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Yorda
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.09.01 15:48:00 - [301]
 

Originally by: SickSeven
So was there a meeting this month or what? I just got Minny BS V done, and it rocks for flying a phoon or Maelstrom, but should I train Large Proj Turrett V or not?


It would have to be a pretty huge buff to not make training any other carrier / dread combo more worthwhile.

Even if they did talk about this, it's going to be months before CCP actually does anything about it. Hopefully a dev has already seen the thread and they're actually working on it, but I doubt it.

Pavlinka
Minmatar
Posted - 2008.09.01 16:31:00 - [302]
 

Edited by: Pavlinka on 01/09/2008 16:30:50
Unfornutely, they are. Crying or Very sad
Why do we deserve only good sub-BS class ships? Crying or Very sad

EDIT: lol, support ...

Battle Dog
Minmatar
Bushwhackers
Rough Necks
Posted - 2008.09.02 13:12:00 - [303]
 

Edited by: Battle Dog on 02/09/2008 13:12:38
I support this generally...

My only thoughts to add would be that with the dread needing split weapons it should be able to do maybe 5 or 10% more damage when fully trained to makeup for the extra time.

Also if possible i would like to hear how these ships were originally balanced when first designed and brought into the game as there ahs obviously been an error somewhere.


dawgbert
Posted - 2008.09.03 07:14:00 - [304]
 

this was going to be brought up in the august meeting, but in the 17th august thread in jita park corner forum there is no mention of it at all? did it get dropped? or is it delayed til next meeting or something?

pls don't let this issue die in the cold dark of beauraucracy!

SUTARAofHELL
Caldari
g guild
Imperial Republic Of the North
Posted - 2008.09.03 17:36:00 - [305]
 

Edited by: SUTARAofHELL on 03/09/2008 17:36:30
I support this message! and demand some more minmatar loving Twisted Evil
I think the naglfar can use one extra low slot and remove those lame citadel launchers with +1 projectile+ some extra damage bonus

Rudebwoy
Minmatar
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2008.09.03 23:45:00 - [306]
 

needs love

TheCraftyHippo
Minmatar
MicroBite Scrap and Salvage
Posted - 2008.09.05 04:04:00 - [307]
 

When is this getting addressed?

Yorda
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.09.05 04:58:00 - [308]
 

http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=839426&page=3#81

Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Yorda
When is the next meeting with CCP? I was under the impression that it was late August, but don't see anything about it.

Issues were submitted on the 26th of August. So it will take at least till next week.

But I don't think the date has been announced yet.

Endel
Extreme Games

Posted - 2008.09.05 08:21:00 - [309]
 


TimGascoigne
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2008.09.05 20:46:00 - [310]
 

Having EFTed the nag, nidhoder and hel against its counter parts with similar role set-ups. I have found it is that with all its skills at level 5. The minmatar cap ships consistently have the lowest firepower, the fewest effective hit points and with the exception of the carrier the lowest defence efficiency.

This is why as a dedicated minmatar pilot I will be training caldari battleship five in order to fill my capital ship ambitionSad

The dreadnought really needs the most attention there is simply no point in fielding one.

wavre
Posted - 2008.09.05 20:50:00 - [311]
 

I wonder why they are the rarest capital shipsRolling Eyes

but seriously what sort of advantage is it to have a slightly greater top speed, slightly reduced signature radius and slightly greater locking time on a dreadnought?

like come on ccp none of this matters as soon as you hit siege mode. Thus the minmatars enjoyed a general inferiority with their dreadnought.

MADMAT
Minmatar
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.09.07 21:17:00 - [312]
 

Full support, Great post

Rinaldo Titano
Caldari
Caldari Elite Force
Apocalypse Now.
Posted - 2008.09.08 10:36:00 - [313]
 

Edited by: Rinaldo Titano on 08/09/2008 10:36:33

kaufmann
Hedion University
Posted - 2008.09.08 14:30:00 - [314]
 

seriously supported.

My Naglfar will never see the light of day if this wont change,
maybe i just reprocess it.

Its not nice to hear that you suck in everything and will be primaried because
you have the suckiest tank.

isdisco3
Brutor Tribe

Posted - 2008.09.09 16:00:00 - [315]
 

Edited by: isdisco3 on 09/09/2008 16:00:56
http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=868448&page=1#1

for #'s backing this assertion.

personally i'd rather see the nag go with one weapons system and add a low slot or two.

Typhado3
Minmatar
Posted - 2008.09.10 06:24:00 - [316]
 

Edited by: Typhado3 on 10/09/2008 06:36:28
hell I think the whole race needs a serious look at after the nano nerf (yes I support nano nerf as long as minmatar get looked at). give us alpha or something.... personally I'd like to see it switched to all turrets and have 20% dmg bonus per level at 5% rof penelty (roughly same as 5% rof and 5% dmg) so it could 1 shot any bs stupid enough to stand still for long enough.... but I'm just dreaming =p

Devilish Ledoux
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.09.10 08:55:00 - [317]
 

While the flaws in the Minmatar's "flexible" ship design are well known and hotly debated, nowhere is it more unbalanced than in the realm of capitals. I support.

Mutius
Minmatar
Tribal Liberation Force
Posted - 2008.09.10 13:06:00 - [318]
 

fully supported

minmatar caps need a fix badly

Victor Dathar
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.09.10 16:48:00 - [319]
 

i, too, think Minmatar Caps need some lovin.

Onnen Mentar
Murientor Tribe

Posted - 2008.09.14 11:01:00 - [320]
 


Sephrin
Minmatar
Zombicidal Mania
Penumbra Alliance
Posted - 2008.09.15 17:28:00 - [321]
 

Excellent idea,

/Supported

SUTARAofHELL
Caldari
g guild
Imperial Republic Of the North
Posted - 2008.09.16 02:45:00 - [322]
 

Edited by: SUTARAofHELL on 17/09/2008 18:59:44
Ive just heard on the TS someone calling the nidhoggur - "noobhoggur" and the usual comments that they are of course the worst capital ship blah blah (but i still love them coz they are so vertical) ... o come on CCP you must do something and quick. Listen to Yorda! JUST DO IT! Twisted Evil

DEATHsyphon
Gallente
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
Posted - 2008.09.16 12:32:00 - [323]
 

Supported

Smertrios
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2008.09.16 16:13:00 - [324]
 

They definitely need looking at, supported

Jeal Tersen
Posted - 2008.09.17 12:57:00 - [325]
 

supported

Enne
Slacker Industries

Posted - 2008.09.17 20:46:00 - [326]
 

Minmatar capitals need a review.

Yorda
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.09.18 17:58:00 - [327]
 

Edited by: Yorda on 18/09/2008 17:58:50
Originally by: SUTARAofHELL
Edited by: SUTARAofHELL on 17/09/2008 18:59:44
Ive just heard on the TS someone calling the nidhoggur - "noobhoggur" and the usual comments that they are of course the worst capital ship blah blah (but i still love them coz they are so vertical) ... o come on CCP you must do something and quick. Listen to Yorda! JUST DO IT! Twisted Evil



I prefer to call mine <racial comment>hugger.

Also, I agree with both the nano nerf and that minmatar ships in general need a review (espeically artillery).

Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises
Posted - 2008.09.18 18:42:00 - [328]
 

What are the strengths of all the other Minmatar ships? Speed. Speed. And a little more Speed.

What bonuses do their carriers get? Shield Transfer. How about some speed bonuses on fighters?

What bonuses do their dreads get? A split weapons system that requires more training than any other race. Because the Minmatar ships not only have to be kept together with duct tape, but they also have to have a clumsy multiple weapon type setup. Bonuses only for Projectiles are in order.

Cpt Lumis
Posted - 2008.09.18 21:18:00 - [329]
 

Is there a CSM or someone that can let us know If anything is going on about this. At least a update. There are many post about this date and that date we will know. Everyday I come on and look and nothing. I have a minny dread and it is all battle ready but the torps. I would like to know if I need to train them or not. Thank you for your help.

Triest
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.09.19 12:49:00 - [330]
 

Originally by: Cpt Lumis
Is there a CSM or someone that can let us know If anything is going on about this. At least a update. There are many post about this date and that date we will know. Everyday I come on and look and nothing. I have a minny dread and it is all battle ready but the torps. I would like to know if I need to train them or not. Thank you for your help.


I wouldn't hold your breath; like most of the other PVP-focused balance issues (e.g. Black Ops battleships) there's very little incentive on the part of CCP to do anything about the Naglfar/Nidhoggur. The number of players who can fly the ships and who consider them unbalanced is small, and moreover have enough time/skillpoints sunk to not quit out of hand about it.


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