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Kerfira
Kerfira Corp
Posted - 2008.05.22 18:22:00 - [151]
 

Edited by: Kerfira on 22/05/2008 18:24:19
Originally by: Craminu
so is the monhtly fee gonna be increased for the euro players also then?

Why should it?
We pay ~€13 per month on a subscription (3 month).
Americans will now pay ~€12.50 per month of GTC (2 month).

Seems fair to me that CCP gets the same amount of money to run their business from each customer, no matter how they pay. They'd be much better off if they charged all customers in the same currency.
Originally by: Zareph
I'm upset that there are no 30d and 90d options that have an economy of scale incenting me to buy the 90d option. Now, it's all or nothing.

This I can agree to. The price increase is about time though....

DRACO selen
The Executives
IT Alliance
Posted - 2008.05.22 18:25:00 - [152]
 

Edited by: DRACO selen on 22/05/2008 18:28:07
CCP, are you sure this is just to "To simplify the ETC reseller program" or is it rather to
"To simplify the ETC reseller program and get more money!"

I'm not realy happy to pay $166 ($55 per acc) more for this game per year Shocked..
well with the current system that would mean, that I could creat another account and I would still save money!!!

Would be realy interesting how many subscribers eve currently has..
I would gues sth. about 100,000; wow 100k x $55, what a nice sum of Dollars for simplify the ETC program....Rolling Eyes

CCP ExclamationPLZExclamation think again about this, many ppl would close accounts, because this game is just getting too expensive, or increase the prices of the 30 and 90 etc's, this would give us (the costumers) the flexibility to choose between 30, 60 and 90 day etc's.

Donald Truman
State Protectorate
Posted - 2008.05.22 18:25:00 - [153]
 

Originally by: Malcanis

From CCP's point of view, this may not consitute a price rise.


What, you mean CCP doesn't even know what they're charging?

If CCP decides they need to charge US$18-20 a month now to allow for exchange rates I can accept that. But be up front about it guys. Is that really too much to ask??

Poba
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2008.05.22 18:28:00 - [154]
 

This hits alot of ppl hard. I pay for my subscriptions for all 3 of my accounts with GTCs, while i doubt im gonna be able to pull myself from the game, im deffinatly going to have to let one of my alt accounts run out, maybey both.

shame too, there were both such nice chars.Crying or Very sad

well at least ill be doing my part to help with the lag situationSad

Taua Roqa
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2008.05.22 18:29:00 - [155]
 

now the americans have to pay the same as what us europeans pay. how is that not fair...or do you expect ccp to lower the cost for europeans?



Furb Killer
Gallente
Posted - 2008.05.22 18:32:00 - [156]
 

Question: Can I add a couple of GTCs at same time? So i just now buy a couple of 90 day GTCs and add them to my account and i dont care about all of this for a while.

Taua Roqa
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2008.05.22 18:38:00 - [157]
 

Originally by: Furb Killer
Question: Can I add a couple of GTCs at same time? So i just now buy a couple of 90 day GTCs and add them to my account and i dont care about all of this for a while.


Yes I believe you can :)

stupid flanders
Planet Express LLC
Posted - 2008.05.22 18:39:00 - [158]
 

Edited by: stupid flanders on 22/05/2008 18:39:12
Originally by: Taua Roqa
now the americans have to pay the same as what us europeans pay. how is that not fair...or do you expect ccp to lower the cost for europeans?





Just asking becuse i don't know... how much of the price differance between dollar and euro is due to that VAT?

Jack Gilligan
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.05.22 18:40:00 - [159]
 

Originally by: Naomi Chiyo
Edited by: Naomi Chiyo on 22/05/2008 15:22:22
Those new timecards don t just affect the games flexibility, thy are increasing the price by the fair amount of 35%.
Just consider a 90day -GTC being sold for over 50$ cause that would be the equivalent to those new codes.
I mean when you ve to adjust to something, and change the length of the codes,
WHY INCREASE THE PRICE BY 35% AS WELL ?




I want to know what I'm getting for that extra 35% fee before I'd call it "fair"

As for the dollar vs euro thing, does anyone seriously think CCP will lower the price when (and yes, I say WHEN because these things are cyclical) the dollar is worth more than a euro again?

Furb Killer
Gallente
Posted - 2008.05.22 18:42:00 - [160]
 

Keep hoping USD ever becomes something worth again.

Allthough of course i dont like this, it is fair imo.

Grarr Dexx
Amarr
Kumovi
The G0dfathers
Posted - 2008.05.22 18:43:00 - [161]
 

I'd revise your trinity trailer, CCP ugh

Taua Roqa
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2008.05.22 18:44:00 - [162]
 

Originally by: stupid flanders
Edited by: stupid flanders on 22/05/2008 18:39:12
Originally by: Taua Roqa
now the americans have to pay the same as what us europeans pay. how is that not fair...or do you expect ccp to lower the cost for europeans?





Just asking becuse i don't know... how much of the price differance between dollar and euro is due to that VAT?


how would I know I just pay for things if i want them and don't if i don't :P

ok, the tax is around 19% i think that's the average for europe


(and i suspect you do know you just wanted me to say it ;oP)

Shira Elan
Posted - 2008.05.22 18:46:00 - [163]
 

Originally by: Furb Killer
Question: Can I add a couple of GTCs at same time? So i just now buy a couple of 90 day GTCs and add them to my account and i dont care about all of this for a while.


Yeah, except because everyone is EXPECTING the chance, prices have already started increasing. 90d GTCs have hit 380-400mil again :( . So no you can't just pretend the news announcement never happened.

Donald Truman
State Protectorate
Posted - 2008.05.22 18:47:00 - [164]
 

Originally by: Kerfira
Originally by: Jack Gilligan
I don't think US politics are appropriate here.

Why? They're the base cause of this.



Feh. Far as I'm concerned currency exchange rates have just become little more than a big d***-measuring contest. I remember when the euro first came out and the dollar was actually worth more, and the howls that went up over there that something needed to be done about that. Guess someone did!

Siona Windweaver
Placeholder Holdings
Posted - 2008.05.22 18:48:00 - [165]
 

Edited by: Siona Windweaver on 22/05/2008 18:51:30

Industry standand is lowering first time purchase price while not changing monthly fees. Increasing a GTC price and decreasing number of available options is NOT industry standard. Not even EA does that.

If there is any change in monthly fees, they go DOWN, not up, thats the industry standard.

T4N4TOS
SoT
Soldiers of Thunderstorm
Posted - 2008.05.22 18:51:00 - [166]
 

ССР why to not leave at once only a card for 90 days??? Need money or reduction players on EvE???Neutral

Poba
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2008.05.22 18:51:00 - [167]
 

Originally by: Taua Roqa
now the americans have to pay the same as what us europeans pay. how is that not fair...or do you expect ccp to lower the cost for europeans?





when the dollar was worth more than european currency we(Americans) didnt complain. how shallow and shortsighted to think its fair to change the system so Americans are charged more now when we didnt complain when it was better for you ugh

MarKand
Aimonme Technology
Posted - 2008.05.22 18:51:00 - [168]
 

I think the general idea is to make people use their CC and not shop GTC´s.

By reducing the "profit" we as players make and instead move that profit to CCP is a good move buisiness view. Not so consumer friendly, but still smart :)

if there is a discount for 3month purchase from CCP directly I do not know, but the lack of 30 and 90 day as TOOLS for flexibility will surely be noticed. I would think that from 30days and on we will se a heavy decrease in second and third accos.

Just my 2c

/M


Kyrie Elaison
GoonFleet
Posted - 2008.05.22 18:52:00 - [169]
 

Oh look, CCP can't even bother to post anything about the decision-making involved. Just so you know guys, when you make a major change, you do need to explain it. It's one of those things that goes hand in hand with running a business.

Lykah Storm
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2008.05.22 18:52:00 - [170]
 

Originally by: Johnathan Walker
Edited by: Johnathan Walker on 22/05/2008 15:13:41
Quote:
Changes coming for ETC's and Game Time Cards

reported by: CCP Wrangler | 2008.05.22 13:57:19

To simplify the ETC reseller program and attune our product offerings with industry standards, CCP will introduce new 60-day EVE Time Codes (ETC) and Game Time Cards (GTC) for $34.99 USD. These will replace the 30- and 90-day cards that were previously available through authorized resellers and the 50- and 100-day cards sold in the EVE Store. This will affect both online ETC's and Game Time Cards sold in the EVE Online Store. Orders may still be placed for time cards of all increments while supplies last or until the changeover to the new 60-day cards goes into effect on June 15, 2008.



Dear CCP,

As a long time customer paying my own way to play Eve Online, I am both frustrated and disappointed that this decision has come down against the player base. I rather enjoy the flexibility of purchasing a 30-day code or a 90-day code when I wish to customize the length of time my account(s) are active.

Removing both 30 and 90 day options serves to limit player choice and force our decisions. I believe I speak for a fair number of players when I say this: stripping that little bit of control over how long we pay for is unwise.

I believe that simply introducing the 60 day option along with retaining the 30 and 90 day options will not only increase customer choice but may in fact drive higher traffic and sales to the company. As players are given more control and choice over their gaming experience, the possible rewards grow exponentially.

Please seriously re-consider the economic and demographic impact of removing the 30 day and 90 day options. I am one player that prefers to game in 30 day increments, and to decide where I play, when I pay, and how much I pay.

A concerned customer voting with his currency,
- JW


-edit- removed dollar comment to appease the smartpants


LOL Laughing

How poor are you guys? Can't afford 17.5 dollars per month for internet game? LMAO

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2008.05.22 18:52:00 - [171]
 

Originally by: Zephyrante
I will close extra acount will only leave main online and not sure if it will be online too long, there is ppl that cant pay € to play the game, paying with isks benefits both CCP and players, this changes will close a lot of extra acounts Bad move CCP, worst even when Lag and desyncs keep going up and up, you ask for more money for a game that doesnt get better.


Really, if an extra £1.30/month is a serious issue to you, then you shouldn't be playing online games. Go get a bar job or something.

As others have said, this is the first price rise in 5 years, and it's not even a true price rise, but more a reflection of how currency values have changed in that time. Paying 50% more than US players was always a little irksome tbh. (VAT is NOT 50% before anyone raises that damb fool point again).

Jack Gilligan
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.05.22 18:52:00 - [172]
 

Originally by: Siona Windweaver
Edited by: Siona Windweaver on 22/05/2008 18:48:45
Industry standand is lowering first time purchase price while monthly fees stayed the same.

Increasing a GTC price and decreasing number of available options is NOT industry standard. Not even EA does that.


Not even charlatans like SOE are doing that.

Blizzard doesn't go broke charging $14.95 for WOW, and for selling their GTC's at rates commensurate with that. Heck, more than half of WOW's subs are in Asia, where they charge way LESS than $14.95.

So there is no justification whatsoever for CCP to charge more money than everyone else for the same game we had yesterday. Only increasing the value of our subscription (such as allowing us to skill train on all of our characters) would justify an increase.

Poba
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2008.05.22 18:56:00 - [173]
 



LOL Laughing

How poor are you guys? Can't afford 17.5 dollars per month for internet game? LMAO


its called being a full time student, not everyone wants to flip burgers or tend cash registers their whole life. good job putting 2 seconds of thought into your comment then posting tho Rolling Eyes

Jakus Orellius
Posted - 2008.05.22 18:57:00 - [174]
 

Edited by: Jakus Orellius on 22/05/2008 19:05:20
Edited by: Jakus Orellius on 22/05/2008 18:58:57
Originally by: Lykah Storm
LOL Laughing

How poor are you guys? Can't afford 17.5 dollars per month for internet game? LMAO


It's called edu-kay-shun.

Segge Bolled
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2008.05.22 18:58:00 - [175]
 

Originally by: Lykah Storm
How poor are you guys? Can't afford 17.5 dollars per month for internet game? LMAO


You know, I'm actually starting to get really sick of these comments popping up.

You see, some people have to live on a very tight budget and believe it or not this is potentially going to make it quite harder for them to get by.

If you can't comprehend that fairly simple concept, then you're all cordially invited to go **** yourselves.

/rant off.

Poba
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2008.05.22 19:00:00 - [176]
 

Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Zephyrante
I will close extra acount will only leave main online and not sure if it will be online too long, there is ppl that cant pay € to play the game, paying with isks benefits both CCP and players, this changes will close a lot of extra acounts Bad move CCP, worst even when Lag and desyncs keep going up and up, you ask for more money for a game that doesnt get better.


Really, if an extra £1.30/month is a serious issue to you, then you shouldn't be playing online games. Go get a bar job or something.

As others have said, this is the first price rise in 5 years, and it's not even a true price rise, but more a reflection of how currency values have changed in that time. Paying 50% more than US players was always a little irksome tbh. (VAT is NOT 50% before anyone raises that damb fool point again).


by "always" do you mean since the recent dive in the dollar ? the game has been out for over 5 years now... how many US players complained of price difference when the game came out.

posting without thinking strikes again Rolling Eyes

Taua Roqa
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2008.05.22 19:00:00 - [177]
 

Originally by: Poba
Originally by: Taua Roqa
now the americans have to pay the same as what us europeans pay. how is that not fair...or do you expect ccp to lower the cost for europeans?





when the dollar was worth more than european currency we(Americans) didnt complain. how shallow and shortsighted to think its fair to change the system so Americans are charged more now when we didnt complain when it was better for you ugh


in regards to eve i think the last time the dollar was worth more than the euro was sometime in 2002 or something :P

and i'm actually english so I use the pound, which is all over the place lately, so i just get on with things and pay :(

But you have to admit, the dollar is losing value pretty sharpish Vs the euro lately, CCP are surely just responding to this :(

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2008.05.22 19:01:00 - [178]
 

Originally by: Poba
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Zephyrante
I will close extra acount will only leave main online and not sure if it will be online too long, there is ppl that cant pay € to play the game, paying with isks benefits both CCP and players, this changes will close a lot of extra acounts Bad move CCP, worst even when Lag and desyncs keep going up and up, you ask for more money for a game that doesnt get better.


Really, if an extra £1.30/month is a serious issue to you, then you shouldn't be playing online games. Go get a bar job or something.

As others have said, this is the first price rise in 5 years, and it's not even a true price rise, but more a reflection of how currency values have changed in that time. Paying 50% more than US players was always a little irksome tbh. (VAT is NOT 50% before anyone raises that damb fool point again).


by "always" do you mean since the recent dive in the dollar ? the game has been out for over 5 years now... how many US players complained of price difference when the game came out.

posting without thinking strikes again Rolling Eyes


Always = "since I have been playing".

Still, as long we're doing that comparison, what was the relative price difference? Was it as large as it has become now?

Bethesda Vortarhiat
BACKFIRE Squad
Posted - 2008.05.22 19:03:00 - [179]
 

Originally by: Gone'Postal
Originally by: Fallorn
Our government blows right now sure but then again your's wouldn't exist if it wasn't for us in WW2.


lifes a ***** ain't it, BTW Hows Vietnam, I heard you didn't do so well in that one.

If you want to bring RL into this then I don't think the good old US of A has a leg to stand on, Unless it's Clintons middle one.


Ask the French, they were there before us... and for Iraq, ask the British, they were there before us too.

Jakus Orellius
Posted - 2008.05.22 19:05:00 - [180]
 

Originally by: Bethesda Vortarhiat
Originally by: Gone'Postal
Originally by: Fallorn
Our government blows right now sure but then again your's wouldn't exist if it wasn't for us in WW2.


lifes a ***** ain't it, BTW Hows Vietnam, I heard you didn't do so well in that one.

If you want to bring RL into this then I don't think the good old US of A has a leg to stand on, Unless it's Clintons middle one.


Ask the French, they were there before us... and for Iraq, ask the British, they were there before us too.

What about Afghanistan. Pity you gave them all those weapons eh?


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