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Wet Ferret
Posted - 2008.05.26 02:28:00 - [691]
 

Originally by: Luca Muso
I have a solution. Everyone who is whining that they will have to pay a slight increase in GTC do the following:

1. Give me your stuff
2. Uninstall EVE
3. Go play WoW



I think I'll go farm my extra isk for my subscription payment in a crowded mission hub. And I hope it lags a node that you're on when I do it, jackass.

Tatoed Goat
Gallente
AAA.FSI Holding
Posted - 2008.05.26 03:53:00 - [692]
 

Originally by: Val Vympel

It was for people like you that the term "Eurotrash" was coined. [)





As opposed to 'swamptrash'?

Pinel
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
Posted - 2008.05.26 04:02:00 - [693]
 

I can understand the price increase, but please keep the options, the convenience really helps having more than just 1 gtc, 30 and 90 really makes things easier. I know I buy 30 day gtc with isk and it helps me continue playing. The convenience of the 30/60/90 really helped.

Sabrina Treadehugger
Posted - 2008.05.26 07:40:00 - [694]
 

Originally by: Tek'a Rain
Edited by: Tek''a Rain on 25/05/2008 21:40:19
Originally by: Sabrina Treadehugger


hey you're also in this cattegory can i have your stuff ?




Your.. a little slow, is that it? Train Reading to level one, then come back and try again, wont you?

Or stop ****-posting and try to be coherent.

Change does not terribly effect people in US, as its dead easy to find a way to pay for Eve, no GTC needed.

Change does not Effect people in Europe/etc paying via Sub or buying Eur/e timecodes.

Change Does effect people who were cheating CCP and buying from the wrong location, and also effects people who buy their way ahead with GTC-Isk transfers. Nothing wrong with stopping cheaters and people who buy isk, is there?

Of course, I dont agree with the removal of most card types. Fixing the system is great, but taking away flexibility is never cool.

edit: UK changed to Europe/etc



Pls train Reading and Writing to level one, then come back and try again, won't you?

You know jack**** about europe(it's not all E.U. and euro yet) or about the rest of the world, come back when you are less ignorant and can spell.

Oh and cheaters lol , you could say they cheat the vat or the local irs but not ccp, all they do is not pay more than americans or other non euro countries.

Isk buyers will get more isk out of this by selling 2 months instead of 3 months for the same price but with more demand.

And it's affect not effect , moron !

Locii
Posted - 2008.05.26 08:12:00 - [695]
 

dont you just know someone from ccp is reading all this thinking(well possibling thinking)
well we have ****** a lot of US players off, We have ****** a lot of european players off. But **** them we want more money so nothing gonna make us think our choice is a stupid one and who cares that the US gets a 57% discount

omglollolol
Posted - 2008.05.26 08:36:00 - [696]
 

Edited by: omglollolol on 26/05/2008 08:36:49
now that I realized how big noob I was paying monthly fee via cc... 15 euro - 27$ per month, when I could get 38$ per 3 month, I have completely no problem with CCP raising prices and introducing 60d. GTC... fair enuf, and still cheaper than 30 euro per 2 months.

Balance to everyone uh, those who don't agree read my sig and/or kiss my *insert your fantazies here*
GJ CCP

Going Forit
Posted - 2008.05.26 11:28:00 - [697]
 

This thread deserves atleast another week on first page


Prochura
Posted - 2008.05.26 11:33:00 - [698]
 

I'll have to close my second account..:(

CWevers
Destructive Influence
IT Alliance
Posted - 2008.05.26 11:35:00 - [699]
 

/signed

Mystri
Posted - 2008.05.26 12:35:00 - [700]
 

Edited by: Mystri on 26/05/2008 21:11:28
Originally by: Tatoed Goat
Originally by: Mystri
For people who earn and pay for their GTC's in USD, GTC's are effectively redundant. They are only of use to Europeans who pay EUR-->USD for them. Even then they are only worthwhile if you currently pay monthly by EUR, as credit card charges for a USD purchase may shave even more off any savings. Notice that CCP are effectively trying to stop income lost through the 90-day GTC.

This is an unusual business decision. CCP have effectively stopped selling GTC's to people in the United States. The only market now for GTC's are countries using the Euro currency or have a strong currency value against the dollar. They are effectively forcing people in the United States to use credit cards/other payment means. That's one hell of a gamble to play with your customers, never mind the GTC resellers.
And they are forcing Europeans to pay more so where is the fairness? You already said that Europeans pay 57% more and yet you still defend 40% of the playerbase.
...


I wouldn't say they are forcing Europeans to pay more, Europeans are paying more by default because of the USD devaluation. It wasn't always like this and it may change in the future if USD rises in value.

"Europeans pay 57% more and yet you still defend 40% of the playerbase". It's called having an open mind and seeing different points of view, you must try it... it's quite liberating when you break free of the tunnel-vision. And, erm... can you you please provide evidence that the entire US (40%) playerbase use GTC's and all Europeans use EUR subscriptions only, because you are comparing apples & oranges with my points there (they were under different headings to aid understanding).

Originally by: Tatoed Goat
...
CCP should simply use the Euro and not the Dollar, simple as that.


No it's not "as simple as that". It's a lose-lose situation for CCP at the current time. A rough breakdown of EUR subs v USD subs.

By changing all prices to the USD, CCP lose 57% (19% with Icelandic VAT @ 24.5%) revenue from EUR customers. Customers are happy, CCP's Bank manager has a heart attack. By changing to EUR, CCP loses a good portion of it's player base who pay in USD because of a 57% price hike. Customers are unhappy, CCP's Bank manager has a heart attack.

Either:
  • CCP wait until EUR/USD equalise, then change to single currency (CCP would have to absorb future currency fluctuations).

  • Divide up subscription currencies into equal (converted) values for major currencies, then review prices every 6 months, or at the end of every financial year.

  • Do nothing and let currency markets dictate who's paying what.


CCP take a kick in the financial fun bags? Fat chance, they have other projects cooking and a large new wage bill coming up (at least $2 million there, 51 positions plus plurals).

OMG i'm defending CCP now! Rolling Eyes

Originally by: Tatoed Goat
...
I have already written a letter of complaint to the European office of trade and would like to ask all others unhappy with this to do the same. Iceland isn't in the EU but still has to abide by trade laws of the EU.


Thanks for the laugh. I take it you will be suing them next...

News just in! Iceland ejected from EFTA for charging Europeans too much to for an internet spaceships game!


Korth
Amarr
Serenity Technology
Posted - 2008.05.26 12:50:00 - [701]
 

Let's just use the Eve subscription rate as the basis for the Euro/USD exchange rate. That seems to be what y'all are asking.

And Val do you get any of that 290 billion dollar farm subsidy money that was just passed?

Kransthow
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2008.05.26 13:03:00 - [702]
 

lol at price hike tears
lol at isk buyer tears
lol at ccp removing 30 day and 90 day

overall thread grade: A+ would read again

Daelin Blackleaf
White Rose Society
Posted - 2008.05.26 13:26:00 - [703]
 

Did the 2005 proposition to have VAT charged at the customers rate go through or is the providers rate still applied?

Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups
Posted - 2008.05.26 14:41:00 - [704]
 

These lazy americans should get off their butss and go get a job or something.

This would equalise out the exchange whatchama-thingy and everyone will be happy.

SKUNK

Makhan
Posted - 2008.05.26 14:53:00 - [705]
 

Originally by: Le Skunk
These lazy americans should get off their butss and go get a job or something.

This would equalise out the exchange whatchama-thingy and everyone will be happy.

SKUNK

Kill yourself.

Kartala
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2008.05.26 17:06:00 - [706]
 

i have to close my alts too...

thx ccp, uve more money, but less players - its that what u want?
okok, less ppl on tq, less lag, more money. nice tactic..:/

Val Vympel
Caldari
24th Imperial Crusade
Posted - 2008.05.26 17:43:00 - [707]
 

Originally by: Korth
And Val do you get any of that 290 billion dollar farm subsidy money that was just passed?


No..no subsidies here.

Aside from the standard tax breaks I receive for the charities that I donate to.

Una D
Ex Coelis
The Bantam Menace
Posted - 2008.05.26 18:39:00 - [708]
 

Originally by: Kartala
i have to close my alts too...

thx ccp, uve more money, but less players - its that what u want?
okok, less ppl on tq, less lag, more money. nice tactic..:/


Too bad it doesn't work like that. Less people means only less money. The lag is due to a lot of players liking the same system. If the nimber of droped subscriptions go far enough that it is noticed in the liked system there will be a bigger problems than lag (like noone playing the game :D ).

Anyway now they can brag about leading industry in both charging for the game and ****ing of your customers :)

H Zebra
Zebra Corp
Posted - 2008.05.26 18:59:00 - [709]
 

when i bought a year subs last year it was 131.40 euro.. which in our own currency pounds sterling, was 90. now as my year is nearly up i once again have to pay 131.4 euro. but as the pound has gone down against teh euro i have to pay 105. a increase of 18%.

this is something americans are not having to deal with. you get to pay in your own currencey and it dosnt matter how its doing against anything else.

so when ccp says they havnt put the sub's up.. you have by making me pay in a currency thats isnt the one i get paid in

Zephyr Rengate
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2008.05.26 19:01:00 - [710]
 

So CCP will be making more money?



H Zebra
Zebra Corp
Posted - 2008.05.26 19:04:00 - [711]
 

nope most likly 131.40 euros less, as i will have to close my alt account. 210 for 2 accounts is to much on a space ship game. a us player could get 3 for the same prices

Franco Caruso
Posted - 2008.05.26 19:18:00 - [712]
 

Well, in my humble opinion ... CCP as we know it is dead.

Oveur once mentioned something about footsteps in the snow or something like that and that CCP is making them and not following them. Following a pricing model ... please welcome CCP to the corporate world where penny pushers have more say then common sense.

CCP, in the past, has done good. They made single cluster gameworld, against all rules of the gaming industry.
They gave us free expansions, something unique it was.

Now, they are drastically raising the entry level price of the game effectively killing the chances for "young blood" to join us. I think that this is the most stupid move anyone could make.

Why ?

You mention "WoW" to somebody and pretty much everybody, unless you live in cave somewhere and have never surfed the net, kowns what you talking about.
Now, here comes EVE-Online ... nice ads on gaming site, intriguing but not mainstream or easy to understand when you come from other MMO's. You get yourself a trial ... 14 days ... well, you do not need credit card for that. Let's do that.
You stick your nose in, looks nice ... let's subscribe.

Here comes what I am on about ... the entry level, non Credit Card fee is what now ... 35$ US instead of 15.

This is a very very bad business move. I do not complain bout the raise, as many have said they are willing to pay more, so am I. It's about making the game more inaccessible to new players.
I do understand the financial firlefanz and jumbo mumbo only halfways ,wife does my accounting, so I do not care about how much my accounts cost as long as she doesn't frown.

Bottom line, the question to CCP:

Dear CCP,

have you thought about "new subscribers" and how you raise the obstacles for them to join your game ?

Regards,

FC

PS: As usual, follow the thoughts and not my writing, they normally overtake each other when I type.


Rorin Cutter
Caldari
Defensores Fidei
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2008.05.26 19:57:00 - [713]
 

Well, Monday is over and nothing that I can see from ccp? It would be nice to know that ccp take the player base serious. Anyone hear or see anything from them yet?

Rastadeen
Minmatar
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.05.26 20:07:00 - [714]
 

Funny thing with this is, prices go up when currency drops blabla... But do prices go down when currency goes back up? Not likely :D


Tank CEO
Caldari
Dark Cartel
Posted - 2008.05.26 20:09:00 - [715]
 

I don't agree with removing 90day gtc. I really enjoy paying isk for those and not have to worry about payment for 3 months.

Ehronn
Caldari
Nutz N Boltz
Posted - 2008.05.26 20:14:00 - [716]
 

I know prices eventually have to go up due to inflation, but PLEASE let us keep the convenience of having the 30, 60, and 90 day codes.

I use the 30 day gtc's usually myself with isk due to disability and it makes things much more easier and convenient.

hopefully they'll reconsider. But who knows Crying or Very sad

H Zebra
Zebra Corp
Posted - 2008.05.26 21:39:00 - [717]
 

Originally by: Rorin Cutter
Well, Monday is over and nothing that I can see from ccp? It would be nice to know that ccp take the player base serious. Anyone hear or see anything from them yet?


looks like they are happy that the customers are happy

Snake Tanuki
ZiTek
Posted - 2008.05.27 01:31:00 - [718]
 

What doesn't seem fair to me is that even with 19% VAT I still pay way more than someone paying in $. $15 with VAT would translate to about 11.50, not 14.95
I'm not the one responsible for the weak $ ok? In the EU we have problems too, we have unemplyment here in germany, our food gets more expensive, our gas prices sky rocketed in the last months, our health care system costs more than it should and so on.

So I really understand if some people prefer to buy their gametime abroad. Why should only big companies benefit from globalization? Everytime the little man could benefit from worldwide trade. it's illegal. Companies build there hardware in china for half the cost, but I have to pay full price so the bosses can get richer and spend time with more expensive callgirls? Sure. Evil or Very Mad
Tax Evasion? Half of the month salary flows into a myriad of taxes. How is that evasion?

Anyways, I could live with a moderate price increase on GTCs. Maybe the current one is a little steep, oddly enough still cheaper than paying in .
What really bothers me is the loss of flexibility with only 60 days to choose from. I fail to see the big hassle CCP has with GTCs. They can sell them in a bulk to the resellers, which then sell it to customers. Meaning that resellers have to deal with all payment issues and customer problems instead of CCP.
If more people get the credit card or bank account abo, CCP has to deal with any payment related issues, thus having more work for customer services. Is this really so much better? Confused

Oakrayven
Gallente
Federal Defence Union
Posted - 2008.05.27 01:36:00 - [719]
 

Originally by: Val Vympel
Originally by: IonKnight
FYI ur an idiot!!!.



I am profoundly disappointed that a citizen of a nation noted for their collective manners and etiquette would stoop to calling me...a mere yankee...an idiot.

*tips hat




Im a Texan

He did not need to tell me that about you Yankees! Seriously who in the right mind lives in a climate where you can walk on rivers and the precipitation needs to be dug up with a shovel for nearly half the year. Personaly I would wrather be sunburned than frostbit!

Just kidding!

Shinzu Takigawa
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2008.05.27 02:52:00 - [720]
 

Seems like CCP wana make more money in uk terms it will raise cost of gaming on eve from roughly 7 pounds every 30 days to between 8.50-9 every 30 days.


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