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Mac Maniac
Caldari
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2008.05.22 15:27:00 - [31]
 

Edited by: Mac Maniac on 22/05/2008 15:30:39
People .. You do the math.. this is about a 30-35% increase if not more.

OneSock
Crown Industries
Posted - 2008.05.22 15:31:00 - [32]
 

Even less reason for me to get another account to dip into FW. Sucky.

Digital Solaris
Posted - 2008.05.22 15:34:00 - [33]
 

I can see why CCP choose this route, but I think they should have kept 30 day-card because it is a nice cheap measure as in my case where the CC expired, and added the 60 day-card option.

okcerg
Posted - 2008.05.22 15:34:00 - [34]
 

Please CCP don't remove 30 days GTC... That was so convenient I could take a few days break between two months of gaming. I guess I can pay by Mastercard then cancel my account 30 days later to keep my playing pace? But that means I would have to pay in Sad And that's a 50% increase. 30 days of Eve costs me 9.5 via GTC (cheap $ ftw) instead of 14.95 via Mastercard.

Rise 30 days GTC price CCP but do not remove them please

Taua Roqa
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2008.05.22 15:36:00 - [35]
 

I don't think anyone here has any right to complain in fairness.

It was just TOO easy to get a sub for like half price if you lived in the UK by buying GTC in dollars, sure WE save money but CCP lose it, and they simply can't allow that, which sucks but hey ho they need to make money you know...


the value of playtime just rose about 50% in isk terms too which unfortunately could affect some people :(

Segge Bolled
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2008.05.22 15:36:00 - [36]
 

Ugh. I'm really not happy with this. I don't think my whining is going to really achieve much, though. At least I'm lucky, my second account is mostly for skilling a mining character and I have a spare slot on my main, now. So all in all when the last GTC runs dry I can flip them over and call it a day for the second account. Then I can keep enough ISK flowing in for the primary account.

Still, this sort of comes out of left field and I can't say I like it. Oh well. Confused

Kerfira
Kerfira Corp
Posted - 2008.05.22 15:37:00 - [37]
 

Edited by: Kerfira on 22/05/2008 15:44:34
Damn, that was fast!

I cancelled 4 accounts a couple of weeks ago and gave as the reason that I didn't see any point in paying the Euro rates when I could get it 1/3 or more cheaper if buying at GTC's at SC.
I then recommended they harmonise prices so the US players wouldn't be playing for the higher prices charged us Europeans.

However, I think the policy they should be following would be to only sell GTC's in Euro, and then let resellers like SC deal with the currency conversion.

I'm glad it worked though Cool

If US players want to blame anyone, blame your government for letting your currency freefall. This price increase is pretty logical from that point of view.

RedLion
Caldari
State Constructions
Posted - 2008.05.22 15:37:00 - [38]
 

Edited by: RedLion on 22/05/2008 15:40:26
so it will cost 35 dollar for 60 days, compared to now 15 dollar for 30 days? O.o

That's lame :<

So I guess monthly fee will increase too at june 15th, so I guess I should fill up with 12 months now when it's cheap? :P

kjetil1
Posted - 2008.05.22 15:42:00 - [39]
 

Ha ha ccp had to care even more about mony one day!

Nikeffo
Caldari
Digital Fury Corporation
Posted - 2008.05.22 15:52:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Naomi Chiyo
Edited by: Naomi Chiyo on 22/05/2008 15:22:22
Those new timecards don t just affect the games flexibility, thy are increasing the price by the fair amount of 35%.
Just consider a 90day -GTC being sold for over 50$ cause that would be the equivalent to those new codes.
I mean when you ve to adjust to something, and change the length of the codes,
WHY INCREASE THE PRICE BY 35% AS WELL ?




Because the $ is ****, thats why. Once the yanks sort out their Bush economy, prices might drop again.

Have some cheese, people.

Xennith
Imperial Logistics and Supply
Posted - 2008.05.22 15:54:00 - [41]
 

Edited by: Xennith on 22/05/2008 15:55:06
Originally by: RedLion
Edited by: RedLion on 22/05/2008 15:40:26
so it will cost 35 dollar for 60 days, compared to now 15 dollar for 30 days? O.o

That's lame :<


yes, an entire $5 rise per month in how many years?

i dunno about you guys but i spend that much on a pint.

its not even that, i messed up my maths. its $2.50 thats half a coke. per month.

Spiteful Soul
Method of Destruction
Privateer Alliance
Posted - 2008.05.22 15:55:00 - [42]
 

I think its fair that they raised the cost - I hate how US players could just get it cheaper than us euros.

Jack Gilligan
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.05.22 15:55:00 - [43]
 

Edited by: Jack Gilligan on 22/05/2008 15:55:36
Originally by: Nikeffo
Originally by: Naomi Chiyo
Edited by: Naomi Chiyo on 22/05/2008 15:22:22
Those new timecards don t just affect the games flexibility, thy are increasing the price by the fair amount of 35%.
Just consider a 90day -GTC being sold for over 50$ cause that would be the equivalent to those new codes.
I mean when you ve to adjust to something, and change the length of the codes,
WHY INCREASE THE PRICE BY 35% AS WELL ?




Because the $ is ****, thats why. Once the yanks sort out their Bush economy, prices might drop again.

Have some cheese, people.


How will CCP be able to get away with such an extreme rise in what they want to charge for EVE, when no other MMO publisher has?

I have a certain amount per month I am willing to pay for a MMO. Currently I run 4 accounts. That will be cut, indeed I just set very long skill trains on 2 of them and canceled. CCP will in the end make no more money because of this.

Plus, this will only bring back the ISK farmers/sellers. Now that the cieling of the worth of ISK has just been pulled due to GTC prices becoming irrational, they were just given new life.

Gumdrop
Posted - 2008.05.22 15:55:00 - [44]
 

Wow shame on you guys getting all mad at CCP. Its George Bush's fault the dollar is so weak not CCP's fault.

Zephyrante
Big Guns Inc.
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2008.05.22 15:59:00 - [45]
 

I will close extra acount will only leave main online and not sure if it will be online too long, there is ppl that cant pay to play the game, paying with isks benefits both CCP and players, this changes will close a lot of extra acounts Bad move CCP, worst even when Lag and desyncs keep going up and up, you ask for more money for a game that doesnt get better.

Kerfira
Kerfira Corp
Posted - 2008.05.22 16:01:00 - [46]
 

Edited by: Kerfira on 22/05/2008 16:02:05
Originally by: Jack Gilligan
I have a certain amount per month I am willing to pay for a MMO. Currently I run 4 accounts. That will be cut, indeed I just set very long skill trains on 2 of them and canceled. CCP will in the end make no more money because of this.

Oh, I think they will earn more.
One in every seven accounts affected by this would have to be cancelled for them to be worse off. Don't see that happening.

European players are as happy as fish in a pond about this. It shows that CCP wants this to be a game where everyone pay the same.
For Americans, blame your government....

Jack Gilligan
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.05.22 16:02:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Zephyrante
I will close extra acount will only leave main online and not sure if it will be online too long, there is ppl that cant pay to play the game, paying with isks benefits both CCP and players, this changes will close a lot of extra acounts Bad move CCP, worst even when Lag and desyncs keep going up and up, you ask for more money for a game that doesnt get better.


I suspect that this is the first shoe to drop, and that they are going to raise the monthly fee by credit card as well.

Seriously, someone needs to be doing some serious `splainin right now. If we are to pay more, we have a perfect right to an explanation as to why, and what this extra expense is going to get us.

If it's nothing, well, CCP, hate to tell you this, but with the cost of gas doubling in the last couple years, food prices rising, etc, this means less money left over for entertainment.

Toolbert
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2008.05.22 16:03:00 - [48]
 

At this point, CCP might aswell add in a life time subscription option. I would seriously consider it now. Hellgate London, and Lord of the Rings both offer these options for $150 for one account. I think the idea is awesome and I would be willing to pay that high but one time fee to not have to worry about time cards and monthly fee increases ever again.

Jack Gilligan
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.05.22 16:04:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Kerfira
Edited by: Kerfira on 22/05/2008 16:02:05
Originally by: Jack Gilligan
I have a certain amount per month I am willing to pay for a MMO. Currently I run 4 accounts. That will be cut, indeed I just set very long skill trains on 2 of them and canceled. CCP will in the end make no more money because of this.

Oh, I think they will earn more.
One in every seven accounts affected by this would have to be cancelled for them to be worse off. Don't see that happening.

European players are as happy as fish in a pond about this. It shows that CCP wants this to be a game where everyone pay the same.
For Americans, blame your government....



I don't think US politics are appropriate here.

Zephyrante
Big Guns Inc.
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2008.05.22 16:04:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Kerfira
Edited by: Kerfira on 22/05/2008 16:02:05
Originally by: Jack Gilligan
I have a certain amount per month I am willing to pay for a MMO. Currently I run 4 accounts. That will be cut, indeed I just set very long skill trains on 2 of them and canceled. CCP will in the end make no more money because of this.

Oh, I think they will earn more.
One in every seven accounts affected by this would have to be cancelled for them to be worse off. Don't see that happening.

European players are as happy as fish in a pond about this. It shows that CCP wants this to be a game where everyone pay the same.
For Americans, blame your government....



Im an european player, all my corp mates are and all are buying in dolars because you pay less that way so no, smart europeans that where buying GTCs in Dolars arent happy.

Master Spoonman
FinFleet
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2008.05.22 16:09:00 - [51]
 

Thinly veiled attempt to charge your customers more money for a worse product? Bad show, CCP.

Nikeffo
Caldari
Digital Fury Corporation
Posted - 2008.05.22 16:11:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Jack Gilligan

I don't think US politics are appropriate here.



US Politics are not appropriate anywhere...

Seriously, With the weak $, this is a wise move by CCP to keep afloat. And if you people cant afford two extra bucks a month, skip a couple of beers or quit smoking. Its not that hard. $2 extra a month.

Have some cheese with your wHine.

bestsnail
Posted - 2008.05.22 16:13:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Jack Gilligan
Originally by: Kerfira
Edited by: Kerfira on 22/05/2008 16:02:05
Originally by: Jack Gilligan
I have a certain amount per month I am willing to pay for a MMO. Currently I run 4 accounts. That will be cut, indeed I just set very long skill trains on 2 of them and canceled. CCP will in the end make no more money because of this.

Oh, I think they will earn more.
One in every seven accounts affected by this would have to be cancelled for them to be worse off. Don't see that happening.

European players are as happy as fish in a pond about this. It shows that CCP wants this to be a game where everyone pay the same.
For Americans, blame your government....



I don't think US politics are appropriate here.


Accually he is right. Americans right now pay alot less per month to play the game. The dollar is worth about 40% less than it was when eve first start so who can blame them for raising the price.

If eve = cow and euro = chicken and dollar = pigs.
If 1 cow cost 15 chickens but 1 pig is worth 3 chickens how many pigs does it cost to buy 1 cow. thats right 5 pigs but the way it is now they are accepting 4 pigs and the chickens dont think its fair.

Pilot Abilene
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.05.22 16:14:00 - [54]
 

While we are at it lets remove GTC trading for ISK too...I mean seriously, get a job you bums. If paying the monthly fee is breaking your budget then playing online computer games is the least of your worries. There is only one valid reason for GTC use and that is for ppl who don't have a credit card and therefore a GTC should = subscription cost or close to it depending on where you live, end of story...none of this getting GTC's cheaper than subscribers shenanigans.

You can cancel and restart your account using a credit card any time you like so i don't see how GTC's are more flexible with regard to choosing when you play.

Shintai
Gallente
Arx Io Orbital Factories
Arx Io
Posted - 2008.05.22 16:15:00 - [55]
 

Edited by: Shintai on 22/05/2008 16:17:34
Edited by: Shintai on 22/05/2008 16:16:43
Originally by: Naomi Chiyo
Edited by: Naomi Chiyo on 22/05/2008 15:22:22
Those new timecards don t just affect the games flexibility, thy are increasing the price by the fair amount of 35%.
Just consider a 90day -GTC being sold for over 50$ cause that would be the equivalent to those new codes.
I mean when you ve to adjust to something, and change the length of the codes,
WHY INCREASE THE PRICE BY 35% AS WELL ?




Because 1 Euro is 1.572 dollars? Try check the dollar vs euro chart. Then start complain to the US goverment instead. When EvE began it was around 1:1.1 to 1.15. So be happy its ONLY 35%.

Chart

Its not CCPs fault that the dollar suck so much as it does.

Lorna Loot
Caldari
NibbleTek
Posted - 2008.05.22 16:15:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: Kerfira

European players are as happy as fish in a pond about this. It shows that CCP wants this to be a game where everyone pay the same.
For Americans, blame your government....



Can you read? or do simple maths?

Now: 90days = $38.85 = 19.63

After the change: 60days = $38 = 19.2

Now, tell me why I'm as happy as a fish in a pond, unless the pond is acid and the fish is melting alive. I don't see exactly how losing a month of playtime but paying the same makes me in any way happy.

Lorna Loot
Caldari
NibbleTek
Posted - 2008.05.22 16:16:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Shintai
Originally by: Naomi Chiyo
Edited by: Naomi Chiyo on 22/05/2008 15:22:22
Those new timecards don t just affect the games flexibility, thy are increasing the price by the fair amount of 35%.
Just consider a 90day -GTC being sold for over 50$ cause that would be the equivalent to those new codes.
I mean when you ve to adjust to something, and change the length of the codes,
WHY INCREASE THE PRICE BY 35% AS WELL ?




Because 1 Euro is 1.572 dollars? Try check the dollar vs euro chart. Then start complain to the US goverment instead.

INSERT STUPID LINK HERE!

Its not CCPs fault that the dollar suck so much as it does.


FIX YOUR DAMN PAGE DESTROYING LINK!

LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
Posted - 2008.05.22 16:16:00 - [58]
 

Someone, make a thread in the new CSM forum. I'm voting for this being an issue.

So get 5% support as well, so CCP can see it's a concern of the playerbase, and I'm sure we can have a look at it, next month for the Iceland CSM meeting.

Toolbert
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2008.05.22 16:19:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: Pilot Abilene
While we are at it lets remove GTC trading for ISK too...I mean seriously, get a job you bums. If paying the monthly fee is breaking your budget then playing online computer games is the least of your worries. There is only one valid reason for GTC use and that is for ppl who don't have a credit card and therefore a GTC should = subscription cost or close to it depending on where you live, end of story...none of this getting GTC's cheaper than subscribers shenanigans.

You can cancel and restart your account using a credit card any time you like so i don't see how GTC's are more flexible with regard to choosing when you play.

Kerfira
Kerfira Corp
Posted - 2008.05.22 16:21:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: Jack Gilligan
I don't think US politics are appropriate here.

Why? They're the base cause of this.

CCP operate in RL ISK (which I think is bound to the Euro?). The free-falling dollar means CCP is getting less money all the time from their US customers, but their expenses stay the same.
Basic economics say that they'll have to raise prices.

So yes, US politics are appropriate to mention here. Building up a ginormous state and trade deficit has always had one result, and that is a devalued currency which automatically leads to higher prices for imports. EVE as such is an import. Cause and effect!


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