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speedek
Spricer
Raiden.
Posted - 2008.05.22 17:45:00 - [121]
 

Edited by: speedek on 22/05/2008 17:45:33
Yes CCP needs more money to fix lag, sure no prob.

But don't remove 30 and 90d GTCS ffs!

Jakus Orellius
Posted - 2008.05.22 17:47:00 - [122]
 


Fallorn
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2008.05.22 17:47:00 - [123]
 

Originally by: Kerfira
Originally by: Fallorn
Originally by: Kerfira
Originally by: Fallorn
HUR I'm wrong its only 37.06% but still the largest single group.

Being a large group isn't a reason why you should get the game cheaper than others....


No we just want what we have been getting from the start. By getting rid of 90 day cards we are paying 3 bucks less for 30 days less.

So you basically want CCP taking responsibility (and a financial loss) for the disastrous economic policy of your government?
This is not the way economics work. You buy a service from CCP, CCP pays their expenses in ISK/Euro, your currency drops against ISK/Euro, CCP has to raise your prices.

CCP would do themselves a big fat favor if they only sold GTC's or other gametime in ONE currency. Then discussions like this wouldn't occur.



Our government blows right now sure but then again your's wouldn't exist if it wasn't for us in WW2. That and a massive amount of people despise of current government look at the approval ratings.

MacQueen
Amarr
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.05.22 17:48:00 - [124]
 

Question: If I pay direct to CCP. Will I be able to get 30 day increments of game time? If so, would it continue to be the current price, or would that go up.

Thanks.

stupid flanders
Planet Express LLC
Posted - 2008.05.22 17:48:00 - [125]
 

maybe its all a trick to make us think that the CSM actually has power to change things. CCP does something that will irk a vast majority of thier customers. Those customers then turn to the newly founded CSM for anwsers and change. CCP "caves" to CSM pressure and provides the illusion that they have actual power.

I know its a reach but perhaps it will lighten the mood abit Very Happy

Jim Nakamura
Posted - 2008.05.22 17:50:00 - [126]
 

Price rise, OK. Massive cut in flexibility, not.

Running multiple accounts, and training a longish skill after your GTC runs out on one while you play the other, now not really a viable option. Either that, or there's going to be a lot of long-assed skills getting trained up to level 5.

Also, this effectively doubles the entry cost for a new customer - most people would agree that a 14-day trial isn't enough to really get into the game. Except now people can't just buy one month's extra playtime to see how much they like it; it's two months or nothing. $35 for two months gametime on something they may not like is a much bigger deal than $15 for one extra month - will almost certainly deter a lot of more casual new players who don't want to dump that much cash upfront.

Great move; make it less likely for new people to stick around, and alienate loads of existing players at the same time...

Jinx Barker
Caldari
GFB Scientific
Posted - 2008.05.22 17:50:00 - [127]
 

I do not line it, but, I do not think anything can be changed at this point. So, I just wish CCP would use the extra money they get to improve EVE.

Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
Posted - 2008.05.22 17:51:00 - [128]
 

Originally by: CCP
To simplify the ETC reseller program and attune our product offerings with industry standards, CCP will introduce new 60-day EVE Time Codes (ETC) and Game Time Cards (GTC) for $34.99 USD. These will replace the 30- and 90-day cards that were previously available through authorized resellers and the 50- and 100-day cards sold in the EVE Store. This will affect both online ETC's and Game Time Cards sold in the EVE Online Store. Orders may still be placed for time cards of all increments while supplies last or until the changeover to the new 60-day cards goes into effect on June 15, 2008.


I'm sorry CCP, the industry standard, is to offer a discount when people buy more than 1 month at a time Razz

Also, I don't think the industry standard for 1 month of MMO gametime is $17.49.

Having to adjust prices 'cause of the weak $ is fine. Just don't wrap it in BS like that... m'kay?

Ehronn
Caldari
Nutz N Boltz
Posted - 2008.05.22 17:51:00 - [129]
 

hope they keep a 30 day option :(


Furnak Tye
Caldari
Mortis Angelus
The Church.
Posted - 2008.05.22 17:52:00 - [130]
 

Edited by: Furnak Tye on 22/05/2008 17:56:24
Edited by: Furnak Tye on 22/05/2008 17:52:32
Price hike and removing the 30d/90d time codes to try and disguise it, nice! I think CCP think we are all thick/stupid/ret*rded. Although I know people are finding it harder to pay for luxury items, such as Eve, as incomes are squeezed to death by inflation. Removing the 30d time code in counter productive as it increases the "hit" for people, Maybe in Iceland things are hunky dory but I'm pretty sure in the rest of the world Food, Petrol, Energy, Tax and well pretty much everything is increasing massively in price.

A 30d time card costs roughly 7.80 yet the new 60d time card is going to be around 17.50 that's what a 12.5%ish increase. For 1x60d compared to 2x30d.

Additionally 30days roughly spreads out to 1 month, making it easier for low earners/non earners such as students to factor it into monthly budgets that can hinge on litteraly pounds/dollars/euros. But the removal of the 30d time code is silly, what's the point? is this because some clever marketing manager thought "oh no can't let the poor saps see the price increase! lets disguise it by removing the current products for easy references and create a brand new product, even more cynically done by making is $34.99, the ol .99 Physcology trick to give the impression the price is slightly less that it actually is.
Insulting our intelligence because you are trying to introduce a price increase is utter fail.


Esmenet
Gallente
Posted - 2008.05.22 17:52:00 - [131]
 

Originally by: Fallorn
Originally by: Kerfira
Originally by: Fallorn
Originally by: Kerfira
Originally by: Fallorn
HUR I'm wrong its only 37.06% but still the largest single group.

Being a large group isn't a reason why you should get the game cheaper than others....


No we just want what we have been getting from the start. By getting rid of 90 day cards we are paying 3 bucks less for 30 days less.

So you basically want CCP taking responsibility (and a financial loss) for the disastrous economic policy of your government?
This is not the way economics work. You buy a service from CCP, CCP pays their expenses in ISK/Euro, your currency drops against ISK/Euro, CCP has to raise your prices.

CCP would do themselves a big fat favor if they only sold GTC's or other gametime in ONE currency. Then discussions like this wouldn't occur.



Our government blows right now sure but then again your's wouldn't exist if it wasn't for us in WW2.


Lol i love americans and their bloated self-image.

Khan d'barr
Amarr
Posted - 2008.05.22 17:53:00 - [132]
 

The cake, this time, is indeed.. a lie.

Grarr Dexx
Amarr
Kumovi
The G0dfathers
Posted - 2008.05.22 17:53:00 - [133]
 

Thanks CCP, as if I'm not poor enough already.

Kerfira
Kerfira Corp
Posted - 2008.05.22 17:53:00 - [134]
 

Edited by: Kerfira on 22/05/2008 17:54:29
Originally by: Fallorn
Originally by: Kerfira
Originally by: Fallorn
post...

So you basically want CCP taking responsibility (and a financial loss) for the disastrous economic policy of your government?
This is not the way economics work. You buy a service from CCP, CCP pays their expenses in ISK/Euro, your currency drops against ISK/Euro, CCP has to raise your prices.

CCP would do themselves a big fat favor if they only sold GTC's or other gametime in ONE currency. Then discussions like this wouldn't occur.

Our government blows right now sure but then again your's wouldn't exist if it wasn't for us in WW2. That and a massive amount of people despise of current government look at the approval ratings.

I wasn't really criticising the current US government (though your evaluation is probably not far from the mark...), but merely explaining the reason your price has to rise.
Unfortunately a direct effect of building up an enormous deficit is that your currency drops in value, meaning all imports (and EVE gametime is an import) seems to go up in price.
CCP have just been foolish enough to accept responsibility for currency conversion (by selling their goods in more than one currency) where most other companies lets resellers do that.

Kerdrak
GreenSwarm
Black Legion.
Posted - 2008.05.22 17:55:00 - [135]
 

Edited by: Kerdrak on 22/05/2008 17:54:51
People leaving EVE because the raised price => less lag. Not so bad after all...

mamolian
Cruoris Seraphim
Posted - 2008.05.22 17:56:00 - [136]
 

Originally by: stupid flanders
maybe its all a trick to make us think that the CSM actually has power to change things. CCP does something that will irk a vast majority of thier customers. Those customers then turn to the newly founded CSM for anwsers and change. CCP "caves" to CSM pressure and provides the illusion that they have actual power.

I know its a reach but perhaps it will lighten the mood abit Very Happy


Laughing a++

Amarrian Cougar
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2008.05.22 17:57:00 - [137]
 

Screw CCP for this. Money grubbing like this is something I would expect from a gaming company like EA, but most definitely not from CCP. Hows about CCP just nerf the crap out of some equipment around June 15th as well, just as a little icing on the cake of fail.

Claudio Monteverdi
Posted - 2008.05.22 17:58:00 - [138]
 

CCP going bankrupt itt.

maybe instead of caressing gently the prices, you could try, i dont know, stop doing coke.

maybe its time to give up on eve. it honestly will not be worth the 2.50 more to lag around in outer space.

Gabriel Karade
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2008.05.22 17:59:00 - [139]
 

Originally by: Furnak Tye
Edited by: Furnak Tye on 22/05/2008 17:52:32
Price hike and removing the 30d/90d time codes to try and disguise it, nice! I think CCP think we are all thick/stupid/ret*rded. Although I know people are finding it harder to pay for luxury items, such as Eve, as incomes are squeezed to death by inflation. Removing the 30d time code in counter productive as it increases the "hit" for people, Maybe in Iceland things are hunky dory but I'm pretty sure in the rest of the world Food, Petrol, Energy, Tax and well pretty much everything is increasing massively in price.

A 30d time card costs roughly 7.80 yet the new 60d time card is going to be around 17.50 that's what a 12.5%ish increase. For 1x60d compared to 2x30d.
Additionally 30days roughly spreads out to 1 month, making it easier for low earners/non earners such as students to factor it into monthly budgets that can hinge on litteraly pounds/dollars/euros. But the removal of the 30d time code is silly, what's the point? is this because some clever marketing manager thought "oh no can't let the poor saps see the actually price increase, lets disguise it by removing the current products for easy references and create a brand new product, even more cynically done by making is $34.99, the ol .99 Physcology trick to give the impression the price is slightly less that it actually is.
Insulting our intelligence because you are trying to introduce a price increase is utter fail.


And a monthly credit card subscriber pays 12.07. So I ask I have to ask, why should I be subsidising YOUR game time?

You have nothing to whine about.

Cheng
Reikoku
Posted - 2008.05.22 17:59:00 - [140]
 

Originally by: Digital Anarchist
Dear CCP, please reconsider this decision.

Having the GTC flexibility is just one of the things that make Eve great.

If you just want to raise prices, do so openly.


What he said, I totally agree.

Shionoya Risa
The Xenodus Initiative.
Posted - 2008.05.22 17:59:00 - [141]
 

Well, there goes my second account.

/me sticks Carrier V on.

Gone'Postal
Roast and Toast Inc.
Posted - 2008.05.22 18:02:00 - [142]
 

Originally by: Fallorn
Our government blows right now sure but then again your's wouldn't exist if it wasn't for us in WW2.


lifes a ***** ain't it, BTW Hows Vietnam, I heard you didn't do so well in that one.

If you want to bring RL into this then I don't think the good old US of A has a leg to stand on, Unless it's Clintons middle one.

mamolian
Cruoris Seraphim
Posted - 2008.05.22 18:02:00 - [143]
 

Edited by: mamolian on 22/05/2008 18:02:50
Originally by: Gabriel Karade



And a monthly credit card subscriber pays 12.07. So I ask I have to ask, why should I be subsidising YOUR game time?

You have nothing to whine about.


Whos forcing you to pay monthly? The whole point in paying in chunks in advance is to save money.. ? Rolling Eyes

Furnak Tye
Caldari
Mortis Angelus
The Church.
Posted - 2008.05.22 18:05:00 - [144]
 

Edited by: Furnak Tye on 22/05/2008 18:06:11
Originally by: Gabriel Karade
And a monthly credit card subscriber pays 12.07. So I ask I have to ask, why should I be subsidising YOUR game time?

You have nothing to whine about.


Get off your throne you ****er, Maybe if you weren't such a complete **** you'd have read what I said properly instead of sticking a pole up your bum and acting all holy. I wasn't explicitly complaining about the the price increases but manner that they were introducing it, or am I too subtle for you.

Angelus Damelon
Posted - 2008.05.22 18:07:00 - [145]
 

hell yeah let's raise prices and reduce flexibility at the same time surely this will go over well

:condi:

Taua Roqa
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2008.05.22 18:08:00 - [146]
 

Originally by: Fallorn

Our government blows right now sure but then again your's wouldn't exist if it wasn't for us in WW2. That and a massive amount of people despise of current government look at the approval ratings.



involving ww2 totally out of context...pure internet ♥

Serenity Steele
Dynamic Data Distribution
Posted - 2008.05.22 18:08:00 - [147]
 

Would be helpful for the CSM if this issue could be raised in the "Assembly hall" area.


Avalira
Caldari
The Black Light Foundation
Posted - 2008.05.22 18:10:00 - [148]
 

Originally by: Serenity Steele
Would be helpful for the CSM if this issue could be raised in the "Assembly hall" area.




It is ^_^

Craminu
Gallente
Viking Research and Production
Posted - 2008.05.22 18:16:00 - [149]
 

well this sucks

the price goes up in usd.

but what happen when usd currency gets better again? is this is the reason.

+ the actually monthly fee in usd will increase using thoose 60day gtc compared to 2 30day gtc's?

so is the monhtly fee gonna be increased for the euro players also then?

Zareph
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.05.22 18:21:00 - [150]
 

Originally by: Kerfira
Originally by: Jack Gilligan
I don't think US politics are appropriate here.

Why? They're the base cause of this.

CCP operate in RL ISK (which I think is bound to the Euro?). The free-falling dollar means CCP is getting less money all the time from their US customers, but their expenses stay the same.
Basic economics say that they'll have to raise prices.


The thing is, we're not talking about a just basic run of the mill 'we need more $$ to make things work'.

It's a we're breaking 30d/90d options and giving you one, 60d that is 2x the price of the 30d, and 35% more per day than the 90d. I'm not necessarily upset that I have to work more to make more money to pay for something, I'm upset that there are no 30d and 90d options that have an economy of scale incenting me to buy the 90d option. Now, it's all or nothing.



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