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Luca Muso
Posted - 2008.05.25 17:22:00 - [661]
 

Edited by: Luca Muso on 25/05/2008 17:40:26
Edited by: Luca Muso on 25/05/2008 17:25:31
Edited by: Luca Muso on 25/05/2008 17:24:45
Listen carefully, I am a player from the US, if you are as well take some time to think upon what I have to say..

I agree with CCP's decision. It is real simple to find the reasons for it, the US Dollar is very weak.

I'm not, nor have I ever been a political person. Mainly because I like to avoid drama. However, the fact is our Dollar is weak and our Government/Leaders are to blame. What do you expect to happen when at War for such an extended period of time.

If anything blame this increase in payment on the fact that the majority of Americans, including myself, have glanced in the other direction as Corruption takes over in our Leaders and our large Corperations.

I don't intend to turn this into a polotical debate, I apologize for that. However, in it's simpliest form that is why Americans are now paying more for EVE than we have in the past so either pay it or help do something about the US Economy.

evilloz0
Caldari
Posted - 2008.05.25 17:29:00 - [662]
 

Changing the price of game time cards so effectively they cost more is in away black mail to me, people have invested time and money into playing this game and so feel very reluctant to just give it all up, so wen the cost of playing goes up they feel compelled to pay the new inflated price.

CCP make a nice amount of money how things are im sure.

Is there really any need for the price increase???

I could understand if they were in finantial difficulty.

Breka Muso
Posted - 2008.05.25 17:34:00 - [663]
 

Edited by: Breka Muso on 25/05/2008 17:34:31
Originally by: evilloz0
Changing the price of game time cards so effectively they cost more is in away black mail to me, people have invested time and money into playing this game and so feel very reluctant to just give it all up, so wen the cost of playing goes up they feel compelled to pay the new inflated price.

CCP make a nice amount of money how things are im sure.

Is there really any need for the price increase???

I could understand if they were in finantial difficulty.


CCP is a Corperation. Their purpose is to make profit. If our dollar, Americans, falls then they need to increase our payment to make the same amount of profit as before. It is real simple.

If you were arguing about the option for a 30 day GTC I would understand. Very Happy

I meant to post with Luca Muso, I am not trying to Alt post, my apologies!

Mystri
Posted - 2008.05.25 17:35:00 - [664]
 

My main points are in yellow.

Conversion Values:

USD-->EUR - 0.6352
EUR-->USD - 1.5742


Current standard sub pricing

Rest of World (RoW)

RoW standard 1-month base sub: $14.95 per month
  • --( x 0.6352)--> 9.49 per month

RoW standard 3-month sub: $38.85 per quarter ($12.95 per month)
  • --( x 0.6352)--> 24.68 per quarter (8.23 per month)

Europe (EU)

EU standard 1-month base sub: 14.95 per month
  • --( x $1.5742)--> $23.53 per month

EU standard 3-month sub: 38.85 per quarter (12.95 per month)
  • --( x $1.5742)--> $61.16 per quarter ($20.39 per month)

Europeans pay 57% more.

Current GTC pricing

Example sub paid by GTC's over 1 year. Note: there is not truly 30 days in each month.

30-day: $14.95 / 30 = $0.4983 per day x 365 days = $181.8795 per annum / 12 months = $15.16 per month
  • --( x 0.6352)--> 9.63 per month

90-day: $38.85 / 90 = $0.43167 per day x 365 days = $157.5596 per annum / 12 months = $13.13 per month
  • --( x 0.6352)--> 8.34 per month

Current 'GTC price v Standard subs' show Europeans would save 55% (CCP lose this amount) by purchasing GTC's with EUR-->USD. While those currently paying for GTC's in a USD currency country pay 1.4% (just a couple of dollars) more than a standard sub due to there being 365 days in the year.

New 60-day GTC

60-day: $34.99 / 60 = $0.583167 per day x 365 days = $212.86 per annum / 12 months = $17.74 per month
  • --( x 0.6352)--> 11.27 per month

Note that it now costs $17.74 per month. You could argue that this fair considering Europeans pay $23.53 when subscribing by EUR.

How it affects people who pay for GTC's

60-day GTC v '90-day GTC/standard 3-month sub':
  • It is now 35.1% ($4.61/2.93) per month more expensive to use a GTC (there is only one type now).

  • If you earn your income in USD, you would now be better off paying by Credit Card/Other means.

  • Europeans would now only save 15% (1.68) per month compared to a standard 3-month sub, a increase of 40% (2.93) per month.

60-day GTC v '30-day GTC/standard 1-month sub':
  • It is now 17% ($2.58/1.64) per month more expensive to use a GTC (there is only one type now).

  • Again, if you earn your income in USD, you would now be better off paying by Credit Card/Other means.

  • Europeans would now save 33% (3.68) per month compared to a standard 1-month sub, a increase of 22% (1.64) per month.

For people who earn and pay for their GTC's in USD, GTC's are effectively redundant. They are only of use to Europeans who pay EUR-->USD for them. Even then they are only worthwhile if you currently pay monthly by EUR, as credit card charges for a USD purchase may shave even more off any savings. Notice that CCP are effectively trying to stop income lost through the 90-day GTC.

This is an unusual business decision. CCP have effectively stopped selling GTC's to people in the United States. The only market now for GTC's are countries using the Euro currency or have a strong currency value against the dollar. They are effectively forcing people in the United States to use credit cards/other payment means. That's one hell of a gamble to play with your customers, never mind the GTC resellers.


Morphisat
Hidden Agenda
Deep Space Engineering
Posted - 2008.05.25 18:00:00 - [665]
 

Nice math mystri. The cc sub is still the most expensive one, 11 euro / month for a 60 day card is still not too bad.

Lugaid Laga
Posted - 2008.05.25 18:31:00 - [666]
 

Nice breakdown of the percentages there ...

In real terms it means that this account (which is 1 of 3 I have) is after going over what I am prepared to pay and will be set with Caldari BS 5 and left in mothballs so to speak. I may train him up to a level where he is useful as a second char on one of my other accounts or just sell him.

Effectively with the increases in GTC's CCP have lost out on 5 euros (number pulled from ass, but its around that) from me even though I still play the game (well, skill changing and waiting for something good to happen in the game)

Val Vympel
Caldari
24th Imperial Crusade
Posted - 2008.05.25 18:36:00 - [667]
 

Originally by: Roku Kotaki
Originally by: The macdaddy
Originally by: Val Vympel
Originally by: Red Desire
<textbook knowledge>
<The dairy farmer who made sense!>


Dude.... you run a farm it doesnt make you donald trumpNeutral


And Donald Trump doesn't run the business world, as you may think. Rolling Eyes

In fact, the small business owner, like Val, knows more about business than Mr. Trump and runs the business world far better. The reason why? Small businesses make up the largest portion of all businesses, worldwide, and know far more of what their employees and customers need and desire, because they stay connected with their employees. And your best customers are usually the ones who work for you.

Your snide remark and the implication that he's just a farmer and knows nothing about business, is ignorant, at best. Any kind of farming is hard work and IMHO, the most competitive industry in the world. I would trust the farming CEO's opinion, before I would trust the word of anybody like Donald Trump. Everybody on this planet needs the goods and services these hard-working people provide.

To be on topic, if CCP (which happens to be a small to mid-size business) decides to follow industry guidelines for GTCs, it's because the profit margins will go up and the red tape will go down, no matter what doomsayers may think, because they have done the market research and found it to be favorable. No company, as succesful as CCP, makes changes that would be detrimental, on a whim.

They may lose a few subscribers, but in the end they will gain way more than you know. If Eve was destined to fail, then why, pray tell, does the subscriber base keep rising after 5 years? They must be doing something right!


Sir,I applaud you.Smile

Sensible and sober and very well worded.
And my appreciation for your kind and considerate words.

And to the player who said I was not Donald Trump....
Thank you,for the compliment...have you seen his hair.ShockedLaughing

Luca Muso
Posted - 2008.05.25 18:55:00 - [668]
 

Originally by: Val Vympel
Originally by: Roku Kotaki
Originally by: The macdaddy
Originally by: Val Vympel
Originally by: Red Desire
<textbook knowledge>
<The dairy farmer who made sense!>


Dude.... you run a farm it doesnt make you donald trumpNeutral


And Donald Trump doesn't run the business world, as you may think. Rolling Eyes

In fact, the small business owner, like Val, knows more about business than Mr. Trump and runs the business world far better. The reason why? Small businesses make up the largest portion of all businesses, worldwide, and know far more of what their employees and customers need and desire, because they stay connected with their employees. And your best customers are usually the ones who work for you.

Your snide remark and the implication that he's just a farmer and knows nothing about business, is ignorant, at best. Any kind of farming is hard work and IMHO, the most competitive industry in the world. I would trust the farming CEO's opinion, before I would trust the word of anybody like Donald Trump. Everybody on this planet needs the goods and services these hard-working people provide.

To be on topic, if CCP (which happens to be a small to mid-size business) decides to follow industry guidelines for GTCs, it's because the profit margins will go up and the red tape will go down, no matter what doomsayers may think, because they have done the market research and found it to be favorable. No company, as succesful as CCP, makes changes that would be detrimental, on a whim.

They may lose a few subscribers, but in the end they will gain way more than you know. If Eve was destined to fail, then why, pray tell, does the subscriber base keep rising after 5 years? They must be doing something right!


Well said, swift words to cut down people speak before they think.

Val Vympel
Caldari
24th Imperial Crusade
Posted - 2008.05.25 19:10:00 - [669]
 

Edited by: Val Vympel on 25/05/2008 19:29:32
Originally by: Red Desire
Originally by: Val Vympel




Next you will tell me cattle feed is free.(not to mention all the high-tech equipment that goes into modern dairy farming...or I assume you think we still milk by handLaughing)






Yes, I also think moon is made of cheese and if I find a way to transport it, I would put you out of business.

The be franc with you dear sir, you are a loud month bragging dummy.
But to give you a lesson in internet spaceship game forum, nobody gives a crap about what you do in real life, especially if it doesn't have any connection to us.
So...we don't care what you do, not care of gallons of milk, not care of tons of cheese... actually we wouldn't care if you were Dalai Lama, if you don't have something to say related EVE.

But because I bashed you for your field of "expertise", I will respond. I have played MMOS for 7 years and I work for a game company in the TOP 5 for 5 years now.

Now our discussion is over, have a nice dairy life!



Now....removed from the shadows of complete anonimity you are an opponent worthy of my respect.

I applaud you and your stance,irregardless if you respect me or mine.

Good day,and I hope this GTC/ETC situation resolves itself to your satisfaction.

As to your position on "internet protocol".
A pile of steaming manure has more worth to me than your opinion or the opinion of your generation on this matter.

I don't give a crap about what conventions and covenants that I break or fail to observe concerning my style of posting.

NOW!...the discussion is over.
Enjoy whatever liberal rag you are reading and remember where the milk comes from in the latte that you are sipping.Laughing

May the digital god(s) bless you richly.


IonKnight
Posted - 2008.05.25 19:20:00 - [670]
 

Thanks CPP, thank you for making my life harder.

6.50 a month with old 90 GTC's or 78 a year
8.8 a month with new GTC a month 105 a year
8.71 a month with a one year subscription 104 a year (IN EUROS)
11 a month with a one month subscription 132 a year (IN EUROS)
5.5 a month with a 12 months subscription 66 a year (IN DOllars)
7.5 a month with a one month subsciption 90 a year (IN Dollars)

Well now i will struggle to pay for this game thanks to CPP's retartness. Now they have decided to scrap 90 days i have to find a way to pay for this game. As 90 day was long enough peroid for me to sort my account out so i could pay for the next 90 days.

Now if they actually standardised the credit card subsciption so that US players didnt pay less i wouldn't mind. However increasing the prices of the GTC's just puts ppl in europe out of pocket (as US players pay in dollars while everyone else pays in euros (in terms of subscription anyway)).

Now anyone with half a brain should see that the US are getting a way better deal infact the can actually save even more money than now (with 90 GTC's) if they buy a year plan. Now how the hell is this fair PLZ FFS CPP STANDARDISE UR PRICES STOP MAKING PPL IN EUROPE SUFFER FOR AMERICAN SHORT COMMINGS.

Personnally i dont really care about the price increase what ****es me off more than anything in the world is why should American Players get a better deal. ALso anyone who says its politics is stupid that has nothing to do with it. I just cant understand why they think its fair to raise the prices of everyone no american.

Now if American's had to pay the same as us (in otherwords everyone paid in euros i would be happy) Why does CPP think they should charge less for a game in one country just cause they have a **** exchange rate. It's not like american's earn more or europeans earn more. E.g Mcdonolds working in england will get paid 5 pounds in america its 10 dollars.

Simply im just ****ed off at CPP's favoritism to American's COME ON CPP Sort IT out instead of trying to get more money out of European Players.

Tiirae
The 5th Freedom
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2008.05.25 20:10:00 - [671]
 

Everything is Europe is more expensive than in America. The price of cigarettes & petrol is ridiculous. PS3 and Xbobx cost far more than they do in the U.S.

I would have thought you'd be used to it by now Rolling EyesRolling Eyes

Also, people actually buy GTCs and use them themselves? I had no idea, I thought people bought GTCs and sold them ingame for ISK.


Fantaxy
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
Posted - 2008.05.25 20:27:00 - [672]
 

You also removes guys who trade GTC for ISK..
so back to ccp fubar the players again..
thanks

IonKnight
Posted - 2008.05.25 20:31:00 - [673]
 

Yea like i said economics doesnt come into it. DOesnt matter what cost where u should always pay the same price for a subsciption no matter where u are espesically a game where exchange rates have no matter (yes i think EVE should change everyone in EURO's or Dollars not both).

IonKnight
Posted - 2008.05.25 20:36:00 - [674]
 

Yea not just ppl who buy GTC's for ISK but also the oppersite way round. However this wont happen exactly it will just make it not worth selling them as ISK farmers will be able to provide a better deal. Well done CPP wait to go giving the ISK Farmers and Micro Miners more reasons to stay (ISk prices will go up along with the prices of GTC's in isk). So to ppl who paid with ISK this is pretty much the end (i know alot of ppl who do this and they are struggling atm let alone after the GTC's). Ppl buying GTC's to sell for ISK will also wont bother as risk/reward will be so much greater buying it from ISK Farmers instead of other real players. Well done CPP

Val Vympel
Caldari
24th Imperial Crusade
Posted - 2008.05.25 20:42:00 - [675]
 

Originally by: IonKnight
E.g Mcdonolds working in england will get paid 5 pounds in america its 10 dollars.


FYI: Few(a very small tenured minority)people working for McDonalds in the United States earn an hourly rate of $10.00 per hour. The vast majority work for the US minimum wage($5.85 per hour) or just above it(approx. 10% to 15% more)

Managers and assistant managers at the store level(not corporate)earn in the $10.00 range(or slightly more)..however....nearly all of them are salary and work an average of 50 to 55 or more hours per week.
Do the math and even managers earn little more than their hourly counterparts.(company benefits considered)

5 pound sterling per hour to work for McDonalds in the UK...it would appear that...Ronald McDonald is a more generous clown to you than he is to us.

Wink

IonKnight
Posted - 2008.05.25 21:05:00 - [676]
 

Edited by: IonKnight on 25/05/2008 21:17:00
Edited by: IonKnight on 25/05/2008 21:12:54
"FYI: Few(a very small tenured minority)people working for McDonalds in the United States earn an hourly rate of $10.00 per hour. The vast majority work for the US minimum wage($5.85 per hour) or just above it(approx. 10% to 15% more)

Managers and assistant managers at the store level(not corporate)earn in the $10.00 range(or slightly more)..however....nearly all of them are salary and work an average of 50 to 55 or more hours per week.
Do the math and even managers earn little more than their hourly counterparts.(company benefits considered)

5 pound sterling per hour to work for McDonalds in the UK...it would appear that...Ronald McDonald is a more generous clown to you than he is to us.

Wink"

FYI ur an idiot!!!. I was using that as an example yes americans might earn a little less or a little more than that but then mcdonolds workers in the UK dont earn 5 pounds an hour (infact alot less than that infact its just the minimum wage. Anyway my point was not on how much u earn compared to us i was showing u that two people in two different countries still technically get paid the same cause things cost relative to ur exchange rate. E.g If it get paid a tenner and something cost u 1 dollar its going to cost 50 p here as that tenner is the equivilent to a 5er. If u dont understand what im talking about just dont talk think we would all be better for it :P

Anyway my whole example was there to show that Europeans get a unfair deal compared to eve. Also if another american comes on an says u should be used to things cost more. No i dont expect a thing that costs exactly the same to CPP whether they are in US UK or europe to cost differently just cause CPP feels like giving US players alot better deal. Simply Put American players should pay what we pay and thats final. If we have to pay 131 euros u should have to its not our fault or CPP's fault that ur country has a **** exchange rate if u dont like it get used to it (ur exchange rate has nearly always been 2 dollars to one pound).

But as i said CPP seem to favour US players which is stupid and unfair and doesnt make sense. They say they are standardising prices, wrong!! they are just making it more expensive for European player while still giving america an awesome deal. COME ON CPP STOP subsidising American players and start GIVING EVERYONE THE SAME DEAL FFS.

Btw i give it a million to one that a actual dev will come on here and discuss the reasoning behind it. Simple answer is CPP dont give a **** about European players and is more interested in getting new american players then europeans.

Val Vympel
Caldari
24th Imperial Crusade
Posted - 2008.05.25 21:18:00 - [677]
 

Originally by: IonKnight
FYI ur an idiot!!!.


Please..correct me if I'm wrong...but I do not recall personally attacking you in my comment.

But...now I will.

I am profoundly disappointed that a citizen of a nation noted for their collective manners and etiquette would stoop to calling me...a mere yankee...an idiot.

*tips hat




IonKnight
Posted - 2008.05.25 21:20:00 - [678]
 

Edited by: IonKnight on 25/05/2008 21:21:57
Hehe wasnt meant to be harsh but u have to call urself a bit of a dooch on correcting my example u were aware of why i put it in there yet u comment on the example like it is fact. So i think i have a reason to call u an idiot on quoting something that is used to give ppl a general understand of economics. Then u flaming it cause its not exactly right.

Tek'a Rain
Gallente
Collegium Mechanicae
Posted - 2008.05.25 21:23:00 - [679]
 

Edited by: Tek''a Rain on 25/05/2008 21:24:58
Originally by: Mystri
They are effectively forcing people in the United States to use credit cards/other payment means. That's one hell of a gamble to play with your customers, never mind the GTC resellers.


I know its different in the UK/around the world, but I know here in the States it is nearly Impossible to Avoid having a "credit card". In quotes of course because the easiest card to obtain is a Visa or Mastercard "branded" ATM card. Simply, it is an ATM card that is also a credit card, though there is no line of credit in most cases as it comes right out of the connected account.

This means that, with a few shreds of exceptions, Anyone with a checking or savings account, anyone who has money in a bank, can pay out of it, rarely a hassle. The only groups I can see having trouble would be people with no money at All (for whom Eve should not be a concern) and cash-only fugitives from justice who live in shacks in the woods.. also not a huge focus group for Eve.

This whole change seems like a (somewhat poorly handled) cinching up of a loophole combined with an attempt to streamline different products.

And a reminder to those folks who A) refuse to take the time/effort to understand this or B) are canceling their 40 million accounts.. Your stuff belongs in the hands of a caring person like me.. I am only a Contract away!


EDIT: And remember! Regular Subs are NOT GOING UP FOR AMERICANS/IN DOLLARS. This change is for Timecodes Only!

Sabrina Treadehugger
Posted - 2008.05.25 21:33:00 - [680]
 

Originally by: Tek'a Rain
Edited by: Tek''a Rain on 25/05/2008 21:24:58
Originally by: Mystri
They are effectively forcing people in the United States to use credit cards/other payment means. That's one hell of a gamble to play with your customers, never mind the GTC resellers.


I know its different in the UK/around the world, but I know here in the States it is nearly Impossible to Avoid having a "credit card". In quotes of course because the easiest card to obtain is a Visa or Mastercard "branded" ATM card. Simply, it is an ATM card that is also a credit card, though there is no line of credit in most cases as it comes right out of the connected account.

This means that, with a few shreds of exceptions, Anyone with a checking or savings account, anyone who has money in a bank, can pay out of it, rarely a hassle. The only groups I can see having trouble would be people with no money at All (for whom Eve should not be a concern) and cash-only fugitives from justice who live in shacks in the woods.. also not a huge focus group for Eve.

This whole change seems like a (somewhat poorly handled) cinching up of a loophole combined with an attempt to streamline different products.

And a reminder to those folks who A) refuse to take the time/effort to understand this or B) are canceling their 40 million accounts.. Your stuff belongs in the hands of a caring person like me.. I am only a Contract away!


EDIT: And remember! Regular Subs are NOT GOING UP FOR AMERICANS/IN DOLLARS. This change is for Timecodes Only!


A) refuse to take the time/effort to understand this

hey you're also in this cattegory can i have your stuff ?


Tek'a Rain
Gallente
Collegium Mechanicae
Posted - 2008.05.25 21:39:00 - [681]
 

Edited by: Tek''a Rain on 25/05/2008 21:40:19
Originally by: Sabrina Treadehugger


hey you're also in this cattegory can i have your stuff ?




Your.. a little slow, is that it? Train Reading to level one, then come back and try again, wont you?

Or stop ****-posting and try to be coherent.

Change does not terribly effect people in US, as its dead easy to find a way to pay for Eve, no GTC needed.

Change does not Effect people in Europe/etc paying via Sub or buying Eur/e timecodes.

Change Does effect people who were cheating CCP and buying from the wrong location, and also effects people who buy their way ahead with GTC-Isk transfers. Nothing wrong with stopping cheaters and people who buy isk, is there?

Of course, I dont agree with the removal of most card types. Fixing the system is great, but taking away flexibility is never cool.

edit: UK changed to Europe/etc

Daelin Blackleaf
White Rose Society
Posted - 2008.05.25 21:46:00 - [682]
 

Edited by: Daelin Blackleaf on 26/05/2008 02:13:45
Originally by: Tiirae
Everything is Europe is more expensive than in America. The price of cigarettes & petrol is ridiculous. PS3 and Xbobx cost far more than they do in the U.S.

I would have thought you'd be used to it by now Rolling EyesRolling Eyes


The reason for that expense is VAT, VAT is not 58%.

Originally by: Tiirae
Also, people actually buy GTCs and use them themselves? I had no idea, I thought people bought GTCs and sold them ingame for ISK.


You did read a couple of pages of the thread at least? People buy ETC's to avoid paying substantially more simply for living in the wrong country.

IonKnight
Posted - 2008.05.25 21:47:00 - [683]
 

Edited by: IonKnight on 25/05/2008 21:49:30
Edited by: IonKnight on 25/05/2008 21:48:21
Tek'a Rain

The whole reason in the first place we had to use GTc's from other countries was because the european sub is massively higher than the american sub. Why is that fair ?

If u look at my earlier post its cheaper for American players no matter what (even if europeans buy from SC). So actually do some maths before u make wild comments

Daelin Blackleaf thanks for actually reading the post unlike some ppl :D.

Winry Rockbell
Posted - 2008.05.25 22:50:00 - [684]
 

Surley the solution is simple CCP do what they should have done when they first looked at it and move to the USA, this is their best and only choice in the long run really.

Iceland may be nice and all but if you where owned by a cold hatred business man you would have moved to the USA long ago, sold all subscriptions in USD and been a lot richer relatively to the rest of the population of your new home land.

Instead you want to be cold and live in place called ICELAND, (I am sure there are plenty of nice things about Iceland, but like most things nice about some place the rest of us don't like, I bet you have to have grown up there to know what it is.) as for all this industry stand rubbish, pull the other one, its industry standard to be in the USA and charge in USD's.

NOT Icland and charge allsorts, if you want to get with the standard move to America, At the end of the day its your choice just like its my choice where to spend my cash, while it may be my choice now to spend it with you, it does not mean it will be my choice to continue to do so in the future.

IonKnight
Posted - 2008.05.25 22:54:00 - [685]
 

"Surley the solution is simple CCP do what they should have done when they first looked at it and move to the USA, this is their best and only choice in the long run really.

Iceland may be nice and all but if you where owned by a cold hatred business man you would have moved to the USA long ago, sold all subscriptions in USD and been a lot richer relatively to the rest of the population of your new home land.

Instead you want to be cold and live in place called ICELAND, (I am sure there are plenty of nice things about Iceland, but like most things nice about some place the rest of us don't like, I bet you have to have grown up there to know what it is.) as for all this industry stand rubbish, pull the other one, its industry standard to be in the USA and charge in USD's.

NOT Icland and charge allsorts, if you want to get with the standard move to America, At the end of the day its your choice just like its my choice where to spend my cash, while it may be my choice now to spend it with you, it does not mean it will be my choice to continue to do so in the future."

Got it smack bang on the nail there. U dont see any other MMO selling there subsciption charges in different prices.

Tatoed Goat
Gallente
AAA.FSI Holding
Posted - 2008.05.26 01:13:00 - [686]
 

Originally by: IonKnight
"Surley the solution is simple CCP do what they should have done when they first looked at it and move to the USA, this is their best and only choice in the long run really.

Iceland may be nice and all but if you where owned by a cold hatred business man you would have moved to the USA long ago, sold all subscriptions in USD and been a lot richer relatively to the rest of the population of your new home land.

Instead you want to be cold and live in place called ICELAND, (I am sure there are plenty of nice things about Iceland, but like most things nice about some place the rest of us don't like, I bet you have to have grown up there to know what it is.) as for all this industry stand rubbish, pull the other one, its industry standard to be in the USA and charge in USD's.

NOT Icland and charge allsorts, if you want to get with the standard move to America, At the end of the day its your choice just like its my choice where to spend my cash, while it may be my choice now to spend it with you, it does not mean it will be my choice to continue to do so in the future."

Got it smack bang on the nail there. U dont see any other MMO selling there subsciption charges in different prices.


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What is unfair is that the US citizens are charged a lot less than European ones. CCP should simply charge everyone in Euro's. The fact that the spelling in the game is US English is frustrating and stupid enough, there's no need to have double standards. The excuse that the US Dollar is dropping and therefore prices need to be increased are ridiculous. If that's the case then switch over to the Euro and have that as measure. Sure, you'll anger the small minded US off but at least it will be fair and CCP will continue to make money without the need for a price increase.

I have already written a letter of complaint to the European office of trade and would like to ask all others unhappy with this to do the same. Iceland isn't in the EU but still has to abide by trade laws of the EU.

Tatoed Goat
Gallente
AAA.FSI Holding
Posted - 2008.05.26 01:22:00 - [687]
 

Quote:

For people who earn and pay for their GTC's in USD, GTC's are effectively redundant. They are only of use to Europeans who pay EUR-->USD for them. Even then they are only worthwhile if you currently pay monthly by EUR, as credit card charges for a USD purchase may shave even more off any savings. Notice that CCP are effectively trying to stop income lost through the 90-day GTC.

This is an unusual business decision. CCP have effectively stopped selling GTC's to people in the United States. The only market now for GTC's are countries using the Euro currency or have a strong currency value against the dollar. They are effectively forcing people in the United States to use credit cards/other payment means. That's one hell of a gamble to play with your customers, never mind the GTC resellers.



And they are forcing Europeans to pay more so where is the fairness? You already said that Europeans pay 57% more and yet you still defend 40% of the playerbase. CCP should simply use the Euro and not the Dollar, simple as that.

Val Vympel
Caldari
24th Imperial Crusade
Posted - 2008.05.26 01:27:00 - [688]
 

Originally by: Tatoed Goat
Originally by: IonKnight
"Surley the solution is simple CCP do what they should have done when they first looked at it and move to the USA, this is their best and only choice in the long run really.

Iceland may be nice and all but if you where owned by a cold hatred business man you would have moved to the USA long ago, sold all subscriptions in USD and been a lot richer relatively to the rest of the population of your new home land.

Instead you want to be cold and live in place called ICELAND, (I am sure there are plenty of nice things about Iceland, but like most things nice about some place the rest of us don't like, I bet you have to have grown up there to know what it is.) as for all this industry stand rubbish, pull the other one, its industry standard to be in the USA and charge in USD's.

NOT Icland and charge allsorts, if you want to get with the standard move to America, At the end of the day its your choice just like its my choice where to spend my cash, while it may be my choice now to spend it with you, it does not mean it will be my choice to continue to do so in the future."

Got it smack bang on the nail there. U dont see any other MMO selling there subsciption charges in different prices.


Another ignorant US citizen who can't accept the fact that his own country has ruined its economy and devalued its currency so much that people would rather get paid in Roubles than in the US Dollar. Now sad little child get off the internet and jump off a building because the US doesn't rule the world anymore unless its with debt.

What is unfair is that the US citizens are charged a lot less than European ones. CCP should simply charge everyone in Euro's. The fact that the spelling in the game is US English is frustrating and stupid enough, there's no need to have double standards. The excuse that the US Dollar is dropping and therefore prices need to be increased are ridiculous. If that's the case then switch over to the Euro and have that as measure. Sure, you'll anger the small minded US off but at least it will be fair and CCP will continue to make money without the need for a price increase.

I have already written a letter of complaint to the European office of trade and would like to ask all others unhappy with this to do the same. Iceland isn't in the EU but still has to abide by trade laws of the EU.


It was for people like you that the term "Eurotrash" was coined. Wink

Quelque Chose
New Eden Roller Disco Supply
Posted - 2008.05.26 02:00:00 - [689]
 

Originally by: Tatoed Goat
I have already written a letter of complaint to the European office of trade and would like to ask all others unhappy with this to do the same.



LaughingLaughingLaughing


That's a good one. Think I'll write my senator about your posting.

Luca Muso
Posted - 2008.05.26 02:04:00 - [690]
 

I have a solution. Everyone who is whining that they will have to pay a slight increase in GTC do the following:

1. Give me your stuff
2. Uninstall EVE
3. Go play WoW


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