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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2008.05.23 16:16:00 - [121]
 

Originally by: Felysta Sandorn
Considering that goons have outright said they are here for the 'lulz' and just want to ruin other player's gaming experiences, I'm inclined to agree with the OP... The fact of the matter is, if goons wanted to, they could create a thread in this forum and give it 1000 thumbs up at the drop of the hat, making the whole idea completely impractical. I for one don't want to wait for that to happen before someone realises a mistake has been made.

I'd say a maximum of one player per alliance should be in the CSM, meaning get rid of one of the goons. That way at least we can retain some of the sanity from this mockery of a council.


Not picking on you but I think you fall into a trap quite a few are currently stumbling into - don't look at the forum froth from uninvolved people and see the CSM itself as "mockery". 9 representatives and 5 alternates were chosen and in they main they are sensible, adult and mature people, with a wide range of real-life skills and abilities that will be critical for this role. From my first informal meeting with my fellow Reps I've found them positive and enthusiastic and friendly. I personally expect great things from the council.

Its a reality of any political process that there will always be some lunatics that follow the parade and try and cause controversy to stir up emotions and fervor because they enjoy that sort of thing. Trick is look past the noise to see the signal, judge the CSM on what it does. Not what the loudest disruptive "look at me!!!!" forum voices try to pretend it does. That way you'll get a much more accurate view on proceedings and what the CSM can actually achieve.

As for the OP post - I'm against it. The ultimate player sanctioned "vote of no confidence" is to not elect people again at the next election. This will happen if people abuse their power and responsibility or simply don't do the job.

And of course there is a CCP sanctioned "no confidence" if reps actively break the rules and confidences of the job and behave improperly and in that case the misbehaving rep will be replaced by the top alternate.

In either case this is all we actually need and it would be an extremely bad precedent to introduce some kind of mob-shouting mechanic to remove CSM reps in situ. I think we all know where that would lead.




Zariphina Wylde
Posted - 2008.05.23 17:31:00 - [122]
 

Originally by: Lord XSiV
How about a vote of no confidence for the entire CSM?

Afterall, it is hardly a democratic representation of the community if only 11% of the population turned out to vote. In fact, the vote by itself shows a no confidence in the the process so it most certainly should be scrapped.

As a paying customer I would rather see the money being spent on improving the game rather than giving out free trips to iceland based on a popularity contest.


Turnout <> not being able to vote. They chose not to vote, so they didn't.

If they couldn't vote, or were kept form voting, that'd be different.

Otherwise, they're just apathetic.

Gordon Antilis
Gallente
Astronomical Terminus Survey
Posted - 2008.05.23 20:08:00 - [123]
 

No Support!

Goonswarm has done a lot for the community, and have single handedly destroyed far worse enemies in the Eve Universe. Goons wouldn't have been voted in if the people didn't want it.

Raymond Sterns
Utopian Research I.E.L.
The ENTITY.
Posted - 2008.05.23 20:47:00 - [124]
 

Edited by: Raymond Sterns on 23/05/2008 20:47:40
wrong thread

Silence Duegood
Posted - 2008.05.23 20:49:00 - [125]
 

Originally by: Gordon Antilis
No Support!

Goonswarm has done a lot for the community, and have single handedly destroyed far worse enemies in the Eve Universe. Goons wouldn't have been voted in if the people didn't want it.


The above is the stupidest post I've read in a long while.

I'll be sitting on the edge of my seat waiting for you to cite some examples of what wonderous things GS has done for the community (DoS attacks and racial/sexist discriminatory remarks don't really count, btw).

This game (let alone the CSM board) would be a far better place without them and their petulance.


Phelan Driscoll
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.05.23 20:53:00 - [126]
 

Originally by: Silence Duegood

The above is the stupidest post I've read in a long while.

I'll be sitting on the edge of my seat waiting for you to cite some examples of what wonderous things GS has done for the community (DoS attacks and racial/sexist discriminatory remarks don't really count, btw).

This game (let alone the CSM board) would be a far better place without them and their petulance.




We also made fun of fat people.

Yorda
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.05.23 20:56:00 - [127]
 

Originally by: Silence Duegood
Originally by: Gordon Antilis
No Support!

Goonswarm has done a lot for the community, and have single handedly destroyed far worse enemies in the Eve Universe. Goons wouldn't have been voted in if the people didn't want it.


The above is the stupidest post I've read in a long while.

I'll be sitting on the edge of my seat waiting for you to cite some examples of what wonderous things GS has done for the community (DoS attacks and racial/sexist discriminatory remarks don't really count, btw).

This game (let alone the CSM board) would be a far better place without them and their petulance.




Forced people to realize that maybe they could have fun in this game? Titan manifesto? Helped stop a single entity from owning all of 0.0? Repeatedly crash markets once people realize they are profitable (see data core market)?

OldPueblo
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.05.23 21:48:00 - [128]
 

Edited by: OldPueblo on 23/05/2008 21:48:31
EVEMon

The sad horrible truth is that the size and diversity that makes up GoonSwarm is pretty much exactly the best place to discover what in game needs balancing, nerfing, buffing, etc. Very few entities in game can take a game mechanic fully through its paces to see whether they are broken or an actual benefit to the EVE community. I know that breaks all your hearts to learn that you are actually quite dependent on us. At this point donations would not only be welcomed, but encouraged.

MrClock
Gallente
Easy Co.
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2008.05.24 03:22:00 - [129]
 

Oh hey so that's what the thumb is for

Darius JOHNSON
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.05.24 05:42:00 - [130]
 

Edited by: Darius JOHNSON on 24/05/2008 05:43:05
Originally by: Silence Duegood
Originally by: Gordon Antilis
No Support!

Goonswarm has done a lot for the community, and have single handedly destroyed far worse enemies in the Eve Universe. Goons wouldn't have been voted in if the people didn't want it.


The above is the stupidest post I've read in a long while.

I'll be sitting on the edge of my seat waiting for you to cite some examples of what wonderous things GS has done for the community (DoS attacks and racial/sexist discriminatory remarks don't really count, btw).

This game (let alone the CSM board) would be a far better place without them and their petulance.




The examples you've asked for are all over. In my CSM thread for one. The attacks and whetever you're allegating simply haven't occurred. Show proof or get out. Goonswarm has never, ever engaged in any illegal activity.

:edit: I'd like to note that you're the petulant one ITT.

El'Niaga
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2008.05.24 10:25:00 - [131]
 

Though I am no fan of Goonswarm (or most of the 0.0 powers), I think this is presumptious at best. Lets give them at least a chance.

Xofii
Hedion University
Posted - 2008.05.25 20:07:00 - [132]
 

Do not support

Silence Duegood
Posted - 2008.05.26 04:08:00 - [133]
 

Originally by: Darius JOHNSON

The examples you've asked for are all over. In my CSM thread for one. The attacks and whetever you're allegating simply haven't occurred. Show proof or get out. Goonswarm has never, ever engaged in any illegal activity.

:edit: I'd like to note that you're the petulant one ITT.


Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha...

Seriously, are you delusional? I mean, GS is famous for what among the playerbase? Furthering the game? Helping people? No.

Goatse links, sponsorship scams, sexism, racism, griefing, GS members/leadership have even openly admitted to wanting to disrupt and/or ruin the game for others en masse.

What proof do I need? It's common knowledge the GS was responsible for the DoS attacks on EVE/CCP a while back. People know and have observed what you all do. You can be delusional in your blog all you'd like regarding how amazing GS is for the community. However, most people with half a brain can spend a week in the game and find out for themselves that GS is held in low regard for a reason - you all are childish and play the game to 'win' and to grief people.

LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
Posted - 2008.05.26 05:48:00 - [134]
 

Originally by: Darius JOHNSON
Goonswarm has never, ever engaged in any illegal activity.


Darius, did you read this devblog?

Quote:

The fact that this attack took place over a holiday weekend was especially revealing of motive, which we believe was specifically by design to ensure that CCP would not be able to react as fast and efficiently as we would under normal circumstances. The allegations investigated above by this internal affairs department will also be examined by our legal resources, as we do not intend to sit idly by while our servers, community and reputation are under attack.



As far as I can see, this devblog actually talks about legal matters.

Ameliorate
Posted - 2008.05.26 06:33:00 - [135]
 

Offering my support to prevent EVE becoming Something Awful or Goons in Space.

Jowen Datloran
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute

Posted - 2008.05.26 11:18:00 - [136]
 

Originally by: LaVista Vista

Darius, did you read this devblog?



Oh, I had nearly forgotten about that.

Guess I won't now.

Silence Duegood
Posted - 2008.05.26 20:12:00 - [137]
 

Edited by: Silence Duegood on 26/05/2008 20:12:21
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Darius JOHNSON
Goonswarm has never, ever engaged in any illegal activity.


Darius, did you read this devblog?


Yep, Goonswarm are GREAT for the community!

ShockedRolling Eyes

Theramin Dogon
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.05.26 22:47:00 - [138]
 

Edited by: Theramin Dogon on 26/05/2008 22:56:29
I support your vote of no confidence thread, as well as your "**** goons" stance.

Originally by: Silence Duegood
I mean, GS is famous for what among the playerbase? Furthering the game? Helping people? No.
So I guess you've never heard of a little program called "EVEmon". And are you implying that having two members on the CSM board is detrimental to the game somehow? It's not like Darius and Bane will be able to strongarm anybody, and the two of them actually understand how the game works.

Pretty much everybody is going to feel like they didn't get represented...but only 10% of the population voted. If you're going to be angry at someone, there's a huge block of voters out there who didn't vote the way you did. Be angry at them.

Kyrie Elaison
GoonFleet
Posted - 2008.05.26 23:01:00 - [139]
 

Edited by: Kyrie Elaison on 26/05/2008 23:03:06
Originally by: Silence Duegood
Originally by: Darius JOHNSON

The examples you've asked for are all over. In my CSM thread for one. The attacks and whetever you're allegating simply haven't occurred. Show proof or get out. Goonswarm has never, ever engaged in any illegal activity.

:edit: I'd like to note that you're the petulant one ITT.


Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha...

Seriously, are you delusional? I mean, GS is famous for what among the playerbase? Furthering the game? Helping people? No.

Goatse links, sponsorship scams, sexism, racism, griefing, GS members/leadership have even openly admitted to wanting to disrupt and/or ruin the game for others en masse.

What proof do I need? It's common knowledge the GS was responsible for the DoS attacks on EVE/CCP a while back. People know and have observed what you all do. You can be delusional in your blog all you'd like regarding how amazing GS is for the community. However, most people with half a brain can spend a week in the game and find out for themselves that GS is held in low regard for a reason - you all are childish and play the game to 'win' and to grief people.



You're a moron. If eve can (more or less) handle 30k + connections simultaneously, I'm sure eve-o can handle a few thousand posts in the span of an hour (you know, just like it does everyday). Seriously, not even CCP has ever intimated that this was anything criminal*, so it boggles the mind why you continue to beat that drum.

*Because you're dumb, I know you won't understand the difference between civil and criminal liability.

Silence Duegood
Posted - 2008.05.27 16:35:00 - [140]
 

Originally by: Theramin Dogon
Edited by: Theramin Dogon on 26/05/2008 22:56:29
I support your vote of no confidence thread, as well as your "**** goons" stance.

Originally by: Silence Duegood
I mean, GS is famous for what among the playerbase? Furthering the game? Helping people? No.
So I guess you've never heard of a little program called "EVEmon".


This is about the most inane thing I've read in a while. That someone would post something so fundamentally lacking in reason and logic is pretty incredible. However, this is Goons we're talking about.

What one or two members do with a piece of software does not speak to the entirety of Goonswarm. Did you all help with the development of the programs? Were you all pecking at the keyboard like a thousand monkies to assist with the software?

Goonswarm IN GENERAL have demonstrated through actions and blatant admissions that it is their intention to ruin the game for others, and to grief people out of the game through any means necessary.

The actions (and admissions) of hundreds of you speak to the group as a whole. That one or two of you develop some useful software does not.

Nice try though. I'll look forward to more Goons bumping this thread.

Esmenet
Gallente
Posted - 2008.05.27 16:41:00 - [141]
 

Originally by: Silence Duegood
stuff



Your own posts show that the goons give a certain flavour to the game that is valuable.

procurement specialist
Posted - 2008.05.27 17:45:00 - [142]
 

Originally by: Calyce
I agree to an extent.
The council themselves should be able to ahve a vote of no confidence in other members, but only after they have had time to see what the person is like/doing.

This whole bloomin no confidence before the CSM has even done anything is completely stupid.

The two goonies who were voted in I have confidence in, but some of the utter ****ers who happen to be in the same alliance shoud be banned from the human race.

On the whole I'd say, no, we voters shouldn't have any more say in the matter once we have voted the members in. Thes rest should be up to the CSM candidates that we voted for.

If you didn't vote, then maybe next time you will actually bother to vote.

silence == acceptance.


quotin dis

memyselfand I
Posted - 2008.05.27 19:15:00 - [143]
 

Originally by: Claire Lacombe
Subverting electoral systems by those who gain power seems like a good way to introduce credibility into such a fledgling system.


Explains George Bush's election as president the first time then.........

Silence Duegood
Posted - 2008.05.28 17:06:00 - [144]
 

Originally by: Esmenet

Your own posts show that the goons give a certain flavour to the game that is valuable.


What an amazing example of a Goon alt typing some words yet saying nothing.

OldPueblo
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.05.28 18:57:00 - [145]
 

Originally by: Silence Duegood
Originally by: Theramin Dogon
Edited by: Theramin Dogon on 26/05/2008 22:56:29
I support your vote of no confidence thread, as well as your "**** goons" stance.

Originally by: Silence Duegood
I mean, GS is famous for what among the playerbase? Furthering the game? Helping people? No.
So I guess you've never heard of a little program called "EVEmon".


This is about the most inane thing I've read in a while. That someone would post something so fundamentally lacking in reason and logic is pretty incredible. However, this is Goons we're talking about.

What one or two members do with a piece of software does not speak to the entirety of Goonswarm. Did you all help with the development of the programs? Were you all pecking at the keyboard like a thousand monkies to assist with the software?

Goonswarm IN GENERAL have demonstrated through actions and blatant admissions that it is their intention to ruin the game for others, and to grief people out of the game through any means necessary.

The actions (and admissions) of hundreds of you speak to the group as a whole. That one or two of you develop some useful software does not.

Nice try though. I'll look forward to more Goons bumping this thread.



I don't think you have a clue about anything IN GENERAL regarding GoonSwarm. The alleged "forum DDOS" was actually orchestrated by a maximum of three goons using multiple eve clients inside vmware virtual machines using heavy scripting.

Ulstan
Posted - 2008.05.28 19:01:00 - [146]
 

Edited by: Ulstan on 28/05/2008 19:03:41
If elected CSM members are not taking their role seriously and are instead planning to use it to cause trouble, then they shouldn't be CSM members. Simple as that.

I have no idea whether the goons in question do or do not fall into this category, however. I have no problems with the Goon tag. There are Goonies who can be responsible and mature as the occasion demands. If the two CSM's are in that category, we have no problem.

Joza Gulikoza
The first genesis
Posted - 2008.05.28 19:43:00 - [147]
 

Goony smell gtfo

Squirrrel
Gallente
Squirrrel Industries
Posted - 2008.05.28 21:19:00 - [148]
 

Vote is as vote does. No.

Draygo Korvan
Merch Industrial
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.05.29 04:19:00 - [149]
 

Originally by: Jowen Datloran
Originally by: LaVista Vista

Darius, did you read this devblog?



Oh, I had nearly forgotten about that.

Guess I won't now.


And guess why we have the CSM. (hint hint its a direct result of these sort of things).

Phroneo
Caldari
Southern Cross Empire
Flying Dangerous
Posted - 2008.05.29 06:50:00 - [150]
 

I've read some terrible things about Goons, spoken/written by goons.


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