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MBlaster
TANK.
Posted - 2008.05.23 11:38:00 - [391]
 

The price rise doesn't bother me, CCP is a business after all. I just want to pay monthly as its more convenient for me.

Bad idea CCP.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2008.05.23 11:40:00 - [392]
 

Originally by: Sabrina Treadehugger
what about the people you play with you're ok with them leaving over stupid measures ?
Well, they're not leaving either, so no worries there.

Karando
Random Goods
Posted - 2008.05.23 11:47:00 - [393]
 

17.5 dollars per 30 days, this is a joke.
With a price of $38.85 for 90 days of game time, you could get a third month for $3.86 more.

Could it be that the 22nd of May is some kind of "Second April Fools' Day"?

Locii
Posted - 2008.05.23 11:53:00 - [394]
 

Me and teh gf run 6 accounts between us, thsi is mainly so we can enjoy all aspects of eve without choking 1 account with too many skills to ever be able to train... 4 accounts will now be cancelled if this goes ahead..

epic fail ccp

Zetjur Jilnou
Rapid Deployment Industries
Posted - 2008.05.23 11:56:00 - [395]
 

LOL @ The number of eternal quitters.

OH MY GOD SO MANY MORE DOLLARS, WHATEVER WILL WE DO

(Perhaps blame your government for your failing currency?)

Sabrina Treadehugger
Posted - 2008.05.23 11:58:00 - [396]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Sabrina Treadehugger
what about the people you play with you're ok with them leaving over stupid measures ?
Well, they're not leaving either, so no worries there.


some of mine are leaving or cancelling accounts.

also you will never know it but you might miss making some new friends becouse of this.

Toreth
Posted - 2008.05.23 11:59:00 - [397]
 

Edited by: Toreth on 23/05/2008 12:04:20
Edited by: Toreth on 23/05/2008 12:01:48
Originally by: Zetjur Jilnou
(Perhaps blame your government for your failing currency?)


My currency is at the highest it's ever been since it was floated in 1983.

Removing the 30 day GTCs and making it more expensive to pay in isk is what will get me. The value of paying by CC is at the cheapest it's ever been, but after years of paying that way I just switched to GTC's only to have this happen a month after.

True Carebear
Posted - 2008.05.23 12:02:00 - [398]
 

Edited by: True Carebear on 23/05/2008 12:02:52
i just liek having the coice to buy in 30 and 90 day options. ok buying in $ helps a lot when you live in the uk. but a 30% rise in price is very unfair on players not to mention taking away there choice about how much time to buy in 1 go

GB Man
Caldari
Posted - 2008.05.23 12:11:00 - [399]
 

I can't be bothered to read through 14 pages of comments. That being said, am I the only one who thinks that the drastic change to GTC sales has less to do with equalizing the price exchange for the US dollar and more on a veiled attempt to hinder RMT sales?

Breytac
Caldari
Eagle Industries
Posted - 2008.05.23 12:11:00 - [400]
 

Well, I was going to raise isk for a carrier alt by selling GTC's, as well as I want this character to fly HAC's and Marauders. I don't buy my GTC's through the Eve Store, so unless the site I get GTC's from sells the new cards at a minimum, it looks like it will be years before I get my alt into carriers and my main into HAC's and Marauders, not the months I was hoping for.

GB Man
Caldari
Posted - 2008.05.23 12:17:00 - [401]
 

Originally by: Breytac
Well, I was going to raise isk for a carrier alt by selling GTC's, as well as I want this character to fly HAC's and Marauders. I don't buy my GTC's through the Eve Store, so unless the site I get GTC's from sells the new cards at a minimum, it looks like it will be years before I get my alt into carriers and my main into HAC's and Marauders, not the months I was hoping for.


This brings up a pretty important point. I foresee a massive buyout of GTCs by RMT websites to keep this going. CCP probably knows this will happen, but the real question is, can CCP do anything about it?

I am a huge supporter of CCPs secure ETC system. But I see that system utterly falling apart in favor of buying the GTCs from 3rd party stores.

ROPE HEAD
Minmatar
KickAssCrew
Posted - 2008.05.23 12:17:00 - [402]
 

not being able to pick a 30 day gtc bites
and "wah wah wah"
credit card ftw nowIdea

CCP Wrangler

Posted - 2008.05.23 12:45:00 - [403]
 

This change is being done to simplify the system and attune our product offerings with industry standards, as mentioned in the news. It does not affect any of our other payment options or subscription plans; you can read about those in the FAQ.

Korth
Amarr
Serenity Technology
Posted - 2008.05.23 12:49:00 - [404]
 

Industry standards? 30 day for 14.99 is industry standard. How is 60 day for 34.99 industry standard?

ToxicFire
Phoenix Knights
Posted - 2008.05.23 12:50:00 - [405]
 

Edited by: ToxicFire on 23/05/2008 12:59:55
Edited by: ToxicFire on 23/05/2008 12:53:52
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
This change is being done to simplify the system and attune our product offerings with industry standards, as mentioned in the news. It does not affect any of our other payment options or subscription plans; you can read about those in the FAQ.


Sry wrangler, there is no industry standard please link the formal document for this standard please if other wise, but removing a monthly code is certainly a move away from any industry norm, the only way I could see the supposition that 60 day is a standard is by looking at WoW's pre paid game time codes but look at every other subscription based mmo and you'll find 30 & 90 day options heck theres even 15 day options for some.

UO -- 30,90,180 Days http://www.shatteredcrystal.com/code.php/ultima_online
SOE MMO's including Planetside, Matrix online, EQ and SWG -- 30 & 90 Days http://www.shatteredcrystal.com/code.php/planetside
City of Heros/Villians 15,30,60 Days http://www.shatteredcrystal.com/code.php/city_of_heroes

Theres a couple of minutes research proving my point 60 day only in the pre paid option not exactlyu the norm

Heroldyn
Posted - 2008.05.23 12:51:00 - [406]
 

Originally by: CCP Wrangler
This change is being done to simplify the system and attune our product offerings with industry standards, as mentioned in the news. It does not affect any of our other payment options or subscription plans; you can read about those in the FAQ.


we know that sentence allready :P

Rorin Cutter
Caldari
Defensores Fidei
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2008.05.23 12:59:00 - [407]
 

Originally by: CCP Wrangler
This change is being done to simplify the system and attune our product offerings with industry standards, as mentioned in the news. It does not affect any of our other payment options or subscription plans; you can read about those in the FAQ.


I think you can safely say that after 14 pages of don't do this to us, this quote is not working anymore. CCP just did a bang up job of alienating a very large portion of there player base. If thats what you wanted you did fine if not, give us back the choice of how we pay to play eve. Because in the end we all pay to play and we are the customer, not the other way around.

-Rorin

Pardack
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.05.23 13:00:00 - [408]
 

Edited by: Pardack on 23/05/2008 13:01:06
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
This change is being done to simplify the system and attune our product offerings with industry standards, as mentioned in the news. It does not affect any of our other payment options or subscription plans; you can read about those in the FAQ.


14 Pages of comments, some of which directly address the 'Industry Standard' fallacy and you're spewing this nonsense still? How is a $5 premium for the use of etc/gtc 'standard' in any way, shape or form? Not to mention the elimination of 30-day option which is the most versatile (and common sense option IMO) option for customers AND and an option that is also available for virtually every MMO.

If you're going to raise prices don't dance around the issue, playing games. At least treat your customers with some respect and be honest about it.

Siona Windweaver
Placeholder Holdings
Posted - 2008.05.23 13:03:00 - [409]
 

Originally by: CCP Wrangler
This change is being done to simplify the system and attune our product offerings with industry standards, as mentioned in the news. It does not affect any of our other payment options or subscription plans; you can read about those in the FAQ.


Industry standand is lowering first time purchase price while not changing monthly fees. Increasing a GTC price and decreasing number of available options is NOT industry standard. Not even EA does that.

If there is any change in monthly fees, they go DOWN, not up, thats the industry standard.

Marisal
Posted - 2008.05.23 13:09:00 - [410]
 

Originally by: Siona Windweaver
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
This change is being done to simplify the system and attune our product offerings with industry standards, as mentioned in the news. It does not affect any of our other payment options or subscription plans; you can read about those in the FAQ.


Industry standand is lowering first time purchase price while not changing monthly fees. Increasing a GTC price and decreasing number of available options is NOT industry standard. Not even EA does that.

If there is any change in monthly fees, they go DOWN, not up, thats the industry standard.


Could this be because the population of eve has recently peaked and the possibility the potential growth of turn over may not grow dramatically any time soon?

Waste Land
Posted - 2008.05.23 13:09:00 - [411]
 

Originally by: CCP Wrangler
This change is being done to simplify the system and attune our product offerings with industry standards, as mentioned in the news. It does not affect any of our other payment options or subscription plans; you can read about those in the FAQ.


This is what I call a punch in the face.
Nothing better than repeating that nonsense after 14 pages?

Karando
Random Goods
Posted - 2008.05.23 13:09:00 - [412]
 

Originally by: CCP Wrangler
This change is being done to simplify the system and attune our product offerings with industry standards

Yeah, sure, INDUSTRY STANDARD. Laughing Just because Blizzard offers 60-day-GTCs for WoW it doesn't mean it's a ****in industry standard.

If industry standards are so important for you, why don't we add battlegrounds to the World of EVEcraft, eh?! Or maybe give players the opportunity to buy cool looking Tier6 dungeon armor for Ambulation?

Sidrat Flush
Caldari
Eve Industrial Corp
Posted - 2008.05.23 13:12:00 - [413]
 

Originally by: Lord XSiV
Originally by: Mac Maniac
I am seriously considering closing my 2nd account and from what I am hearing from my corpmates; many of them as well. CCP you are heading in entirely the WRONG direction.



Yawn.

Don't worry, your threat to cancel your 'second' account has been noted and falls into a very low to non-existent likelihood of occurance. And if it were to happen, the revenue will quickly be replaced by a real dedicated player once power of two is offered once again.

Thank you CCP for starting to address real paying customers concerns of being able to play the game by 'culling' the free loaders into paying what is more appropriate for an on demand method of payment which is common everywhere else.




How are people who can only purchase codes with cash, free loaders? Sure some buy codes to sell on for ISK. They've still purchased it from a third party company, and now those companies will have to change their eve online page and prices just because CCP wants to increase the price and curtail choice.

For many people, paying direct by debit or credit card isn't an option, so we are forced (unless we stop playing eve, of course) to go through the hoops of the 3rd party resellers, when all we want is the ability to pay for the game time in bite size chunks that we can a) plan for, around personal schedules and b) afford in one lump sum, and continue playing.

It's not rocket science, and those people who have purchased 30 day codes will find they have to pay nearly 50% on top, in one go to re-activate their account.

I'm sure in time everyone will be used to it though, what I'm wondering is how much these 60 day codes will level out at for ISK.

June K'aral
Posted - 2008.05.23 13:13:00 - [414]
 

Originally by: CCP Wrangler
This change is being done to simplify the system and attune our product offerings with industry standards, as mentioned in the news. It does not affect any of our other payment options or subscription plans; you can read about those in the FAQ.

What industry standard?! Based on information from ShatteredCrystal.com, the only 2 MMO's I can see that use just 60 day cards is WOW and LOTRO. Sony uses 30 and 90-day card system(at least 6 MMO's here), NCSoft(City of Heroes, Tabula Rasa,...) has 15, 30, 60-day cards.
Why then was the choice made of going with a system that is clearly in the minority?
Why not give the players the choice?
Wouldn't a system similar to NCSoft's be better? Where you'd have a 30 day for 20$(19.99$), 60 day for 30$(29.99$) and a 90 day for 40(or 38.85$ or even 39.99$).
Lack of options could very well drive players away...

Moff Tigriss
Gallente
IMpAct Corp
Posted - 2008.05.23 13:14:00 - [415]
 

Hmmm, 14 pages of messages, and finaly only one official reaction : two lines copied from the news, and nothing more. It's a joke.

I love CCP, but for the first time, i'm depited by theses manipulations.

Keep 30d and 90d GTC. That's all.

abraheam
Dirty Denizens
Posted - 2008.05.23 13:17:00 - [416]
 

Edited by: abraheam on 23/05/2008 13:18:32
The "simplify the system" are the only 3 words that matter from your sentence Wrangler. I have heard them before.

RIP Creature Handler.

Confused



Locii
Posted - 2008.05.23 13:25:00 - [417]
 

Edited by: Locii on 23/05/2008 13:27:05
Europe
Cost/month* Total cost*
1-month-plan 14.95 14.95
3-month-plan 12.95 38.85
6-month-plan 11.95 71.70
12-month-plan 10.95 131.40
* VAT included


Outside Europe Cost/month Total cost
1-month-plan $ 14.95 $ 14.95
3-month-plan $ 12.95 $ 38.85
6-month-plan $ 11.95 $ 71.70
12-month-plan $ 10.95 $ 131.40

just looking at teh 131.40 figure.. $131.40 = 66.2449 131.40 = 104.4179 131.40= $207.1781(yahoo fiance).

ill be buying my accounts in $ as the rest of us in europe/uk are getting screwed

speedek
Spricer
Raiden.
Posted - 2008.05.23 13:29:00 - [418]
 

Edited by: speedek on 23/05/2008 13:32:15
14 pages of no's here, 9 pages in Assembly Hall.
(and 90% of players don't even know that yet)

Now we will see CCP's care for custumers really.

Una D
Ex Coelis
The Bantam Menace
Posted - 2008.05.23 13:31:00 - [419]
 

Originally by: Zetjur Jilnou
LOL @ The number of eternal quitters.

OH MY GOD SO MANY MORE DOLLARS, WHATEVER WILL WE DO

(Perhaps blame your government for your failing currency?)


Who do I blame when they offer me same numbers only in €? The government for not ****ing up the €? This rise has nothing to do with falling dollar and everything to do with a money grab before the game goes down the drain.

Una D
Ex Coelis
The Bantam Menace
Posted - 2008.05.23 13:32:00 - [420]
 

Originally by: CCP Wrangler
This change is being done to simplify the system and attune our product offerings with industry standards, as mentioned in the news. It does not affect any of our other payment options or subscription plans; you can read about those in the FAQ.


Could you point us to the industry standard? Plenty of games are doing 30+90 day GTCs and not a single one has these kind of prices. How stupid do you think your customers are?


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