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Locii
Posted - 2008.05.23 16:46:00 - [451]
 

if they want to do any changes, maybe this would be good.

time cards 30,60,90 and 120 days a flat fee to all players no matter where they are in teh world of the highest currect rate. 131.40 euros or $205.

we win ccp makes a truck load more cash.. even more than they will through this half baked plan they currently have to strip us of cash

Kuseka Adama
Gallente
Northstar Cabal
Posted - 2008.05.23 16:47:00 - [452]
 

Originally by: Rorin Cutter
Originally by: Kuseka Adama
*starts handing out cheese for all the whine.*

Seriously we need a friggin fleet of Whaaaaaambulances.

Speaking as an American this doesnt affect me much Though i tend to just pay the current rate no matter what. I subscribe i dont use GTC's. If this means an over all subscription increase is in the future then i might have a problem. Though the fact is cirucmstances are setup so i can pay for a year within the next 3 weeks so i really dont see the problem in all of this. Personally i think the GTC should be eliminated in general. It was a good idea when it started but now its an ISK for RL money device. Some are whining about not being able to choose the amount of time they play.

Thats not true. You arent being allowed to choose at the PRICE you want. A multi monthly subscription runs about the same cost as a GTC. You are free in that time frame to cancel if you choose or at the end of it cancel. I was forced to do it because of net issues last year. I had no problems from CCP in that regard. They did not continue to charge my card i didnt have to go 15 rounds with lawyers.

Dont want to pay more? Tough i wont be surprised if other MMO's do it at some point. Other games you can play online. Hell i have TF2 and supcom in my bag of tricks. I cant comprehend all the responds this thread has gotten. If you want to leave leave. I really could give a damn there are plenty of people playing.

To the asshats bashing the 'bush' economy as if any other president would of been able to fix matters. I mean come on oil was going to do this no matter what. BTW 1-800-biteme1 is waiting for your complaints. **** happens. Its the real friggin world boys and girls. Either way i am content paying for how i am playing right now. Eliminate the GTC and make this a pure subscriber based game CCP. Lets end a huge avenue for ISK selling right now.


I think your missing the point, not everyone has the bank payment option and or a credit card. If you can pay for the next year, thats fine. I can't and thats not fine for me. If GTC's were taken away I wouldn't be playing at all. I need the 30 day option, or I can not play like I do today. It's that simple. I can quit pvp'ing with you... and rat for 60 days to make enough isk for this new card or I can stop playing and go find a game to play somewhere else. I like eve and want to keep playing, I am just not sure that I can:-(


Sorry the legitimate complaints got drowned out for me in the flood of whines. At least you have a reason for this complaint. A lot of the people are probably private isk selers (using GTC's to fund their characters) I dont like the system :-/ I hope you can continue playing by the way.

Princess Gally
Posted - 2008.05.23 16:57:00 - [453]
 

Originally by: Nyphur

You're still not getting it. Game time codes are used primarily by people with no access to a credit card, either by buying through alternative purchasing mediums like paypal or by buying them with isk. The lack of a 30d code removes the ability of anyone who relies on GTCS to buy on a monthly basis and removes their ability to buy a code for a small amount of isk. As most players only keep enough isk in their wallets to be able to afford the current 30d code prices, those who rely on them are faced with either increasing their wallet to an average holding of 350m+ (whatever the new price will be for 60d codes) or if they can't do that cancelling their accounts. The former isn't always possible and nobody wants the latter to happen.


I got your point and my guess is CCP weighted the pro and the cons. While they make it harder to pay playtime with isk (but still possible), they forbid europeans to buy 30 days playtime for 9.45 instead of 14.9...
I think we can understand CCP choice. Like I said, it was good while it lasted

Lemony Snicket
Posted - 2008.05.23 17:00:00 - [454]
 

Originally by: Kuseka Adama
If you want to leave leave. I really could give a damn there are plenty of people playing.


Thanks for the permission buddy, because I was just about to ask you... whoever you are.

I am a bit concerned about this because I run two accounts, one through monthly subscription and the other through a GTC that I buy with isk. The reason I am concerned is that the price of GTC's (relating to isk) fluctuates so much. I just bought a 3 month for 310 mil a couple of weeks ago since then the prices have gone back up to 400-410 mil. This price fluctuation is recurring. Since the price of the GTC is going to increase in RL currency (per month value) the price for the GTC in isk is going to increase but at what rate and to what level?

I'm guessing the price will be around 400 million isk for 60 days. In this case running the second account may not be worth the hassle of coming up with the difference in isk every two months as you can see if you do the math it is almost twice the cost based on these figures.

What are your estimates?

Locii
Posted - 2008.05.23 17:01:00 - [455]
 

just make the rest of the world pay teh same as euro players. much better alllround. $205 a year ftw

Kaian Voskhod
Posted - 2008.05.23 17:03:00 - [456]
 

Originally by: Locii
just make the rest of the world pay teh same as euro players. much better alllround. $205 a year ftw


Lol yeah, force the rest of the world to pay in euro Twisted Evil

Nyphur
Pillowsoft
Posted - 2008.05.23 17:05:00 - [457]
 

Originally by: Princess Gally
I got your point and my guess is CCP weighted the pro and the cons. While they make it harder to pay playtime with isk (but still possible), they forbid europeans to buy 30 days playtime for 9.45 instead of 14.9...
I think we can understand CCP choice. Like I said, it was good while it lasted

My point went right over your head again. We're not discussing the pros and cons of the old game time code prices versus the new ones. We're discussing the pros and cons of having a single 60d gtc versus having a range of 30, 60 and 90d codes regardless of price concerns. It's very irritating to essentially repeat myself several times and not have the point get across. I don't give a crap what the new codes cost, that's not the issue. The issue is why they removed the option of having a 30d code altogether. After the change, we'll only have 60d codes and there is absolutely no reason for that restriction or simplification.

With regard to considering pros and cons, there are no apparant benefits to CCP of simplifying the system to use only 60d gtcs but there are cons associated with it that I've already gone over twice in separate posts. They could quite easily release 30d, 60d and 90d codes at the same cost per day as the new 60d one and the issue would be resolved with no apparant downside. If they DO have a good reason for canning the 30d and 90d codes that we're just not aware of, why aren't they just coming out and saying it?

Gajowy
Posted - 2008.05.23 17:10:00 - [458]
 

Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: Princess Gally
If they DO have a good reason for canning the 30d and 90d codes that we're just not aware of, why aren't they just coming out and saying it?


I think the reason is that 30d for 20$ will look bad in comparison to other mmos which all are 15$ for 30d

Kaian Voskhod
Posted - 2008.05.23 17:10:00 - [459]
 

OK, there are two issues
- +30% Shocked prices
- sigle 60D instead of 30/60/90


Locii
Posted - 2008.05.23 17:10:00 - [460]
 

your right there are no benifits to changing the system to only 60day time codes from a player point of view.. a ccp point of view is that they will make more cash out of the customer base and seems that they dont give a crap what the customer bases thinks

Sabrina Treadehugger
Posted - 2008.05.23 17:14:00 - [461]
 

eve is not so cheap everywhere but you don't see people complaining, what we see is ignorant little babies that tell us how cheap it is for them and how they buy more beer in a week.

but hey guess i'll go farm isk so that 2 day old noobs can have the chars you've worked for years making.

Kurogauna
Posted - 2008.05.23 17:14:00 - [462]
 

I'll fill a report to some Video game websites... I'm sure it is a good advertising "Eve online +30% subscription price increase"

Vengeance ! Twisted Evil

Kaian Voskhod
Posted - 2008.05.23 17:16:00 - [463]
 

Quote:
eve is not so cheap everywhere


Eve, should have the same price everywhere and THEN include the local VAT in the bill.

Princess Gally
Posted - 2008.05.23 17:16:00 - [464]
 

Edited by: Princess Gally on 23/05/2008 17:18:01
Originally by: Nyphur

My point went right over your head again. We're not discussing the pros and cons of the old game time code prices versus the new ones. We're discussing the pros and cons of having a single 60d gtc versus having a range of 30, 60 and 90d codes regardless of price concerns. It's very irritating to essentially repeat myself several times and not have the point get across. I don't give a crap what the new codes cost, that's not the issue. The issue is why they removed the option of having a 30d code altogether. After the change, we'll only have 60d codes and there is absolutely no reason for that restriction or simplification.

With regard to considering pros and cons, there are no apparant benefits to CCP of simplifying the system to use only 60d gtcs but there are cons associated with it that I've already gone over twice in separate posts. They could quite easily release 30d, 60d and 90d codes at the same cost per day as the new 60d one and the issue would be resolved with no apparant downside. If they DO have a good reason for canning the 30d and 90d codes that we're just not aware of, why aren't they just coming out and saying it?


If you keep $14.9 30days GTC, europeans can keep up buying 30 days of playtime cheaper than a 1 month CC subscription! Is that hard to understand? Sure they could keep selling the 30 days GTC, but in order to make europeans pay the REAL price (aka 14.9 for a 30 days period), they'd have to raise the 30d GTC price up to 23.5$ (14.9 with current exchange rate), whereas in the US the 30days sub is 14.9$! Can't you see the obvious?

Imo THAT is the reason

Excuse me if i can't write well, i'm not native english. So make an effort please...

Kaian Voskhod
Posted - 2008.05.23 17:19:00 - [465]
 

Edited by: Kaian Voskhod on 23/05/2008 17:19:21
Quote:
but in order to make europeans pay the REAL price (aka 14.9 for a 30 days period)


What is the real price ?

14.9 or 14.9$ ?

I wonder if i can ask a legal detailled bill to ccp in order to make te VAT clearly appear.
It is the LAW, they can't refuse that Rolling Eyes

Gajowy
Posted - 2008.05.23 17:20:00 - [466]
 

Originally by: Princess Gally
Edited by: Princess Gally on 23/05/2008 17:18:01
Originally by: Nyphur

My point went right over your head again. We're not discussing the pros and cons of the old game time code prices versus the new ones. We're discussing the pros and cons of having a single 60d gtc versus having a range of 30, 60 and 90d codes regardless of price concerns. It's very irritating to essentially repeat myself several times and not have the point get across. I don't give a crap what the new codes cost, that's not the issue. The issue is why they removed the option of having a 30d code altogether. After the change, we'll only have 60d codes and there is absolutely no reason for that restriction or simplification.

With regard to considering pros and cons, there are no apparant benefits to CCP of simplifying the system to use only 60d gtcs but there are cons associated with it that I've already gone over twice in separate posts. They could quite easily release 30d, 60d and 90d codes at the same cost per day as the new 60d one and the issue would be resolved with no apparant downside. If they DO have a good reason for canning the 30d and 90d codes that we're just not aware of, why aren't they just coming out and saying it?


If you keep $14.9 30days GTC, europeans can keep up buying 30 days of playtime cheaper than a 1 month CC subscription! Is that hard to understand? Sure they could keep selling the 30 days GTC, but in order to make europeans pay the REAL price (aka 14.9€ for a 30 days period), they'd have to raise the 30d GTC price up to 23.5$ (14.9€ with current exchange rate), whereas in the US the 30days sub is 14.9$! Can't you see the obvious?

Imo THAT is the reason

Excuse me if i can't write well, i'm not native english. So make an effort please...


That doesent make sense, european players still can buy it cheaper, only difference is that it will be 60d tc.

Sabrina Treadehugger
Posted - 2008.05.23 17:21:00 - [467]
 

Originally by: Kaian Voskhod
Quote:
eve is not so cheap everywhere


Eve, should have the same price everywhere and THEN include the local VAT in the bill.


yes but you took it out of context ,the monthly sub doesn't mean a movie ticket or 2 beers everywhere like some people think

Princess Gally
Posted - 2008.05.23 17:24:00 - [468]
 

Edited by: Princess Gally on 23/05/2008 17:26:00
Originally by: Gajowy
Originally by: Princess Gally
Edited by: Princess Gally on 23/05/2008 17:18:01
Originally by: Nyphur

My point went right over your head again. We're not discussing the pros and cons of the old game time code prices versus the new ones. We're discussing the pros and cons of having a single 60d gtc versus having a range of 30, 60 and 90d codes regardless of price concerns. It's very irritating to essentially repeat myself several times and not have the point get across. I don't give a crap what the new codes cost, that's not the issue. The issue is why they removed the option of having a 30d code altogether. After the change, we'll only have 60d codes and there is absolutely no reason for that restriction or simplification.

With regard to considering pros and cons, there are no apparant benefits to CCP of simplifying the system to use only 60d gtcs but there are cons associated with it that I've already gone over twice in separate posts. They could quite easily release 30d, 60d and 90d codes at the same cost per day as the new 60d one and the issue would be resolved with no apparant downside. If they DO have a good reason for canning the 30d and 90d codes that we're just not aware of, why aren't they just coming out and saying it?


If you keep $14.9 30days GTC, europeans can keep up buying 30 days of playtime cheaper than a 1 month CC subscription! Is that hard to understand? Sure they could keep selling the 30 days GTC, but in order to make europeans pay the REAL price (aka 14.9 for a 30 days period), they'd have to raise the 30d GTC price up to 23.5$ (14.9 with current exchange rate), whereas in the US the 30days sub is 14.9$! Can't you see the obvious?

Imo THAT is the reason

Excuse me if i can't write well, i'm not native english. So make an effort please...


That doesent make sense, european players still can buy it cheaper, only difference is that it will be 60d tc.

Exactly! That's why I told few pages ago they do not remove the loophole, they're just nerfing it.
With the new price it will be 11/month (instead of 9.5) with a 2 month period. That's a very fair price but we will have less free training than with two 30 days GTC.

Nyphur
Pillowsoft
Posted - 2008.05.23 17:29:00 - [469]
 

Originally by: Princess Gally
Excuse me if i can't write well, i'm not native english. So make an effort please...

Ah, then I guess you misunderstood what I meant by keeping the 30d gtc at the same price per day as the new 60d gtc.
It costs $34.99 for a new 60 day code. That's $0.583167 per day. So the new 30 day code would cost $17.495. CCP don't lose money by making a $17.495 30 day code but having no 30 day code could lose them customers. I am saying that there is NO benefit to CCP gained by having no 30 day code compared to having a 30 day code for 17.495.

Anti Excedrin
Posted - 2008.05.23 17:29:00 - [470]
 

Originally by: Kaian Voskhod

What is the real price ?

14.9 or 14.9$ ?

I wonder if i can ask a legal detailled bill to ccp in order to make te VAT clearly appear.
It is the LAW, they can't refuse that Rolling Eyes


Hey whats the real price on a BMW eh? Why does European delivery cut about 3 grand off the purchase? Rolling Eyes

Kiiikoooloool
Posted - 2008.05.23 17:36:00 - [471]
 

Quote:
Hey whats the real price on a BMW eh? Why does European delivery cut about 3 grand off the purchase?


"What you pay is not the cost, just the amount you can spend in..."

And what if:
The real price is always the lower ^ ^. After all, it's the lowest offer that a seller can afford ^ ^.


Locii
Posted - 2008.05.23 17:38:00 - [472]
 

Edited by: Locii on 23/05/2008 17:38:11
well at least the in game time code sellers will be happy. a 30% rise in isk flowing in as we all need more cards.. the rich get richer the poor get poorer... nice work ccp

Anti Excedrin
Posted - 2008.05.23 17:41:00 - [473]
 

Originally by: Kiiikoooloool

"What you pay is not the cost, just the amount you can spend in..."

And what if:
The real price is always the lower ^ ^. After all, it's the lowest offer that a seller can afford ^ ^.




The real price is simply the price you personally manage to pay. The real cost is how much it costs the manufacturer to create the product. The profit is the difference. Fun fun.

CCP could probably afford much closer to $5 USD than anyone of us would like to admit. As I've said a great many times in this thread. Server costs are mainly a fixed cost. Each additional account has a tiny marginal cost. Other businesses with similiar cost structures pretty much live and die based off their ability to enact price discrimination.

Vito Parabellum
Fivrelde Corp
Posted - 2008.05.23 17:43:00 - [474]
 

Edited by: Vito Parabellum on 23/05/2008 17:44:09

Haha another boneheaded move, probably decided during a CCP beerparty (AKA lunch).

Khudo
Posted - 2008.05.23 17:46:00 - [475]
 

Quote:
CCP beerparty (AKA lunch)


LaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughing

Anyway...

I really would like to know the exact margin profit ^ ^. I don't know about you, but i have a strange feeling in my backside.

Rebel Mojo
Posted - 2008.05.23 18:01:00 - [476]
 

i posted something about this, but cant find it, anyways:

Its called PAY MORE get LESS, the "attune our product offerings with industry standards" is my friends, pure grade BS politician talk to increase prices.

Now, i would go back to the credit card method, but since the security "fix" ccp yet again jodio up that service and i get a not authorized banning for using the same credit card i have used up to that "fix" (for a year).

TBH trying to get a service from ccp feels like handling some goverment agency...and im paying for it!!!ugh

DogSlime
Caldari
Wilde Cards
Posted - 2008.05.23 18:06:00 - [477]
 


I can see why prices need to rise. Prices are going up in general (oil, anyone?), and CCP is (supposedly) investing in new server/network architecture...

...but why get rid of 30 and 90 day cards?

Once again, the only answer that I can think of is that they don't give a damn about their user-base, and they are stupid.

I can't think of them any other way since the boot.ini debacle and stuff like this just re-inforces that opinion.

Seems like Eve is successful in spite of - not because of - the decisions they make as a company.

Hasak Rain
Amarr
Posted - 2008.05.23 18:08:00 - [478]
 

Originally by: Lemony Snicket
Originally by: Kuseka Adama
If you want to leave leave. I really could give a damn there are plenty of people playing.


Thanks for the permission buddy, because I was just about to ask you... whoever you are.

I am a bit concerned about this because I run two accounts, one through monthly subscription and the other through a GTC that I buy with isk. The reason I am concerned is that the price of GTC's (relating to isk) fluctuates so much. I just bought a 3 month for 310 mil a couple of weeks ago since then the prices have gone back up to 400-410 mil. This price fluctuation is recurring. Since the price of the GTC is going to increase in RL currency (per month value) the price for the GTC in isk is going to increase but at what rate and to what level?

I'm guessing the price will be around 400 million isk for 60 days. In this case running the second account may not be worth the hassle of coming up with the difference in isk every two months as you can see if you do the math it is almost twice the cost based on these figures.

What are your estimates?



400 million isk divided by 2 months is 50 million isk a week. That is basically two lvl 4 Worlds Collides a week to pay for the GTC. Laughing

Anti Excedrin
Posted - 2008.05.23 18:17:00 - [479]
 

Originally by: DogSlime

I can see why prices need to rise. Prices are going up in general (oil, anyone?),


Just shut up. Shut up right now. You know jack **** about how prices work. Rising price of oil has little effect on the cost of an MMO subscription.

Also just to rub it in the European faces just a little bit more. Aussies pay 14.95 Australian dollars. Which is only 14.37 US dollars. Oh now. Lets everyone now ***** about the evil Aussies paying even less than Americans!

Princess Gally
Posted - 2008.05.23 18:19:00 - [480]
 

Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: Princess Gally
Excuse me if i can't write well, i'm not native english. So make an effort please...

Ah, then I guess you misunderstood what I meant by keeping the 30d gtc at the same price per day as the new 60d gtc.
It costs $34.99 for a new 60 day code. That's $0.583167 per day. So the new 30 day code would cost $17.495. CCP don't lose money by making a $17.495 30 day code but having no 30 day code could lose them customers. I am saying that there is NO benefit to CCP gained by having no 30 day code compared to having a 30 day code for 17.495.

Well keep in mind that imo this change is to make europeans pay via CC subscription. So, if they applied what you say (a $18 30 days GTC), europeans could buy at Shatered Crystals 30day of playtime for 11.4. So we europeans would still have a very cheap way to keep the flexibility of incrementing by 30days (and have lot of free training btw).
So the key here is to make the europeans PAY the flexibility (and free training). An honnest european pay 15 for max flexibility and free training whereas with GTC i can have the same service for only 9.5. CCP had to react tbh...

in short:
old system for europeans: cheap and flexible
new system for europeans: less cheap and less flexible

And again, that seems fair to me. Now I understand that with the new system you'll have to gather more isk (60 days instead of 30) to afford an increased price (in $ and so in isk) playtime. And I understand that bothers you.
But instead of blaming CCP, blame players like me who have exploited the loophole and made CCP react Embarassed


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