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OldPueblo
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.05.23 01:05:00 - [91]
 

If only goons did something to contribute to the EVE community, like I don't know develop an application that everyone in EVE can rely on that dramatically improves the users ability to plan and track their skills. But who are we kidding right? HAHAHA LOL GOONS

Kinkie Yuuki
Posted - 2008.05.23 01:13:00 - [92]
 

I concur.

Sakura Nihil
Selective Pressure
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2008.05.23 03:12:00 - [93]
 

Let's give them a chance to prove themselves first, shall we?

That being said, watch how this 1st council acts, and if it becomes necessary, then I'd support it.

Breha Organa
Posted - 2008.05.23 03:20:00 - [94]
 

I'm only going to reply to this topic because I thought some of you might like to look at a graph of the election results... to see just what the so-called independent candidates were up against.

Before the year is out, the current council will be replaced by new members, again by vote. As exhausting as the election was for me (I was recovering from abdominal surgery)... I will be running again. My campaign website is going to undergo some changes, and I will do a better job of getting my message out.

Wikis
Posted - 2008.05.23 04:35:00 - [95]
 

+1

Teclis van'Dreike
Caldari
GoonWaffe
SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
Posted - 2008.05.23 05:59:00 - [96]
 

Edited by: Teclis van''Dreike on 23/05/2008 06:00:50
This is the best forum!

Totally in support of making Goons second class eve citizens.

Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Naqam
Posted - 2008.05.23 07:29:00 - [97]
 

OP is dramawolf, do not support.

I mean, I don't like goons as a whole either, but they're people just like us arn't they? trying to deny them any worth because you don't like their ideals is particually fascist.

J'Mkarr Soban
Posted - 2008.05.23 08:33:00 - [98]
 


Heroldyn
Posted - 2008.05.23 08:45:00 - [99]
 

NO SUPPORT

if the csm really has the power to change anything at all, the goon people will add to that in their own, unique way.

its allways good to have a very diverse group of people in such a constallation.

Lord XSiV
Amarr
Kodar Innovations
Posted - 2008.05.23 08:47:00 - [100]
 

How about a vote of no confidence for the entire CSM?

Afterall, it is hardly a democratic representation of the community if only 11% of the population turned out to vote. In fact, the vote by itself shows a no confidence in the the process so it most certainly should be scrapped.

As a paying customer I would rather see the money being spent on improving the game rather than giving out free trips to iceland based on a popularity contest.

steejans nix
Amarr
Black Core Federation
Posted - 2008.05.23 09:02:00 - [101]
 

Do not support.

Do not either support the way they play but they got elected and got the right to stand.

BTW who would by getting rid of these 2 council members get on the CSM ?

Max Teranous
Body Count Inc.
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2008.05.23 09:07:00 - [102]
 

Wouldn't it be easier to just not let goons vote? then they wouldn't get reps onto the CSM.

Oh, and best not let women or black people vote either.

Seriously for a sec, discrimination in a democratic system is bad, m'kay?

Max Cool

Sariyah
HUN Corp.
HUN Reloaded
Posted - 2008.05.23 09:13:00 - [103]
 

Originally by: Rawr Cristina
I don't like goons as a whole either, but they're people just like us arn't they?


Haha, no they aren't Laughing Guess you're someone that would setp up for Mojo Jojo's human rights, too Laughing

Poreuomai
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2008.05.23 11:40:00 - [104]
 

Edited by: Poreuomai on 23/05/2008 11:41:45

Originally by: Leandro Salazar
... would like to see the two GoonSwarm members on the CSM removed and replaced by the top backups ... please note that this thread was a direct response to THIS one.

AGAINST. 100%

For the same reason as I stated in THAT thread; it should be the player base who call for and hold any vote of no confidence.

Scagga Laebetrovo
Failure Assured
Posted - 2008.05.23 11:44:00 - [105]
 

Originally by: Leandro Salazar
Edited by: Leandro Salazar on 23/05/2008 08:03:24
In the case of clear ridicule and disrespect expressed towards the CSM and EVE as a whole by members of their alliance, as well as the stated intent to disrupt EVE as game by said alliance, I would like to see the two GoonSwarm members on the CSM removed and replaced by the top backups, because the only thing I am confident they will do is make the work of the council harder and do their best to hurt EVE as a game.

Express support or discuss criticism of this idea here. Thank you.

DISCLAIMER:
If you are not a Goon but intend to defend them, before you jump into this thread, brandishing your Sword of Righteousness +5, and defend the human rights of every Goon ever born and mark me as a rascist, fascist, murderer of democracy and public enemy #1, please note that this thread was a direct response to THIS one. Then think long and hard about the meaning of words like irony and parody...


Based on the reasoning behind your proposal, I rate you lower than any goon. Well done on shooting yourself in the foot three times in the same post.

I would suggest a vote of no confidence be a recourse available to CSM members, not voters. Furthermore, it could only binding if the move acquired a strong majority (e.g. probably at least 6 or 7/9 CSM members).

Felysta Sandorn
Celestial Apocalypse

Posted - 2008.05.23 11:53:00 - [106]
 

Considering that goons have outright said they are here for the 'lulz' and just want to ruin other player's gaming experiences, I'm inclined to agree with the OP... The fact of the matter is, if goons wanted to, they could create a thread in this forum and give it 1000 thumbs up at the drop of the hat, making the whole idea completely impractical. I for one don't want to wait for that to happen before someone realises a mistake has been made.

I'd say a maximum of one player per alliance should be in the CSM, meaning get rid of one of the goons. That way at least we can retain some of the sanity from this mockery of a council.

Scagga Laebetrovo
Failure Assured
Posted - 2008.05.23 11:55:00 - [107]
 

Originally by: Felysta Sandorn
Considering that goons have outright said they are here for the 'lulz' and just want to ruin other player's gaming experiences, I'm inclined to agree with the OP... The fact of the matter is, if goons wanted to, they could create a thread in this forum and give it 1000 thumbs up at the drop of the hat, making the whole idea completely impractical. I for one don't want to wait for that to happen before someone realises a mistake has been made.

I'd say a maximum of one player per alliance should be in the CSM, meaning get rid of one of the goons. That way at least we can retain some of the sanity from this mockery of a council.


Affirmative action ITP

Leandro Salazar
Quam Singulari
Posted - 2008.05.23 11:55:00 - [108]
 

Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo
Based on the reasoning behind your proposal, I rate you lower than any goon. Well done on shooting yourself in the foot three times in the same post.

I would suggest a vote of no confidence be a recourse available to CSM members, not voters. Furthermore, it could only binding if the move acquired a strong majority (e.g. probably at least 6 or 7/9 CSM members).


Sigh...
A real shame that the irony is lost on pretty much everyone except the goons themselves it seems. I really should have remembered that I learned long ago that subtleties like irony are not taught in todays schools anymore before I started this.
Oh well, it IS fun regardless (or maybe because?) of the ignorance abound.

Scagga Laebetrovo
Failure Assured
Posted - 2008.05.23 11:58:00 - [109]
 

Originally by: Leandro Salazar
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo
Based on the reasoning behind your proposal, I rate you lower than any goon. Well done on shooting yourself in the foot three times in the same post.

I would suggest a vote of no confidence be a recourse available to CSM members, not voters. Furthermore, it could only binding if the move acquired a strong majority (e.g. probably at least 6 or 7/9 CSM members).


Sigh...
A real shame that the irony is lost on pretty much everyone except the goons themselves it seems. I really should have remembered that I learned long ago that subtleties like irony are not taught in todays schools anymore before I started this.
Oh well, it IS fun regardless (or maybe because?) of the ignorance abound.


Two wrongs don't make a right, ever.

Your propositions are completely unethical and suggest that one can discriminate against a person based on actions of his alliance members. Your lack of insight in this matter is even more disturbing.

Leandro Salazar
Quam Singulari
Posted - 2008.05.23 12:04:00 - [110]
 

Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo
Two wrongs don't make a right, ever.

Your propositions are completely unethical and suggest that one can discriminate against a person based on actions of his alliance members. Your lack of insight in this matter is even more disturbing.


No. What is truly disturbing is your total lack of understanding of the meaning of irony and parody. Try this and this

And if that is not good enough, here it is in plain text: The OP was supposed to poke fun at the other thread and is not a serious proposal. Tbh I was expecting it to be locked within an hour. But I guess the mods must be having fun reading here too lol.

Scagga Laebetrovo
Failure Assured
Posted - 2008.05.23 12:11:00 - [111]
 

Originally by: Leandro Salazar
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo
Two wrongs don't make a right, ever.

Your propositions are completely unethical and suggest that one can discriminate against a person based on actions of his alliance members. Your lack of insight in this matter is even more disturbing.


No. What is truly disturbing is your total lack of understanding of the meaning of irony and parody. Try this and this

And if that is not good enough, here it is in plain text: The OP was supposed to poke fun at the other thread and is not a serious proposal. Tbh I was expecting it to be locked within an hour. But I guess the mods must be having fun reading here too lol.


Thanks for taking the time to make some links in your post. I know what 'irony' and 'parody' mean, but probably took you too seriously. Thanks for pranking about on the CSM forum...

Christy Walton
Caldari
Bloodveil
Posted - 2008.05.23 12:14:00 - [112]
 

Edited by: Christy Walton on 23/05/2008 12:14:26
Originally by: Lord XSiV
How about a vote of no confidence for the entire CSM?

Afterall, it is hardly a democratic representation of the community if only 11% of the population turned out to vote. In fact, the vote by itself shows a no confidence in the the process so it most certainly should be scrapped.

As a paying customer I would rather see the money being spent on improving the game rather than giving out free trips to iceland based on a popularity contest.


QFT.

11% shows exactly that, players DO NOT WANT CSM to speak for us. But, Jades' got another free trip!

Sigul Siento
Posted - 2008.05.23 13:56:00 - [113]
 

Anyone who can summon this much whine from so many daft people has to be doing something right *now where's the 'not supporting'-ticker...*

Illrae Pyou
Posted - 2008.05.23 14:30:00 - [114]
 

Honestly, I think Goonswarm should be taken off CSM.

The belief that they will actually help some how is the funniest **** I've heard in a while.

Phelan Driscoll
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.05.23 14:51:00 - [115]
 

Edited by: Phelan Driscoll on 23/05/2008 14:52:04
Supporting this because Darius is black. Obviously from this thread we have seen most of Eve doesn't want "that kind" of people on the CSM.

Ivas
Posted - 2008.05.23 15:36:00 - [116]
 

Originally by: Christy Walton
QFT.

11% shows exactly that, players DO NOT WANT CSM to speak for us. But, Jades' got another free trip!

Sorry Revan isn't in but she and Jade can continue having spacesex.

Telaan
Pat Sharp's Potato Rodeo
Posted - 2008.05.23 16:00:00 - [117]
 

Edited by: Telaan on 23/05/2008 16:01:31
Supporting this because I've never seen these little thumbs-up icons before and I want one too.

Horondan
Deep Core Mining Inc.

Posted - 2008.05.23 16:00:00 - [118]
 

^^ What she said

Jadon
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.05.23 16:01:00 - [119]
 

^^ What he said

Mishiel
Gallente
Multiverse Corporation
Un-Natural Selection
Posted - 2008.05.23 16:06:00 - [120]
 

NO SUPPORT

Regardless of your prejudice against any specific group, they were elected by due process, and therefore are representative of a portion of the members of this game. They deserve to be there just as anybody else does. If your worried that they will wield some sort of power over CCP may I remind you that 1) they are only 2 out of 9 and 2) your probably overestimating the impact that the CSM will actually have over CCP. This group will not be able to actually make any decisions.


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