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Avalira
Caldari
The Black Light Foundation
Posted - 2008.05.22 17:28:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Avalira on 22/06/2008 21:48:23
There are a few things that bother me with this rather sly announcement.

First thing is that this constitutes a price raise 35% while the announcement seems to try to avoid the very topic by saying it's "To simplify the ETC reseller program and attune our product offerings with industry standards". CCP if you want to raise the prices say so clearly, I hate having to take out my calculator just to see I'm being taken for a ride.

Secondly some of us find it useful to buy only a 30-day card or a 90-day card. What was the real reason in removing them? And since when does CCP obey to industry standards? Isn't innovating the way forward? Then why not actually give us more options instead of reducing them, like perhaps 120-day cards?

So in short the issue I want to bring to the CSM is:
- Have CCP tell us why they are increasing prices, and if this will affect credit card users. Edit: A sticky in the general forums says no. Only GTC prices are affected by this price change.
- Why remove the 30 & 90 day time codes and at the same time introducing a more expensive option.
- Bring them back, even if they have to be at the same price per month as the new prices.

And my concerns are that it will negatively impact the player base. It might not seem like a big raise to some but having to pay more might cause players to leave or not subscribe at all. So what are CCP doing to make sure that doesn't happen.

I'm apologise if this sounds like a little rant, I just feel CCP could at least have made a more informative news article for something this important.

Edit:
Originally by: Inanna Zuni
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
This subject was discussed during the CSM-CCP
meeting today. Although both sides recognised
that this is a commercial decision for CCP and
not directly within the remit of the CSM the
issues involved have been taken on board by CCP
and any announcement by them will be made in due
course.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

IZ


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Cailais
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
Posted - 2008.05.22 17:32:00 - [2]
 

I feel its an issue that should at least be raised by the CSM.

Supported.


Seiver D'amross
Subach-Tech

Posted - 2008.05.22 17:33:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Seiver D''amross on 22/05/2008 17:38:28
/sign

i pay for eve buy GTC ingame and this will raise the ingame prices and make it more diffcult fo those of us that play this way to keep playing.

stupid flanders
Planet Express LLC

Posted - 2008.05.22 17:33:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: stupid flanders on 22/05/2008 21:55:56
/signed

Siona Windweaver
Placeholder Holdings
Posted - 2008.05.22 17:35:00 - [5]
 

Reason is simple, they are making more (or nearly same) money from GTC sellers (for in-game isk) than actual subscriptions.

Anyway, i support an official response to this.

Avalira
Caldari
The Black Light Foundation

Posted - 2008.05.22 17:36:00 - [6]
 

Remember when you sign to support the topic by checking "Check here if want to give your support to the idea/discussion going on".

(The option is just above your character name)

mynnna
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.05.22 17:38:00 - [7]
 

I've never seen a 60 day timecard as a "standard", nor as the only offered option, anywhere else.

ADD 60 day timecards, but don't make them the only option, imo.

Nexus Wolfguard
Posted - 2008.05.22 17:38:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Nexus Wolfguard on 22/05/2008 18:07:10
Rly odd why the card prices increased,
yet the time code prices as far as i can tell stayed the same, as well as the subscription prices.

Edit: Apparently the prices pay for travel for the CSM, sounds like a decent cause to me, but I think they need to market their idea into some other kind of fundraiser. Maybe introduce some miniatures into the EVE store. Hm, not bad, going to create a topic on alternate fund raiser ideas. o/

Digital Anarchist
Brutor Tribe

Posted - 2008.05.22 17:40:00 - [9]
 

I agree with the OP, with the contention that CCP be at least more open about its price policies. Stealth hikes are bad for business.

Nyphur
Pillowsoft

Posted - 2008.05.22 17:45:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Nyphur on 22/05/2008 17:45:12
Supported. I want to see info on why they're really increasing the prices, not the marketing tripe they had wrangler post (and shame on him for posting it) about industry standards and attuning the product range. I don't care what the real reason is, I just want to see it and not some marketing ploy where they put a positive spin on it.

Additionally, I'd like to know if CCP have actually examined their market. The players who buy gtcs with isk from other players fall into two categories. The long-term players buy 90d codes when they need them as they represent the best value for money. The short-term players just play EVE on a monthly basis and only raise enough isk to pay for a 30 day code. The new 60 day codes offer neither option - they aren't good value for money and they don't let someone play on a monthly basis or resubscribe if they haven't much isk.

Shuckstar
Gallente
Hauling hogs
Swine Aviation Labs
Posted - 2008.05.22 17:46:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: shuckstar on 22/05/2008 17:49:00
Originally by: Avalira
There are a few things that bother me with this rather sly announcement.

First thing is that this constitutes a price raise 35% while the announcement seems to try to avoid the very topic by saying it's "To simplify the ETC reseller program and attune our product offerings with industry standards". CCP if you want to raise the prices say so clearly, I hate having to take out my calculator just to see I'm being taken for a ride.

Secondly some of us find it useful to buy only a 30-day card or a 90-day card. What was the real reason in removing them? And since when does CCP obey to industry standards? Isn't innovating the way forward? Then why not actually give us more options instead of reducing them, like perhaps 120-day cards?

So in short the issue I want to bring to the CSM is:
- Have CCP tell us why they are increasing prices, and if this will affect credit card users.
- Why remove the 30 & 90 day time codes and at the same time introducing a more expensive option.
- Bring them back, even if they have to be at the same price per month as the new prices.

And my concerns are that it will negatively impact the player base. It might not seem like a big raise to some but having to pay more might cause players to leave or not subscribe at all. So what are CCP doing to make sure that doesn't happen.

I'm apologise if this sounds like a little rant, news article for something this I just feel CCP could at least have made a more informative news article for something this important.


Yep totally agree, a official response with their reasonings would be great.

Anakin Walkskyer
Viziam
Posted - 2008.05.22 17:46:00 - [12]
 

I don't even care about this raise in price thing, But giving us only 1 option with which to pay for the game is a joke. Not everyone has a CC that they can use to play so they will be forced to pay larger sums at once. At least keep the 30day AT LEAST. Every MMO I have ever played/seen has a 30day option. I can see this going pretty badly for CCP if/when this follows through.

Saju Somtaaw
Kagan-Kincaid Enterprises
Posted - 2008.05.22 17:47:00 - [13]
 

I agree, add the 60Day by all means, but don't get rid of the others in a thinly vailed attempt to raise prices. If you need to raise prices, than come right out and tell us.

Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
Perditus Peregrinus

Posted - 2008.05.22 17:50:00 - [14]
 

Posting in a thread involving my real life wallet.

CCP please return the 30 days as an option for EVE players.

Heartstone
Aliastra

Posted - 2008.05.22 17:56:00 - [15]
 

As someone on a low income I can only agree that I would like this decission reversed and would like to think that the CSm could do somethign about it. However as a purely business choice I cannot see CCP letting the CSM having any input on it.

Wadaya
Trailerpark Industries

Posted - 2008.05.22 17:56:00 - [16]
 

The price increase isn't the problem, it's the decrease in subscription lengths that is the problem. Since 90% of these Gametime "Cards" in fact are just virtual items, Where is the money loss coming from? Sure as hell aren't saving money on "printing".

What they should do is charge a flat $15/month or whatever, hell $20/month is fine.

30 days = $20
60 days = $40
90 days = $60

Wad

zykerx
Vrix Nation

Posted - 2008.05.22 17:59:00 - [17]
 

signed

w00kie
Phoenix Rising Research and Development

Posted - 2008.05.22 18:02:00 - [18]
 

bad idea ccp!

I want the 30 gtc back!

Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles

Posted - 2008.05.22 18:04:00 - [19]
 

I want the 90 day ones back!

Darius JOHNSON
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.05.22 18:08:00 - [20]
 

I personally have 8 accounts. That gets quite expensive. Having to drop my money in larger chunks, even if I'm having to do it less often, will likely be a hardship for myself and many others. I really do not see the point in changing the current system. Allowing 60 days makes some sense but the goal should be to INCREASE options, not decrease them.

I fail to see how that is a hardship and would welcome a CCP response to perhaps help me understand why it's a problem.

Zareph
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.05.22 18:08:00 - [21]
 

I currently have five different accounts I use the 30d and 90d with either cash or isk to keep running.


I'll have zero accounts if this isn't resolved. The lack of the 30d and 90d options scramble the way I play/can afford to play. Most of my TC are cash purchases, not ISK. I don't need some accounts active for more than 30d at a time as I don't need a hauler 23/7 for two months, I need them for a couple of weekend at the most. I don't need my miner character 23/7 for two months as again, I only mine sporadically. however, I keep playing them.

With this new method, I won't bother anymore, and I'm not sure if I'll keep playing my last one. You've effectively increased my main's method of play by $78 a year. If that's how you want to do it, I'll forget this game and go find something else.


Samuel Harrow
Body Count Inc.
Posted - 2008.05.22 18:09:00 - [22]
 

Signed

CaptainOkuna
Posted - 2008.05.22 18:10:00 - [23]
 

I have been paying for my 6 account in this way for about 18 months or so. In that time I have saved a butt load of money, had a butt load of skills trained whilst accounts were inactive, and advised anyone I can get to listen that paying for GTC in dollars is FTW.

Yes CCP have tried to dress it up as something else (bringing into line with industry standards), I you and they all know that is just corporate BS, that IS the way the corporate world is. CCP do not exist to give you pleasure it exists to make its shareholders isk; that is to say it is in business to make money, nothing else.

No-one likes a price rise, and while I must admit my initial reaction was one of "OMG What!!", I can see that it was a loophole, albeit a loophole that until now CCP hadn't tried to address.

So I am firmly against this proposal, I would rather see the CSM spend their time addressing issues that they CAN affect, rather than trying to change CCP's global subscription policy (which I strongly doubt they could do).

It's about picking the fights you can win I guess.



Irdomi
Posted - 2008.05.22 18:13:00 - [24]
 

/signed

Haakelen
Gallente
The Scope

Posted - 2008.05.22 18:16:00 - [25]
 

The problem here isn't the price increase. Supported.

Bald Rikk
Body Count Inc.
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2008.05.22 18:17:00 - [26]
 

I support this topic.

My point of view is that I like flexibility. My main I have running on my credit card, always willdo purely so I know I wil always have an account that I can log into. But GTC I love because of flexibility. I have 3 other accounts and I buy (Either for ISK or cash) a 90 day card per month or drop to a 30 if I'm away for a while etc. IT just... works... for me.

What is my point. Choice - that is being taken away from me and in this consumer driven age that is a bad thing.

I have no problem with a price rise - it was invevitable but please just call it a price rise and let us keep our choices!

Kilhu Emmek
Minmatar
Redshift Industrial
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2008.05.22 18:22:00 - [27]
 

It's just stupid to do away with options for customers. As much as I hate to think CCP thinks we're that stupid, I can reach no other conclusion than "they did this to mask the price increase."

I'm betting they'll "cave to community pressure" and bring back the 30 and 90 day "cards," and maybe even introduce 120 day "cards," but the price increase will still be there, which is just bad business.

If you look at the biggest kid on the block, they currently offer three subscription options--one month at $14.99, three months at $13.99, and six months at $12.99. CCP is effectively saying "no, pay more for giving us your money in advance of our services." Penalizing customers who want to give you their money in advance is just mind-blowing dumb.

I'd like the CSM to address this by asking CCP why they need to increase subscription fees so much, and whether they're really just trying to drive GTC/ETC resellers out of business, or ... you know, wtf were they thinking, basically.

Jack Gilligan
Caldari Provisions

Posted - 2008.05.22 18:25:00 - [28]
 

Silence on this is not doing CCP any good. Fess up.

Kwa Kaine
eXceed Inc.
Minor Threat.
Posted - 2008.05.22 18:27:00 - [29]
 

/Signed, take em to task people!

Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange
Nabaal Syndicate
Posted - 2008.05.22 18:28:00 - [30]
 

I haven't seen anything on this topic except in this board. Can somebody provide a link please?


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