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Squasar
Void Angels
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2008.05.25 00:02:00 - [631]
 

Originally by: Kaian Voskhod

Instead, we have unwanted add-on like:
- ambulation
- factionnal warfare
- some crazy decisions (wtf, changing the skin of EW frigs ?)


I'm actually a fan of the FW and the ambulation. Would you rather CCP charge us another 19.99 or up for an updated CD-Key in order for us to play with these expansions? Or would you rather the game stay the same for years upon years and slowly die off?

xena zena
The Money Shot Inc.
Posted - 2008.05.25 00:08:00 - [632]
 

They chose their model eons ago, with free expansions. To dangle that now as a "zomg look how nice we are we don't make you pay for them like WoW!" in the same breath useing "We're following wow's example on GTC's" is kinda two faced.

The *BEST* solution is to make the billing system charge the same no matter where you live. Reduce the EURO price raise the DOLLAR price, keep GTC's the same dominations and just raise values to match. That's the best solution.

Trying to hide their true intentions behind "industry standards" and to cite Blizzard and WoW as those standards is a slap in the face.

Kurogauna
Posted - 2008.05.25 00:16:00 - [633]
 

Originally by: Val Vympel
Edited by: Val Vympel on 24/05/2008 13:31:46
Edited by: Val Vympel on 24/05/2008 12:53:37
Originally by: Julius Kashmir
Obviously you missed the lesson of business success, "the customer is always right."

I.E. if you DONT have a customer you don't have a business and the way ccp continues to annoy and **** of it's player base with moves like this and it's mimic of WoW instanced base pvp, it's no wonder EVE hasn't grown to eve a fraction of the fame and height WoW has but EVE has originality and until recent moments has been up there w/ blizzard setting standards and now are regressing and following blizzards footsteps.

It's only a matter of time until players start quitting CCP.


Obviously..Rolling EyesIt must be true,I am a complete and total ignoramus.

What I am is a 39 year old,semi-retired(at my age that means wealthyWink)rancher and dairy farmer.

I have run the business my great-grandfather started over 100 years ago..for the past 21 years.

Let me educate you and others.

Success sir,begins and ends with your EMPLOYEES.
My family company(and at 300 or so employees CCP is about half again as large as my company)would NOT have been a success for over 100 years if not for the tireless and dedicated hard work of thousands of people over the years.

My job is to insure the economic viability of my company,to insure that my employees have a job to arrive at in the morning so in turn insuring that YOU the customer have a product to buy.

Your money is worth less than the paper it is printed on if you do not have a product to buy with it.Your money is also worthless to me.EMPLOYEES insure that you and others the CUSTOMER(S) have a product to buy that gives your money worth.Now..because of EMPLOYEES your money has worth to me as well.

Take your money to my competitor you might say...Ok!..what makes you think a different and more favorable(for YOU and others) set of market or economic circumstances govern his company?

If the product that CCP produces is so poor and not worth your money,why has this thread produced 20 pages of protest?

If the product is so inferior in your estimation why have you and others not quietly withdrawn and gone elsewhere?

ANSWER: Because you and others believe your money gives you the RIGHT to dictate the terms by which a company governs itself. And you and others obfuscate the fact that you and others really like this product but your collective hubris will not allow you to admit that or quit.

The CUSTOMER is always right??LaughingLaughing
True....in their own MIND.

Lesson concluded

Good dayWink



I love you Cool

Daelin Blackleaf
White Rose Society
Posted - 2008.05.25 00:44:00 - [634]
 

Yearly subscription prices:

USA $131.40/year
EUR $207.38/year
ETC $209.94/year

Europeans are charged 58% extra, those using ETC's will be charged 60% extra.

If you'll excuse me I have to go apply a cold compress to my ring.

Val Vympel
Caldari
24th Imperial Crusade
Posted - 2008.05.25 03:08:00 - [635]
 

Originally by: Red Desire
There are only 2 rules for any big IT company in the world :
- reduce costs
- increase profit

In a competitive world, where you are selling a similar product in quality and characteristics as others, you need to take care of your customers.



Hmmm?..let me see...Ah! there it is page 1 of every last Economics 101 textbook since the invention of the printing press. And you thought you were smart.Laughing

ALL companies regardless of what industry,operate under these rules,or they don't operate at all and go under.

As for your derisive comments concerning my inheritance. Yes!...I milk cows and...manufacture 100 tons of cheese,ship 1.1 million gallons of milk and bundle and ship 49 box cars of manure...annually(2007).I have done this as the CEO of my company for 21 years.

21 years is allot of time for the success of a company to get by on the laurels of previous generations,especially in the hands of an ignoramus.

Next you will tell me cattle feed is free.(not to mention all the high-tech equipment that goes into modern dairy farming...or I assume you think we still milk by handLaughing)

Care to divulge your field of expertise?
Perhaps if you do,it will lend some credibility to your position.

Until then...you have presented nothing(aside from your contempt for me and the dairy industry)that any freshman in college could not point to in a textbook.

Wink

Did I mention above that I also employ 144 of the finest citizens the U.S. has to offer,sponsor a local little league baseball team and donate cartoned milk to my local school system and give FREEShocked of charge,tons of manure to local farmers. All that and I still turn a profit.Shocked

What do you do for your community?


Mahke
Aeon Of Strife
Discord.
Posted - 2008.05.25 03:12:00 - [636]
 

Originally by: Squasar
Originally by: Kaian Voskhod

Instead, we have unwanted add-on like:
- ambulation
- factionnal warfare
- some crazy decisions (wtf, changing the skin of EW frigs ?)


I'm actually a fan of the FW and the ambulation. Would you rather CCP charge us another 19.99 or up for an updated CD-Key in order for us to play with these expansions? Or would you rather the game stay the same for years upon years and slowly die off?


Its clear why non-mandatory expansions cant be applied to EVE. However, keep in mind
a) how profitable monthly-pay mmo's are
b) that aside from ambulation, none of that stuff requires THAT high amount of resources, and frankly, ambulation would be a terrible waste of developer time and money and server power (want to socialize with a 3d avatar? go back to gaia).

and nothing kills a game faster than price hikes in such a competitive market. Although lets all be honest here -- a LOT of alt accounts will be cancelled, but not many players at all cancelling absolutley.

xena zena
The Money Shot Inc.
Posted - 2008.05.25 03:30:00 - [637]
 

Originally by: Mahke
[snip] a LOT of alt accounts will be cancelled, but not many players at all cancelling absolutley.


I've been playing with 3-5 accounts for years now, to suddenly be put in the quandary of not being able to afford them, thus not have them all active, then trying to get by without them, makes me FAR more likely to just throw it all in and play something else.

Everyone after a year or two or more of playing eve has tinkered with the idea of quitting, taken breaks, sometimes long ones. Suddenly making it more expensive to play the way you've been used too , when all your alts and mains are trained to work together.. (for me mining, rorqual pilots, hauler alt, hulks, without all the alts it's far less efficient!)

If I couldn't afford to play with all my alts, I'd seriously consider just packing it in. Time to finally quit. I'm sure there are tons of people like me that can't really conceive of playing anymore if they can't use all their alts. Neutral

rValdez5987
Amarr
Imperial Guard.
Posted - 2008.05.25 05:58:00 - [638]
 

Edited by: rValdez5987 on 25/05/2008 06:01:55
Quote:

Because we don't think we'd get more subscribers at a lower price at this time, and we don't base our pricing model on Blizzards' model. That's why we don't charge you for our bi-yearly expansions (which amounts to about $10 million a year in revenue we don't earn, that you keep as a benefit of our policies.)


This ^

Thats why I play EVE and not WoW... well that and WoW sucks.



As far as playing EVE and the whole alts thing... TBH I barely have enough time to play on one account much less all of my alts. For me, Ive found that just simply taking a week or two aside to train up an industry alt or miner to just basic levels saves you the hassle of running another account.

Then again, the reason I play eve is for pvp, and I dont mind grinding missions about 4-6 days a month to fund said pvp...

Ataraxa
Gallente
The Illuminatii
Dirt Nap Squad.
Posted - 2008.05.25 06:25:00 - [639]
 

So does anybody know yet what will happen on the 15th of June?

Will they deny 30/90d codes henceforth that we bought already (maybe in anticipation of this move) ?

AlphaViscera
Posted - 2008.05.25 06:39:00 - [640]
 

This is the worst idea ever.


Icelandic business schools must suck

Tomblinu
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2008.05.25 06:43:00 - [641]
 

Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf
Yearly subscription prices:

USA $131.40/year
EUR $207.38/year
ETC $209.94/year

Europeans are charged 58% extra, those using ETC's will be charged 60% extra.

Seeing the numbers like this makes it look more like the prices for the USA are the exception, that the price in the USA is a rich 37% discount. Maybe everyone else should stop subsidizing the USA, and prices should be more like:

USA $185/year
EUR $185/year
ETC $185/year

Andreya
Red Federation
Posted - 2008.05.25 06:59:00 - [642]
 

Originally by: CCP RyanD
Originally by: skuko
Originally by: CCP RyanD
stuff


all right then...if you consider blizzard "de facto standard", why not lower the EU price to 12.99,- ?

please answer this simple question...


Because we don't think we'd get more subscribers at a lower price at this time, and we don't base our pricing model on Blizzards' model. That's why we don't charge you for our bi-yearly expansions (which amounts to about $10 million a year in revenue we don't earn, that you keep as a benefit of our policies.)



an option for a 1 year GTC would be great. obviously with the oppertunity for the player to save some $ in the process... i for one will play eve for years to come... i am willin gto pay it... and think of the FERE money you guys would get for people who play for 6 months and quit (for whatever reasons) ... you still got 6 months of their $

The macdaddy
Amarr
Hedion University
Posted - 2008.05.25 07:13:00 - [643]
 

Originally by: Val Vympel
Originally by: Red Desire
There are only 2 rules for any big IT company in the world :
- reduce costs
- increase profit

In a competitive world, where you are selling a similar product in quality and characteristics as others, you need to take care of your customers.



Hmmm?..let me see...Ah! there it is page 1 of every last Economics 101 textbook since the invention of the printing press. And you thought you were smart.Laughing

ALL companies regardless of what industry,operate under these rules,or they don't operate at all and go under.

As for your derisive comments concerning my inheritance. Yes!...I milk cows and...manufacture 100 tons of cheese,ship 1.1 million gallons of milk and bundle and ship 49 box cars of manure...annually(2007).I have done this as the CEO of my company for 21 years.

21 years is allot of time for the success of a company to get by on the laurels of previous generations,especially in the hands of an ignoramus.

Next you will tell me cattle feed is free.(not to mention all the high-tech equipment that goes into modern dairy farming...or I assume you think we still milk by handLaughing)

Care to divulge your field of expertise?
Perhaps if you do,it will lend some credibility to your position.

Until then...you have presented nothing(aside from your contempt for me and the dairy industry)that any freshman in college could not point to in a textbook.

Wink

Did I mention above that I also employ 144 of the finest citizens the U.S. has to offer,sponsor a local little league baseball team and donate cartoned milk to my local school system and give FREEShocked of charge,tons of manure to local farmers. All that and I still turn a profit.Shocked

What do you do for your community?




Dude.... you run a farm it doesnt make you donald trumpNeutral

Teliot Rebburcs
Posted - 2008.05.25 07:50:00 - [644]
 

Edited by: Teliot Rebburcs on 25/05/2008 07:51:56
Originally by: CCP RyanD

Because we don't think we'd get more subscribers at a lower price at this time, and we don't base our pricing model on Blizzards' model. That's why we don't charge you for our bi-yearly expansions (which amounts to about $10 million a year in revenue we don't earn, that you keep as a benefit of our policies.)




What a crock of SH*T. This is one of the most disgusting comments I've heard from CCP. You know what would happen if you charged for an expansion.. you would lose every player who didn't want to spend the extra cash to line your pockets with.

How many players do you actually think would stick around if they kept getting pwned in null and low sec by a tier4 BS, kept getting undercut selling mins because of a "super barge" mining twice the amount of their Hulk, or not being able to access parts of the universe and special agents, simply because they didn't want to spend more money?

You then could start comparing yourself to Blizzard and the "Industry standard" and enlist the millions of WoW players to purchase your buggy ass expansions.

As an afterthought you would then lose those players due to the ridiculous lag while they were "raiding".

/me runs off to vomit

Wren Alterana
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2008.05.25 07:58:00 - [645]
 

Originally by: Teliot Rebburcs
Edited by: Teliot Rebburcs on 25/05/2008 07:51:56
Originally by: CCP RyanD

Because we don't think we'd get more subscribers at a lower price at this time, and we don't base our pricing model on Blizzards' model. That's why we don't charge you for our bi-yearly expansions (which amounts to about $10 million a year in revenue we don't earn, that you keep as a benefit of our policies.)




What a crock of SH*T. This is one of the most disgusting comments I've heard from CCP. You know what would happen if you charged for an expansion.. you would lose every player who didn't want to spend the extra cash to line your pockets with.

How many players do you actually think would stick around if they kept getting pwned in null and low sec by a tier4 BS, kept getting undercut selling mins because of a "super barge" mining twice the amount of their Hulk, or not being able to access parts of the universe and special agents, simply because they didn't want to spend more money?

You then could start comparing yourself to Blizzard and the "Industry standard" and enlist the millions of WoW players to purchase your buggy ass expansions.

As an afterthought you would then lose those players due to the ridiculous lag while they were "raiding".

/me runs off to vomit


uh dude, he was pretty much saying that they DON'T do that. Chill out.

Ballistic CEO
Looking For Fun Corp
Posted - 2008.05.25 08:31:00 - [646]
 

so i assume someone at CCP did a:

If this many players and alts quit, but we raise prices this much, heres how much we will have.
I submit that whoever did those sums was dead wrong.

However I feel, in summary, that there are several major pertinent points in this thread:

(1) stop Europe subsidising the US.
(2) Be more honest when you raise your price. 90% of the people posting here have stated they would happily pay more.
(3) Keep 30 and 90 day options at the new higher price HOWEVER find a way to stop character skills training on un-subscribed accounts.


Roku Kotaki
Kotaki Enterprises
Posted - 2008.05.25 09:10:00 - [647]
 

Originally by: The macdaddy
Originally by: Val Vympel
Originally by: Red Desire
<textbook knowledge>
<The dairy farmer who made sense!>


Dude.... you run a farm it doesnt make you donald trumpNeutral


And Donald Trump doesn't run the business world, as you may think. Rolling Eyes

In fact, the small business owner, like Val, knows more about business than Mr. Trump and runs the business world far better. The reason why? Small businesses make up the largest portion of all businesses, worldwide, and know far more of what their employees and customers need and desire, because they stay connected with their employees. And your best customers are usually the ones who work for you.

Your snide remark and the implication that he's just a farmer and knows nothing about business, is ignorant, at best. Any kind of farming is hard work and IMHO, the most competitive industry in the world. I would trust the farming CEO's opinion, before I would trust the word of anybody like Donald Trump. Everybody on this planet needs the goods and services these hard-working people provide.

To be on topic, if CCP (which happens to be a small to mid-size business) decides to follow industry guidelines for GTCs, it's because the profit margins will go up and the red tape will go down, no matter what doomsayers may think, because they have done the market research and found it to be favorable. No company, as succesful as CCP, makes changes that would be detrimental, on a whim.

They may lose a few subscribers, but in the end they will gain way more than you know. If Eve was destined to fail, then why, pray tell, does the subscriber base keep rising after 5 years? They must be doing something right!

Red Desire
Republic Military School
Posted - 2008.05.25 10:04:00 - [648]
 

Originally by: Val Vympel




Next you will tell me cattle feed is free.(not to mention all the high-tech equipment that goes into modern dairy farming...or I assume you think we still milk by handLaughing)






Yes, I also think moon is made of cheese and if I find a way to transport it, I would put you out of business.

The be franc with you dear sir, you are a loud month bragging dummy.
But to give you a lesson in internet spaceship game forum, nobody gives a crap about what you do in real life, especially if it doesn't have any connection to us.
So...we don't care what you do, not care of gallons of milk, not care of tons of cheese... actually we wouldn't care if you were Dalai Lama, if you don't have something to say related EVE.

But because I bashed you for your field of "expertise", I will respond. I have played MMOS for 7 years and I work for a game company in the TOP 5 for 5 years now.

Now our discussion is over, have a nice dairy life!

Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
Posted - 2008.05.25 10:07:00 - [649]
 

Edited by: Pohbis on 25/05/2008 13:57:13


Originally by: CCP RyanD
Because we don't think we'd get more subscribers at a lower price at this time, and we don't base our pricing model on Blizzards' model. That's why we don't charge you for our bi-yearly expansions (which amounts to about $10 million a year in revenue we don't earn, that you keep as a benefit of our policies.)


Ahem... please. You don't charge for your expansions because:

A) You release smaller expansions, that wouldn't fetch the $29.99 standard retail price, at a faster rate which allows you to advertise new features more frequently to keep EVE mindshare amongst MMO players high.

B) You can advertise with "Free Expansions". "Never pay for an expansion" and other such USPs.

C) Your digital download business plan ( 14-day trial, full client, etc. ) for EVE doesn't leave you with a lot of push/pull with brick and mortar retailers.

D) You don't have to spend x dollars on marketing for each expansion to compete with other MMO expansions ( coupled with A this is quite an amount of money ).

E) Having to account for players who don't own xyz expansion when coding your highly complicated game, saves you quite a lot of headache and manpower in the end.

Don't try and fling it like you are handing us a free present with each expansion. CCPs business plan is the reason for those free expansions, they can hardly be called free when you use them to justify higher costs than your competitors, for similar services.


Locii
Posted - 2008.05.25 10:32:00 - [650]
 

After looking at teh extra costs invloved for living in europe and playing eve. me and teh gf ahve decided to take a holiday to the us.
we will renew our cc details while there for our 6 accounts and all the savings (6 x $75)will will pay for the flights, gotta love low priced airlines..lol

thanks ccp for making me think of better ways to spend my cash than giving it to you for just living in the uk rather than the us

000Hunter000
Gallente
Missiles 'R' Us
Posted - 2008.05.25 12:37:00 - [651]
 

HAHAHAHAAA!!! I laugh at all u silly people!

What u expect? CCP is NOT a foundation or a welfare system, there a BUSINESS!!! And people in business are out to make MONEY!!! U know? cash, mullah?

I laugh at the ignorance some of u are showing, thinking that ccp has raised prices for any other purpose then to make more money, if i were ccp boss and i would see business is good but could be even better, and my economics advisor would say we could safely ask for an x amount more a month, i would do so in a heartbeat!

It's simple, if u don't agree u can protest in the most simplest form, just... QUIT!!!

HAHAHAHAHA!!! U SILLY PEOPLE!! Laughing

Daelin Blackleaf
White Rose Society
Posted - 2008.05.25 13:07:00 - [652]
 

Originally by: Tomblinu
Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf
Yearly subscription prices:

USA $131.40/year
EUR $207.38/year
ETC $209.94/year

Europeans are charged 58% extra, those using ETC's will be charged 60% extra.

Seeing the numbers like this makes it look more like the prices for the USA are the exception, that the price in the USA is a rich 37% discount. Maybe everyone else should stop subsidizing the USA, and prices should be more like:

USA $185/year
EUR $185/year
ETC $185/year



That would mean losing a large portion of their non-European market and would place EVE firmly amongst the most expensive MMO's on the market.

I would say the US is not the exception, I believe anyone outside of Europe has the opportunity to take advantage of the American pricing and many of the rest of us have been paying the American rate via ETC for years. Despite this CCP has certainly not gone under and has in-fact managed to purchase White Wolf, multiple new offices, and massively increase it's staff.

Of course if they lose a large number of accounts (with people getting rid of multiple alts and others quitting all together) we might see a reversal of CCP's fortunes. Especially with them heavily invested in both EVE China and the development of the new World of Darkness MMO.

Sindayn Itai
Posted - 2008.05.25 14:29:00 - [653]
 

Originally by: Ataraxa
So does anybody know yet what will happen on the 15th of June?

Will they deny 30/90d codes henceforth that we bought already (maybe in anticipation of this move) ?


By law they will have to honour all GTC for 30/90 day regardless of age. What they will do is just stop producing them.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2008.05.25 14:34:00 - [654]
 

repost from another forum section...


Quote:
All cards will be replaced (30, 50, 90 and 100 days) by 60 day time cards sometime in the near future.


"CCP will introduce new 60-day EVE Time Codes (ETC) and Game Time Cards (GTC) for $34.99 USD. These will replace the 30- and 90-day cards that were previously available through authorized resellers and the 50- and 100-day cards sold in the EVE Store. This will affect both online ETC's and Game Time Cards sold in the EVE Online Store.

Orders may still be placed for time cards of all increments while supplies last or until the changeover to the new 60-day cards goes into effect on June 15, 2008.

This change will not affect other payment options such as credit cards etc."


Credit/Debit card payment options available :

Outside Europe Cost per month / Total cost
1-month-plan $ 14.95 / $ 14.95
3-month-plan $ 12.95 / $ 38.85
6-month-plan $ 11.95 / $ 71.70
12-month-plan $ 10.95 / $ 131.40

Europe Cost per month / Total cost (VAT included)
1-month-plan € 14.95 / € 14.95
3-month-plan € 12.95 / € 38.85
6-month-plan € 11.95 / € 71.70
12-month-plan € 10.95 / € 131.40

or... in USD at current USD-EUR exchange rates :

Europe Cost/month / Total cost (VAT included)
1-month-plan $ 23.56 / $ 23.56
3-month-plan $ 20.41 / $ 61.24
6-month-plan $ 18.84 / $ 113.02
12-month-plan $ 17.26 / $ 207.12

The 60-day GTC costs $34.99, or $17.49 per month, almost on par in value per month with the one-year subscription plan for EU players.

The reason for is that EVEN IF the US companies selling GTCs over the Internet should be charging VAT from EU customers, none of them seem to... and thus THEY are commiting (borderline) fiscal evasion.
However, it's unlikely the EU will ever do anything about it.
The only thing to worry about is your responsability as an EU citizen to pay VAT for that electronic code... even if the local "IRS equivalent" will most probably never send you any notices, you are probably still technically breaking the law.

Locii
Posted - 2008.05.25 14:40:00 - [655]
 

Originally by: Akita T
repost from another forum section...


Quote:
All cards will be replaced (30, 50, 90 and 100 days) by 60 day time cards sometime in the near future.


"CCP will introduce new 60-day EVE Time Codes (ETC) and Game Time Cards (GTC) for $34.99 USD. These will replace the 30- and 90-day cards that were previously available through authorized resellers and the 50- and 100-day cards sold in the EVE Store. This will affect both online ETC's and Game Time Cards sold in the EVE Online Store.

Orders may still be placed for time cards of all increments while supplies last or until the changeover to the new 60-day cards goes into effect on June 15, 2008.

This change will not affect other payment options such as credit cards etc."


Credit/Debit card payment options available :

Outside Europe Cost per month / Total cost
1-month-plan $ 14.95 / $ 14.95
3-month-plan $ 12.95 / $ 38.85
6-month-plan $ 11.95 / $ 71.70
12-month-plan $ 10.95 / $ 131.40

Europe Cost per month / Total cost (VAT included)
1-month-plan 14.95 / 14.95
3-month-plan 12.95 / 38.85
6-month-plan 11.95 / 71.70
12-month-plan 10.95 / 131.40

or... in USD at current USD-EUR exchange rates :

Europe Cost/month / Total cost (VAT included)
1-month-plan $ 23.56 / $ 23.56
3-month-plan $ 20.41 / $ 61.24
6-month-plan $ 18.84 / $ 113.02
12-month-plan $ 17.26 / $ 207.12

The 60-day GTC costs $34.99, or $17.49 per month, almost on par in value per month with the one-year subscription plan for EU players.

The reason for is that EVEN IF the US companies selling GTCs over the Internet should be charging VAT from EU customers, none of them seem to... and thus THEY are commiting (borderline) fiscal evasion.
However, it's unlikely the EU will ever do anything about it.
The only thing to worry about is your responsability as an EU citizen to pay VAT for that electronic code... even if the local "IRS equivalent" will most probably never send you any notices, you are probably still technically breaking the law.


the price of $131.40 plus uk vat(17.5%) is $154.40 not the $207 we are made to pay for living in europe. so either give us teh right price or jack up the us subs to be on par with that of teh rest of teh world

mantium
Posted - 2008.05.25 15:07:00 - [656]
 

Im probs just canceling one of my accounts, Its nothing to discuss, just do what you wish. If you dont want to pay higher subscription, dont. If you want to, do. No more magic to it

u die
Minmatar
Sugarcane Technologies
Posted - 2008.05.25 15:40:00 - [657]
 

1 month subscription in the US 14.95$
1 month subscription in the EU 23.56$

Paying more for the same service is priceless.

There are things money cant buy. For the rest... go CCP!

Sindayn Itai
Posted - 2008.05.25 15:41:00 - [658]
 

Edited by: Sindayn Itai on 25/05/2008 15:43:02

They are making profits in the millions. Absorb the cost I say.

All they will do is loose out more money in the long run, recession is on us and keeping the price low will keep the subscriptions coming.

Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups
Posted - 2008.05.25 15:47:00 - [659]
 

Originally by: Pohbis
Edited by: Pohbis on 25/05/2008 13:57:13


Originally by: CCP RyanD
Because we don't think we'd get more subscribers at a lower price at this time, and we don't base our pricing model on Blizzards' model. That's why we don't charge you for our bi-yearly expansions (which amounts to about $10 million a year in revenue we don't earn, that you keep as a benefit of our policies.)


Ahem... please. You don't charge for your expansions because:

A) You release smaller expansions, that wouldn't fetch the $29.99 standard retail price, at a faster rate which allows you to advertise new features more frequently to keep EVE mindshare amongst MMO players high.

B) You can advertise with "Free Expansions". "Never pay for an expansion" and other such USPs.

C) Your digital download business plan ( 14-day trial, full client, etc. ) for EVE doesn't leave you with a lot of push/pull with brick and mortar retailers.

D) You don't have to spend x dollars on marketing for each expansion to compete with other MMO expansions ( coupled with A this is quite an amount of money ).

E) Having to account for players who don't own xyz expansion when coding your highly complicated game, saves you quite a lot of headache and manpower in the end.

Don't try and fling it like you are handing us a free present with each expansion. CCPs business plan is the reason for those free expansions, they can hardly be called free when you use them to justify higher costs than your competitors, for similar services.




LOL!

Yeah come on CCP ---- Charge for your expansions... I DARE YOU!

If not - stop acting like your doing us a favour with free expansions

SKUNK

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2008.05.25 16:29:00 - [660]
 

People in the richest country in the history of the world can no longer get a month's unlimited play for the price of a medium pizza with cheese. Now they have to pay the cost of a medium pizza with cheese and 2 toppings.


If this doesn't prove to you all that CCP hate every human being on the planet, I don't know what will.


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