their business.

A simple fix would have been to make american game time codes only work for american accounts

Nadarius Chrome
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Posted - 2008.05.24 19:45:00 - [28]
 

Let me address what I see as the most important of your points.

Originally by: MotherMoon
CCP are raising prices
False, they are increasing the price of time cards by 5$ the cost of shipping, and selling the time card. Meaning that you are basically paying 5$ for the convince of being able to use it when you want, trade it for isk, whatever.

In fact Ryan already let us know that with the change CCP will now get 30$ for each time card we buy. This means the extra 5$ are going to then time card company. CCP figured out that time cards are doing nothing but losing them and the timer card resellers money. they want 15$ a month for their game. Not 12$ because they have to sell them cheap in bulk to timecard resellers.


They don't have to sell them cheap in bulk to resellers. If they raised the price to resellers so that resellers were the same price as everyone else, then more than just newbs who don't know any better would buy from the CCP store instead of SC.

Also, removing 30 and 90 day GTCs in the interests of simplicity is sheer nonsense. If they wanted simplicity they should remove the pointless 50 and 100 day ones in their own shop, which nobody uses. That way they'd get rid of 2 pointless codes instead of introducing a new one and removing the two most commonly used ones. Confused

Sabrina Treadehugger
Posted - 2008.05.24 19:52:00 - [29]
 

ibtl

there is allready a thread about this you should go post your nonsense there


ZW Dewitt
Posted - 2008.05.24 19:55:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Nadarius Chrome
Also, removing 30 and 90 day GTCs in the interests of simplicity is sheer nonsense. If they wanted simplicity they should remove the pointless 50 and 100 day ones in their own shop, which nobody uses. That way they'd get rid of 2 pointless codes instead of introducing a new one and removing the two most commonly used ones. Confused


These will replace the 30- and 90-day cards that were previously available through authorized resellers and the 50- and 100-day cards sold in the EVE Store. This will affect both online ETC's and Game Time Cards sold in the EVE Online Store.


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