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Bak Vlok
Caldari
AFK
Posted - 2008.07.13 15:45:00 - [871]
 

Totally. Could we please have a few more ragequits by multiple accounts who have too much time, want to get around the teamplay or monopolize business. It's very delightful Smile

Blazing Fire
Interstellar Operations Incorporated
Posted - 2008.07.15 06:22:00 - [872]
 

Originally by: CCP RyanD
Edited by: CCP RyanD on 23/05/2008 23:43:23
Originally by: Val Vympel

A professional and "sober" company spokesperson and PR expert(preferably at least 35 years of age) would IMO be a splendid addition to the CCP payroll.



Hi, I'll be 40 in October. Wrangler works for me. (And he doesn't write many of the news items that get posted, he just posts them. He didn't write this one, for example. You're taking shots at the wrong guy in this case.)

Normally I would not post on a thread like this but we're going into the weekend and I thought a little clarity might be useful.

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We prefer that our customers use our direct-bill services for a number of reasons. The most important is that using that system allows us to collect the full price of the subscriptions. Our Time Code systems use a reseller network, and they receive a discount from the suggested price of the Time Codes when they purchase them in bulk This discount is how they make a profit selling the codes to the public, but it means that Time Codes are a less profitable way for us to do business with our customers.

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Thanks for listening.




Can you explain one thing to me? I run (used to run) 7 accounts and used to pay with ISK for all of them, mostly by using 30 day GTCs. I could pay for no more than one with real money, but lately I am not keen on doing it, as this game still needs fixes on stuff that bugs me since couple of years.
So how eventually paying you the subscription for 1 account each month with credit card (and hopefully debit card one day) is more profitable for you then paying for 7 accounts with ISK given to other ppl who actually bought those 7 GTCs? Even with the whatever discount you give to the GTC resellers it is at least 6 time more then what you are going to get from me now.

Now I am down to 2 accounts, I am almost 100% sure that when they expire I will not renew them. Which is exactly no revenue for you at all from me. And all this because of this ETC change.

Care to explain how this is more profitable for you?

From what I read on the forums there are way too much people like me so I am pretty sure in less then two months you will lose a lot of accounts and money.

I used to provide a lot of public services to the eve community, and they will be gone when I leave. This is going to upset a lot of people. I will point them to your financial planning department for reimbursement.

And please do get me started on the cost of expansions and adding new content. Whatever the cost is, this keeps you in business. No expansions and new content = no new players and old players leaving = CCP out of business. So the money spend on expansions (which CCP owners might see as loss for their pockets) ae actually an investment which guarantees that CCP will get more money in the future.

Thanks for listening.

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Born Slave
Minmatar
Pisces Formidilosi
Posted - 2008.07.15 06:27:00 - [873]
 

Originally by: Blazing Fire

... I am almost 100% sure that when they expire I will not renew them.


Your stuff sir..
Ah, you know the rest Very Happy

Aurix Lexico
Slacker Industries
The Boat Violencing Initiative
Posted - 2008.07.15 07:06:00 - [874]
 

No, me, give your stuff to.

Carniflex
StarHunt
Fallout Project
Posted - 2008.07.15 07:19:00 - [875]
 

Originally by: Blazing Fire

Now I am down to 2 accounts, I am almost 100% sure that when they expire I will not renew them. Which is exactly no revenue for you at all from me. And all this because of this ETC change.


If it was 'profitable' to run those 7 with 30d codes then switching to 60d ones is not significant price increase as higher end 30d ones were going for near 200 mil and 60d ones are going for approx 400 mil.

Now if you mean by running 7 of them with timecodes the regular buy code, train, set long skill & expire. Then on average you would have been active at once in 3 .. 4 accounts. Thats not exactly running 7 accounts you know. If you 'need' those accounts (or can make isk with them in any sigificant manner) then you can afford to run them with GTC's still, if not .. well .. 30d codes made character 'farming' too easy anyway.

I run my alts with clear understanding what amount of isk they cost me per month and from time to time evaluate if my 'main' char would have more isk without running them. I will be cutting down from 4 to 3 accounts in approx 4 months, but I did not need that 4th anyway, timecodes were just so cheap (with 30 d code, train, expire, etc) that 4th was more like 'hell, why not'. Those 2 'other' remaining accounts will be able to still maintain themselves, as I use them to make more isk per hour and were almost always active before this change anyway.

Blazing Fire
Interstellar Operations Incorporated
Posted - 2008.07.15 07:39:00 - [876]
 

I used to run my 7 accounts almost all of the time. Definitely not for character farming. I do PvP, manufacture, invent, run POSes, do some alliance politics and trade in large scale. So no character farming.

With 30day GTCs it was easy for me to get 7x180m (1 260 000) ISK month. Now I have to get 7x400 each two months, (2 800 000 ISK), which is 1 400 000 ISK/month. Not much more expensive, but what this mean is that I have to spend more time grinding ISK. Also I have to buy skills, ships, and invest ISK in my ingame business. You probably don't have an idea how much ISK is that.

And because you can't have one "do it all" character, you have to have multiple chars to be able to experience most of the things EVE offers in a reasonable time.

And what I rant about is not the price increase, but the loss of convenience with the 30 and 90 day cards, that's all.


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Ralle030583
Mystic Lion Hearts
Sev3rance
Posted - 2008.07.15 07:52:00 - [877]
 

Originally by: Blazing Fire

With 30day GTCs it was easy for me to get 7x180m (1 260 000) ISK month. Now I have to get 7x400 each two months, (2 800 000 ISK), which is 1 400 000 ISK/month. Not much more expensive, but what this mean is that I have to spend more time grinding ISK. Also I have to buy skills, ships, and invest ISK in my ingame business. You probably don't have an idea how much ISK is that.
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i dont know that 140mio isk more are made in a day for you with 7 accs i think even faster, so where is the point? are you whining cause of one more day a month more work?

Corrock
Minmatar
Tactical Warfare Assault Team Sublime
Posted - 2008.07.30 14:20:00 - [878]
 

Originally by: Gabriel Karade
Originally by: Jacob Marden
Unless I read the CSM election results wrong, it states that almost 40% of the subscription base is North American. Making that much of your playerbase pay more money essentially because the smaller percentage of Euros are evading their own countries' taxes by buying with dollars doesn't strike me as making much sense. The NA people are going to be making the same amount of income regardless, so increasing the cost of their entertainment will just alienate more of them and sooner or later they'll talk with their money.
When you guys are paying the same as the rest of us you'd have something to complain about.

Until then shove it up your arse.


Yeah, the thing with exchange rates is that when a currency drops in value against other currencies, things become more expensive, not less. The overall buying power of the currency in its native country is reduced, and everything in general now costs more. Try to at least glance at an Econ 101 text once in awhile.

medea betencore
Gallente
Mineral Monkey
Posted - 2008.07.31 07:29:00 - [879]
 

I had been paying for 3 accounts with ISK because I can not afford to pay in cash. Prior to this change it was never too tough to come up with 160-180m isk to turn an account back on for 30 days. The sticker shock of a 400m+ GTC is too much, yes its only 20-40m more per month, but not only am I paying more, I'm being forced to buy more.

I wanted to buy a couple onions to toss into a stew....Now I am required to pay more, and buy a ten pound bag of onions.

This isnt a threat, but I dont make enough per month for 3 accounts. I automatically lose 1 of my 3. Thats one account you were getting paid for that your not now. Having it on as a convinence will no longer happen, I'll only turn it on if I have dire need for it (and I dont see that happening).

My ISK-Income didnt go up, but my cost of living just did. I cant pay for this price increase, so I have to cut *something* to keep going, hence 1 of 3 accounts are expired and I can not purchase a GTC for it. I can come up with 160-180m, but that isnt an option availible anymore.


SiJira
Posted - 2008.08.17 14:32:00 - [880]
 

this sundays 39 thousand were very angry about this


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