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Moriancumer
Amarr
Cryptonym Federation
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2008.07.06 03:54:00 - [181]
 

Edited by: Moriancumer on 06/07/2008 03:54:12
/signed


edit: lucky 7th page Cool

Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2008.07.06 09:24:00 - [182]
 

Edited by: Mecinia Lua on 09/07/2008 08:16:32
I hereby endorse the proposal by the OP as put forth in the former thread.

Ryushe
Tengo Kagegetsu
Posted - 2008.07.06 23:18:00 - [183]
 

Maybe support for this idea is not needed anymore, but wow. I can't believe I missed the original thread. I think it's a great idea, looks bloody good as well.

Support added anyways :)

ch000000000000000lip
Posted - 2008.07.07 00:02:00 - [184]
 

/democracy

Sydian Rie
Minmatar
Black Aces
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2008.07.07 03:53:00 - [185]
 

I want more pics:D Ambulation in POS would be sweet as well.

BlackDeej
Aquila Astralis

Posted - 2008.07.09 05:42:00 - [186]
 

/signed, fantastic idea.

Amaldor Themodius
Psykotic Meat
Posted - 2008.07.09 06:39:00 - [187]
 

signedVery Happy

Fenderson
Posted - 2008.07.09 15:44:00 - [188]
 

me like.

Jinx Barker
Caldari
GFB Scientific
Posted - 2008.07.10 19:36:00 - [189]
 

Originally by: Serenity Steele
CSM has raised this issue to CCP now.
Please keep discussing, although voting is no longer necessary to bring it to CCP.


Where is the mention of this issue in CSM Minutes - you said that it was brought to CCP? Did you lie to us? Did all the CSM who said they will bring this issue to CCP lied to us or am I confused?

I think that some explanation is in order.

Esiel
Renegade Serenity
Posted - 2008.07.11 01:09:00 - [190]
 

I read over the minutes and paid attention to the POS stuff listed and it had nothing to do with what the dead horse is about. Did CSM not understand what we want, why wasn't this talked about?

Jinx Barker
Caldari
GFB Scientific
Posted - 2008.07.11 06:27:00 - [191]
 

Originally by: Esiel
I read over the minutes and paid attention to the POS stuff listed and it had nothing to do with what the dead horse is about. Did CSM not understand what we want, why wasn't this talked about?


I did the same thing, I read it four times... just to make sure.

I am growing extremely disappointed here. I think what CSM was really doing, what some may call it, a political horse trading, paying attention to the "pet projects" and ignoring a general and unilateral call for action on this issue.

This is an absolute disgrace, and should be taken in the account when the next so-called elections come to pass.

Absolute disgrace! And all those people who support and bleed everyday due to the outlined POS issues should voice their opinion - and call CSM "horse trading" out.

Dianalexia
Posted - 2008.07.11 13:25:00 - [192]
 

Edited by: Dianalexia on 11/07/2008 13:25:24
Support added Very Happy
Same to the CSM for they lie about suppoorting this great ideea Evil or Very Mad

Pwett
QUANT Corp.
QUANT Hegemony
Posted - 2008.07.11 17:09:00 - [193]
 

AS none of this is detailed in the minutes, more support.

Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Posted - 2008.07.11 17:12:00 - [194]
 

Those are two thumbs up seen from the side.

Jinx Barker
Caldari
GFB Scientific
Posted - 2008.07.12 01:42:00 - [195]
 

All of the people in this thread, and thousands more have been pretty much crapped on by the CSM, all they are interested in is their own little games - I will be sure to keep this thread alive and will definitely bring it out when it is time for the next elections.

Serenity Steele? How interesting and telling is your silence, as the other members of the CSM who so heartily "SUPPORTED" this thread.

How very telling is their silence? Well, all of you people, look at yourselves, and start asking questions.......

Jinx Barker
Caldari
GFB Scientific
Posted - 2008.07.12 02:13:00 - [196]
 

Some quotes by CSM members regarding this:

Originally by: LaVista Vista
Wanna hear what i think?

The purpose of the CSM is to present the views of the public. Its very obvious that the thread is extremely popular(I think its quite sound too), so of course, if i get in, i will do my best to hear CCP on the suggestion and try and push it forward.


Really, please tell me, what happened - did horse trading got in the way?

Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
CSM candidate reporting in.

Player-owned stations are enormously important to Eve, and the current system is not very sound.

POS'es the one thing that makes Eve a truly persistant-world environment, it's something the players create and destroy, and have a huge impact in the world.

The reason why the thread is so popular, is because it contains a good, sound idea, and explains and illustrates it well. It looks like something that came straight out of a game design document, and this thread is an example how ideas should be forwarded. I'm quite disappointed that the devs were so late in making an actual reply to the thread (even though they claim to have read it earlier). Ideas like this should be encouraged, especially when presented in such a format, even if they are not possible to immediately implement them in the game.

I'm not just going to bring up this idea to the developers, I want to review and bring up every other idea that is as well worked-out as this one in the future, and make sure that it doesn't take a YEAR to get some feedback next time!


Where are you dear friend? Where is this on the CCP - CSM Meeting Minutes?

Originally by: Serenity Steele
CSM has raised this issue to CCP now.
Please keep discussing, although voting is no longer necessary to bring it to CCP.

When did this happen, before or after coffee? Or was it just whispered about? I do not see any information about it in CCP - CSM Meeting Minutes...

Marcus Gideon
Gallente
Federal Defense Operations
Posted - 2008.07.12 03:05:00 - [197]
 

Once again... "CCP is aware of the issue, and it will be addressed ~soon~".

I think they call that pacifying the crowd?

Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Posted - 2008.07.12 03:21:00 - [198]
 

How many of the CSM representatives run even one POS? I think none, veteran players and leaders shun POS management and often paw off the running of them on more singleminded individuals who can handle the mental abuse that it is maintaining and even looking at Pieces Of ****.

This could explain why the POS issue was largely forgotten at the meet.

Hugh Ruka
Exploratio et Industria Morispatia
Posted - 2008.07.13 11:53:00 - [199]
 

Originally by: Serenity Steele
CSM has raised this issue to CCP now.
Please keep discussing, although voting is no longer necessary to bring it to CCP.


Funny there is not mention of this in the meeting minutes.

It seems that it was not raised to CCP at all. Next time stick to what you can prove officialy.

I suggest we will continue voting on this one still to keep it on the top and don't trust the CSM until we see it in the official meeting minutes.

Noa Fuyu
Amarr
Resilience.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2008.07.13 15:32:00 - [200]
 

Yes, I agree with this as well.

Syberbolt8
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2008.07.13 15:42:00 - [201]
 

If this topic was discussed then please tell us what was said, I too didn't see this topic come up in the CSM Meeting Minutes, though I would like to know what was talked about on this topic, seeing as you guy did bring it up... right?

Jinx Barker
Caldari
GFB Scientific
Posted - 2008.07.13 17:22:00 - [202]
 

Support your dead horse!

CSM, would be nice to hear from you people, what happened when this issue was "brought to CCP" - was it even?

I mean, Skill Queue? EVE has been OK w/o it for many years now, and seems we been doing fine, and it is NOT as urgent as functionality of the POS.

Aggression Timers, Sale Order by standing, Empire Wars? Suicide ganking? WTF? 3 Days CSM had to bring this issue to the table! All the issue listed although important are not life-sucking doldrums of what POS system really is! All are much more controversial than the POS issue, all are "niche" issues, that have various responses.

Yet, the only idea that would alleviate the blight that is POS management at the moment, the issue that has UNIVERSAL support - did not make it to the table, even though we were ASSURED BY CSM that it will be?

What happened?

Euriti
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.07.13 20:23:00 - [203]
 

Signed.

Duhmad IbnRa
Gallente
EvE Dynamo

Posted - 2008.07.13 23:01:00 - [204]
 

signed

islador
Gallente
Frontier Explorer's League

Posted - 2008.07.14 00:43:00 - [205]
 

total win, i love it, makes it so much more plausible and deifnately way better looking.

Roger Douglas
Infinite Improbability Inc
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2008.07.14 04:00:00 - [206]
 

I support this thread. As a poor sap working in POS logistics, I can state that these things suck royally to put up, take down, and operate.

Shame on CSM and CCP for not at least even mentioning it in the meeting topics!

Rook Highwind
Posted - 2008.07.14 15:39:00 - [207]
 

/signed

Jinx Barker
Caldari
GFB Scientific
Posted - 2008.07.14 20:58:00 - [208]
 

Edited by: Jinx Barker on 14/07/2008 20:59:42
CSM Members,

LaVista Vista, Ankhesentapemkah, Serenity Steele,

Where are you guys?! Did your internet broke? What happened to bringing this idea to CCP?
You should be ashamed of yourself, but then again, you got a free trip to Iceland and all that, who cares about your word, or promises, right...

I am laughing now, I was really upset before, and I am laughing at myself now, because I thought that damn CSM might actually do something good. I guess what you say CSM and what you do CSM are two different thing, my mistake, regretfully.

I suppose that all the others should remember this come next election.




Jinx Barker
Caldari
GFB Scientific
Posted - 2008.07.15 14:53:00 - [209]
 

Edited by: Jinx Barker on 15/07/2008 14:55:37
Ladies and Gents, how about you all look here: Upcoming CSM Meeting - and notice a part about "Biggest Unadressed Assembly Hall Issue"

I would think we qualify, don't you?

So far CSM members issued no statement regarding misinformation they had given us. Members of the CSM had shown support for implementing this PAIN IN THE ASS IGNORED BY CCP FOR OVER 2 YEARS idea that has UNILATERAL support - as I see it, and yet they have failed to either answer the questions as to why lie to us, and tell us it has been submitted to CCP, or if it WAS submitted, why it is missing from CCP-CSM Meeting notes.

I suggest you all take a walk there and let them know what you think, that is, unless we are so apathetic at this point and do not really care if we are blatantly lied to or led on, and then ignored in favor of pet projects.

I will continue quoting them, their own words regarding this, till we hear something:

Originally by: CSM Mebers


Originally by: LaVista Vista
Wanna hear what i think?

The purpose of the CSM is to present the views of the public. Its very obvious that the thread is extremely popular(I think its quite sound too), so of course, if i get in, i will do my best to hear CCP on the suggestion and try and push it forward.



Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
CSM candidate reporting in.

Player-owned stations are enormously important to Eve, and the current system is not very sound.

POS'es the one thing that makes Eve a truly persistant-world environment, it's something the players create and destroy, and have a huge impact in the world.

The reason why the thread is so popular, is because it contains a good, sound idea, and explains and illustrates it well. It looks like something that came straight out of a game design document, and this thread is an example how ideas should be forwarded. I'm quite disappointed that the devs were so late in making an actual reply to the thread (even though they claim to have read it earlier). Ideas like this should be encouraged, especially when presented in such a format, even if they are not possible to immediately implement them in the game.

I'm not just going to bring up this idea to the developers, I want to review and bring up every other idea that is as well worked-out as this one in the future, and make sure that it doesn't take a YEAR to get some feedback next time!


Originally by: Serenity Steele
CSM has raised this issue to CCP now.
Please keep discussing, although voting is no longer necessary to bring it to CCP.



Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2008.07.15 15:57:00 - [210]
 


Replied to this here.

Bottom line its not a conspiracy. Its just a mess up somewhere along the line and I'm honestly not sure where. This issue got voted through the CSM and as far as I know was submitted to CCP for the formal meeting in Iceland yet didn't appear on the agenda there. At the time we resolved to just make sure it gets resubmitted for the 2nd formal meeting. Its already been voted on, its going on the agenda for 2nd meeting. Not sure what else I can say about it.

I have no idea who messed up. Or how it happened. But for whatever reason it didn't get on the formal agenda in Iceland and that meant there was no substantive CCP comment in the face to face discussions - hence why its not listed on the minutes feedback.


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