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Uryene
Merch Industrial
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.05.27 03:46:00 - [721]
 

How much of a pulse in revenue is CCP likely to get based on scaring
a good portion of their player base into buying a year or twos worth
of 90d GTCs before the price goes up?

Interesting psy-op opportunity.

Of course, that could backfire as a lot of people pay their account ahead
considerably and then don't buy ANYTHING for quite some time...

Ammoina
University of Caille
Posted - 2008.05.27 03:53:00 - [722]
 

Originally by: Uryene
Of course, that could backfire as a lot of people pay their account ahead considerably and then don't buy ANYTHING for quite some time...


Probably gives CCP more money in the long run. They get the sudden surge of income now, stick it in their bank/investments and earn interest off of it. Depending on the rate of return a smaller lump sum now is better than a larger sum paid over time.

Vanessa Vale
Posted - 2008.05.27 06:05:00 - [723]
 

I'm not sure I can justify paying more for a game I consider pretty much broken...

Nikolae Varius
Amarr
Mongrel Squad
Posted - 2008.05.27 06:28:00 - [724]
 

You know what bugs me? That CCP has to introduce the 60 day GTC to try to veil a price increase. I wish they just came out and said: Yep, dollar blows ass. So gonna raise sum prices for all that beer we drink. And respectively increased the 30, 60 and 90 day GTC prices. Instead of OOO LOOKIE! NEW GTCs! But then you cant blame em. Blatantly increasing the price would make ccp look like money hoggers. And yes. This is less blatant. ugh

Una D
Ex Coelis
The Bantam Menace
Posted - 2008.05.27 06:56:00 - [725]
 

Originally by: Snake Tanuki
So I really understand if some people prefer to buy their gametime abroad. Why should only big companies benefit from globalization? Everytime the little man could benefit from worldwide trade. it's illegal. Companies build there hardware in china for half the cost, but I have to pay full price so the bosses can get richer and spend time with more expensive callgirls? Sure. Evil or Very Mad



That is capitalism and is the GOOD THING (TM). Just ask any economy pleeb. It is all for your best. That is why your nike sneekers cost 100€ but manufacturing costs are 1€. Than you can feel that you helped the poor guy who made it (or at least the fat rich exec if we are staying in the RL).

Anyway I just don't see why they can't have same price everywhere. So what if few US peeps get ****ed at it. We are already ****ed at them so it would just make it 1:1 :)

Tivookz
Caldari
Long Dong Corp
Intergalactic Exports Group
Posted - 2008.05.27 08:38:00 - [726]
 

I have 4 accounts thanks to the fact that I can buy gtc's priced in USD since I can save some money doing that.

However, if this new price change sets in motion I doubt that I will be able to keep them all running.

CCP, please reconsider.

Tiv

deepb
Posted - 2008.05.27 09:05:00 - [727]
 

Whew, I was afraid they were going to tell us they were raising prices.. Hooray for simplicity! Hooray for CCP!


^^^ this is how CCP envisioned our reaction. :) ^^^



Seamus Drummer
Posted - 2008.05.27 09:28:00 - [728]
 

Originally by: Zephyrante

Im an european player, all my corp mates are and all are buying in dolars because you pay less that way so no, smart europeans that where buying GTCs in Dolars arent happy.


Uuh, what's so smart in weakening your own economy?

Besides that, from what I've read, I'm on the other side of the "whine scale". I, too, pay my accounts with GTCs. But contraire to kost other here, I prefer the 180 days GTC.

Locii
Posted - 2008.05.27 11:49:00 - [729]
 

still no responce from ccp? shame on them. people rely on 30 and 90 day time codes. even at a high price people still want them

Kyax
Posted - 2008.05.27 12:38:00 - [730]
 

Due to exchange rate changes since eve went live CCP must realise that people will buy a GTC in which ever currency is cheapest. They offer prices in local currencies but people circumvent them easily. It is obviously an excuse to re fix exchange rates as I bet most of CCPs bills are in euros and its income in USD.

CCP just tell the truth. Dont treat people like idiots.

Locii
Posted - 2008.05.27 12:46:00 - [731]
 

wouldnt the bills come in thier own currency and now that is going down the pan they will be making even greater margins from the euro customers

Oghma Grianainech
Minmatar
Wise Guys
Exquisite Malevolence
Posted - 2008.05.27 16:10:00 - [732]
 

Edited by: Oghma Grianainech on 27/05/2008 16:11:46
Dear CCP,

Congrats on yet anther sucking and epic fail decision, I was just wondering how many devs, management, PR professionals and whatnots did you lads have a discussion with about such a obsurb plan ? Maybe 1 guy just played scrissor, paper, stone with himself and decided the course of action. 60days only being the mininal choice of payment .... I quit, I am sure many like myself budget what we pay for per month and this is just ****ing stupid and bolloks. Thank you for proving yet again we the consumers are just ****ing ******s.

Not to mention we who do not live in the bloomy US already pay almost 40% more then anyone. MM actually come to think of it, that does not comply with fair trade or any US or EU standards.....


Una D
Ex Coelis
The Bantam Menace
Posted - 2008.05.27 17:47:00 - [733]
 

Originally by: Seamus Drummer
Originally by: Zephyrante

Im an european player, all my corp mates are and all are buying in dolars because you pay less that way so no, smart europeans that where buying GTCs in Dolars arent happy.


Uuh, what's so smart in weakening your own economy?

Besides that, from what I've read, I'm on the other side of the "whine scale". I, too, pay my accounts with GTCs. But contraire to kost other here, I prefer the 180 days GTC.


We feel sorry for US and want to help it's people by helping it's economy?

Gho Higyidr
Black Serpent Technologies
R.A.G.E
Posted - 2008.05.27 18:19:00 - [734]
 

How does this affect paying with a credit card? Can I still choose to pay per month?? Eliminating the 30/90 day GTC's is a bad move. It just sound slike you are trying to stifle and cripple the ECT trade market in game for isk.

I forsee a large drop in your player base (mostly from alts) if this goes into affect.. and the interest in this game is going to fall due to it being less cost efficient. I know I don't want to pay 5 bucks more a month for a game. I'd rather go play something else.

H Zebra
Zebra Corp
Posted - 2008.05.27 19:25:00 - [735]
 

asked why living in england i have to pay in euros, this is teh responce.

'Unfortunately we are obligated to charged our European customers in Euros.'

lie's please provide the details on the law that says uk based customers have to pay in euro..

fed up with lie's from you ccp. come out and say the truth. we charge you in euros cos we end up with more cash in our pocket

Wrathamon Starfury
Gallente
AWE Corporation
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2008.05.27 19:43:00 - [736]
 

Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Donald Truman
Originally by: Digital Anarchist
If you just want to raise prices, do so openly.


This. I find it quite off-putting to see CCP portraying this in terms of "we're just simplifying things and getting in line with industry standards", with zero acknowledgment that this constitutes a subscription fee increase.

Unless raising prices without saying that's what you're doing is the "industry standard" they're talking about.


From CCP's point of view, this may not consitute a price rise. They don't work in dollars. They may in fact just be ending what has come to constitute a huge discount to US customers.

AFAIK, I'm still paying 15 Euros per month as a subscriber. For a long time, US players were paying considerably less than me. Now that the subsidised dollar price has been equalised, why the outrage?


You do know that the US players make up over 60% of the paying player base right?

H Zebra
Zebra Corp
Posted - 2008.05.27 20:04:00 - [737]
 

Originally by: Wrathamon Starfury
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Donald Truman
Originally by: Digital Anarchist
If you just want to raise prices, do so openly.


This. I find it quite off-putting to see CCP portraying this in terms of "we're just simplifying things and getting in line with industry standards", with zero acknowledgment that this constitutes a subscription fee increase.

Unless raising prices without saying that's what you're doing is the "industry standard" they're talking about.



From CCP's point of view, this may not consitute a price rise. They don't work in dollars. They may in fact just be ending what has come to constitute a huge discount to US customers.

AFAIK, I'm still paying 15 Euros per month as a subscriber. For a long time, US players were paying considerably less than me. Now that the subsidised dollar price has been equalised, why the outrage?


You do know that the US players make up over 60% of the paying player base right?


60% are you having a laugh mate?

Delphi Disra
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2008.05.28 05:38:00 - [738]
 

this is bad buisness ccp :(

/signed

Qwyp
Posted - 2008.05.28 07:20:00 - [739]
 

Please keep the 30 and 90 day gtc options as well. I can understand if the price increase is needed, but the convenience of having 30 and 90 day options is so nice.
I myself use the 30 day gtc's using isk since at the moment thats about the only way I can pay for the moment.

Crying or Very sad

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2008.05.28 07:34:00 - [740]
 

Originally by: Wrathamon Starfury
You do know that the US players make up over 60% of the paying player base right?

You <expleteve deleted> lying <expletive deleted> misinformation-spreading <expletieve deleted> no-good <bleepitybleep> !

Country % of subscribers
United States 37.06%
United Kingdom 13,92%
Germany 8,05%
Russia 5,54%
Canada 4.84%
Australia 3.04%
Netherlands 2,30%
Sweden 2,28%
Denmark 2,24%
Poland 0,84%
France 2,47%
Finland 1,05%
Norway 1,43%
Hungary 0,41%
Ukraine 0,90%
Austria 0,81%
Belgium 0,75%
Romania 0,67%
Brazil 0,31%
Spain 0,59%
Others 10,50%

There. Freaking 37%.

H Zebra
Zebra Corp
Posted - 2008.05.28 07:50:00 - [741]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Wrathamon Starfury
You do know that the US players make up over 60% of the paying player base right?

You <expleteve deleted> lying <expletive deleted> misinformation-spreading <expletieve deleted> no-good <bleepitybleep> !

Country % of subscribers
United States 37.06%
United Kingdom 13,92%
Germany 8,05%
Russia 5,54%
Canada 4.84%
Australia 3.04%
Netherlands 2,30%
Sweden 2,28%
Denmark 2,24%
Poland 0,84%
France 2,47%
Finland 1,05%
Norway 1,43%
Hungary 0,41%
Ukraine 0,90%
Austria 0,81%
Belgium 0,75%
Romania 0,67%
Brazil 0,31%
Spain 0,59%
Others 10,50%

There. Freaking 37%.



being part of teh 13.9% of uk subscribers, our fees have gone up 18% in the past 10 months. we now pay over 50% more than us players for the same year (131.40 euros is 105, $131.40 is 67) let us pay in our own currencey, like you let the us players as this will stop currency fluxations for us.

xena zena
The Money Shot Inc.
Posted - 2008.05.28 09:55:00 - [742]
 

We need more info from ccp on this! Exclamation

Lo3d3R
Mos Eisley Social Club
Posted - 2008.05.28 10:54:00 - [743]
 

35% price increase via some vague mumbling acting like its no bigdeal post my foot!!!!!!

Hasak Rain
Amarr
Posted - 2008.05.28 11:41:00 - [744]
 

Originally by: Nikolae Varius
You know what bugs me? That CCP has to introduce the 60 day GTC to try to veil a price increase. I wish they just came out and said: Yep, dollar blows ass. So gonna raise sum prices for all that beer we drink. And respectively increased the 30, 60 and 90 day GTC prices. Instead of OOO LOOKIE! NEW GTCs! But then you cant blame em. Blatantly increasing the price would make ccp look like money hoggers. And yes. This is less blatant. ugh



I am not a CCP Fanboy by any means and I don't agree with this move either.

However, in all honesty, if they had come out and said "Hello..due top the weak dollar in the US, we are raising prices on our GTCs" the whine thread would be just as long if not longer than this one.


DrefsabZN
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.05.28 12:25:00 - [745]
 

The main points seam to be people are happy paying more money but they are very unhappy with less options for GTC and being blatantly lied to by CCP saying they are doing it for x reason but they clearly are not. I bet resellers are mighty upset as well at this.

It would be nice to see CCP actually respond to this given the fact they have upset a large number of their customers their total silence on the issue just comes across as if they don't care about the customer base.

As for the issues of FW and ambulation, FW im looking forward to (it will add something for those not in 0.0 mega corps or have hundreds of people to play with), but ambulation is something that really isn't wanted, sure if you can do it without an effort go for it but it seams its taking some serious dev time.

Xavier Linx
Posted - 2008.05.28 14:04:00 - [746]
 

Originally by: DrefsabZN
The main points seam to be people are happy paying more money but they are very unhappy with less options for GTC and being blatantly lied to by CCP saying they are doing it for x reason but they clearly are not. I bet resellers are mighty upset as well at this.



Agreed

Originally by: DrefsabZN
It would be nice to see CCP actually respond to this given the fact they have upset a large number of their customers their total silence on the issue just comes across as if they don't care about the customer base.




Not really true. The answer from ccp can be found here. Even though I admin that it's not many answers in there...

H Zebra
Zebra Corp
Posted - 2008.05.28 14:32:00 - [747]
 

Originally by: CCP RyanD
[ Although our pricing does not mirror the marketshare leader at this time, it does reflect the internal assumptions we are basing our business plan on, and our price is something we are comfortable with at this time.





well we all know what assumtions are dont we? the mother of all fxxx up's

ArmyOfMe
Hysera.
Posted - 2008.05.28 17:24:00 - [748]
 

This belongs back on page 1

StinkFinger
Caldari
SupaDupaSip GaNkA
Posted - 2008.05.28 20:09:00 - [749]
 

Originally by: ArmyOfMe
This belongs back on page 1


^^

Smantha Dering
Caldari
Profit Seekers
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2008.05.28 20:26:00 - [750]
 

I'm not goint to quit, but code sellers won't be getting my isk anymore from me or my alts.


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