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KangarooMan
Posted - 2008.05.23 04:05:00 - [301]
 

Edited by: KangarooMan on 23/05/2008 04:06:56
As one of the people that dosnt have the RL money to pay to play eve i am only able to play by buying ETC,s with isk now with the market that is so low in prices constaly falling lower and lower its even harder to make the isk you have to put more and more in to get alittle out not to mention stuff up by ccp banning the wrong accounts lag and game mechanics not working correctly and not to mention how long it takes to get a petitons answered much as i love eve once my accounts run out of time i will not be continuing to play its just worth putting so much time to get so little out .

Laimes Berns
Ministry of War
Posted - 2008.05.23 04:09:00 - [302]
 

Obviously, I don't have the time to read all 300 posts. The bottom line is this: as the owner of two accounts, I do not mind paying a little extra for EVE GTCs. The game is great, all issues notwithstanding. However, the flexibility of choice between different length gamecards must be kept.

Jein Lei
Federal Navy Academy
Posted - 2008.05.23 04:20:00 - [303]
 

this is a horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible greedy greedy greedy greedy greedy greedy greedy greedy greedy greedy greedy greedy greedy greedy stupid thing to do.

Bodhisattvas
0utbreak
Posted - 2008.05.23 04:29:00 - [304]
 

All this whinging is turning me on Very Happy

Carry on.

Ulviirala Vauryndar
Gallente
Vauryndar Dalharil
Posted - 2008.05.23 04:56:00 - [305]
 

Caring about customers.
You're doing it wrong!

When I read the title I thought someone came up with something cool but a minimum of 60 days for $34,99 USD, no matter what, I'm sorry but this is fail out of a sudden. I sign the whine ;)



Argyle Jones
Minmatar
Ministry of Destruction
P I R A T E S
Posted - 2008.05.23 05:07:00 - [306]
 

It's a sneaky way to do it CCP.

Raising the prices, and yes that's what you're doing, is a big issue and the least you can do is come out in the open and honestly discuss with the players that current dollar values are hurting the company and therefore you can now only pay in euro's or you're going to have to raise the prices.

Instead you offer up some weak excuse about 'conforming to industry standards' which excuse me for saying so is outright BS.

Treat your customers with the respect they deserve!

TARG AK
Caldari
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2008.05.23 05:49:00 - [307]
 

Originally by: Akelorian
Originally by: Fallorn
Our government blows right now sure but then again your's wouldn't exist if it wasn't for us in WW2. That and a massive amount of people despise of current government look at the approval ratings.


Eh? Perhaps you should read up on who won that war, and why the American's decided to fight in it, (Pearl Harbour Maybe?) The Main country's that fought in WWII were Canada/Russia/England, USA didn't want to help so the Japanese persuaded them, so don't say if it wasn't for us you wouldn't have a country. Glad your proud that you guys dropped two bombs and murdered hundreds of thousands of innocent men women and children.

Ignorant American


Bomber Harris anyone...
Please spare us your warped sense of history.
Next thing you will be spewing is that ******'s demands in 1938 were not that bad. America was behind our Euro allies from the get go and supported them economically and militarily from the get go.


El'Niaga
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2008.05.23 05:57:00 - [308]
 

Well lets look at two reasons they did this.

1. Folks paying for 30 days then not paying for 30 days to skill train for free. Yep this eliminates that option through the GTCs. You would have to pay for 60 days then off 30 then pay 60 days, off 30 etc. So it will cut down slightly on the abuse.

2. As others pointed out the USD has decreased in value against almost all other currencies in recent years, thus an increase in cost was to be expected. (We'll probably see it in subscription prices soon too :( )

Corsa d'Azur
Veto. Logistics
Posted - 2008.05.23 05:58:00 - [309]
 

Originally by: TARG AK
Bomber Harris anyone...
Please spare us your warped sense of history.
Next thing you will be spewing is that ******'s demands in 1938 were not that bad. America was behind our Euro allies from the get go and supported them economically and militarily from the get go.


The American Government supported the Europeans. American Businesses happily turned a profit and provided the industry for the European War demands. The American People remained steadfastly isolationist, many of us were still bitter about getting involved in WWI and wanted nothing to do with the war 'Continental War' except make money off of it. What America would have eventually done if Pearl Harbor hadn't occurred is up for debate. But history would be very different.

GIGAR
Caldari
Posted - 2008.05.23 05:58:00 - [310]
 

Originally by: Argyle Jones
It's a sneaky way to do it CCP.

Raising the prices, and yes that's what you're doing, is a big issue and the least you can do is come out in the open and honestly discuss with the players that current dollar values are hurting the company and therefore you can now only pay in euro's or you're going to have to raise the prices.

Instead you offer up some weak excuse about 'conforming to industry standards' which excuse me for saying so is outright BS.

Treat your customers with the respect they deserve!

Exactly.
I don't mind paying more for Eve, but I DO mind for having to pay for 60 days.
I like it the 30 day way; It's cheap every month, and you can just stop playing at anytime you want. With the 60 days... Well, you just give that statement the finger.
Sorry CCP, but you really screwed up this this time.

Reven Zero
Minmatar
Posted - 2008.05.23 06:20:00 - [311]
 

quick comment before i go back and read the rest of the thread.

If they cut the 30 and 90 day GTCs, I think they should cut the credit card options too, so a customer can only buy 2 months, then hike the prices on that as well.

After they do that lets see how many customers play when they realise they have to make a 2 month payment

Amastat
Caldari
Blue Ring Defence
Posted - 2008.05.23 06:36:00 - [312]
 

Edited by: Amastat on 23/05/2008 06:40:00
Edited by: Amastat on 23/05/2008 06:38:59
I personally don't mind paying a little more for my game time - but this personally sucks because we're now stuck with only one type of ETC - wtf?

What if I or many others are short and we need to get a code right away? Normally this is the use of 30-day codes. Now we're going to be like, "oh crap, I got two days to get a code before I can't get online - and I can't afford to get these crappy 60-days in a few days!"

Well - a lot of people probably will be saying that; I tend to plan ahead so personally that will not effect me.

I will have to pay a little extra is the bottom line - however I also will be forced to buy codes more frequently. Hopefully they aren't incredibly expensive - and I could just get 2 at a time? I hope... I really do.

It's like 400-600m for like 120-days of time right now - I would really hate to see that double. I would basically be spending in that event like 500-800m for x2 60-day codes - where I can now get 180-days for the same amount of work. It would put a serious hurting on my own character development and personal projects.

However- I would imagine that this would cause all ETC market to shift onto one type of code - therefore there would be a large supply since this is the only type of code available.

You could probably also expect at times that people will be buying these codes in bulk with credit and selling them for ISK - since, again, there is only one type of code now - all ISK buyers will be found in this section, the only section, of the ETC market. When players do this, this would drive prices down even further.

The demand would also go up though is the issue, since everyone is forced to buy just these now too.

I recommend that everyone buy the last of the 90-day codes while they last then :P

CCP better hope to god that ambulation is really f*cking good after pulling this stunt on all of us Rolling Eyes They will be making more money off of this as a corporation - so they had better put it to good use for us.

When you drive the price-of-service way up you have to make sure the buyers get their moneys worth unless you want to create a riot and/or mass subscriptions cancellations. Very Happy

This sounds like the price-of-service is going up by like probably 30-60% - that is a enormous increase. I'd better see the quality go up by those same numbers too.

Can you imagine what the 8+ million WoW idiots would do if Blizzard pushed their subscription up from 15.00 USD/month to 20.00 USD/month? Twisted Evil

stupid flanders
Planet Express LLC
Posted - 2008.05.23 06:52:00 - [313]
 

Edited by: stupid flanders on 23/05/2008 06:53:04
I think it has more to do with the euros buying gtc's on the cheap and to slow down char farmers. It's not about the $ sucking or being "fair" to some segment of the player base its more likely to just a measure to stop rampent abuse of the current system. Although it is fun to see somebody who's new to the game buy a tons of gtc's and buy a cahr that they have no idea how to use and lose expensive things because of it. Twisted Evil

Sabrina Treadehugger
Posted - 2008.05.23 07:03:00 - [314]
 

Edited by: Sabrina Treadehugger on 23/05/2008 07:03:51
Hello this dollar bussines is bs !

I can still avoid paying in euros and can have the same price with PaybyCash.

So wtf this is ******ed and abusive.

Shakuul
Caldari
RuffRyders
Axiom Empire
Posted - 2008.05.23 07:22:00 - [315]
 

Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: Shakuul
Shouldn't the tax only be on Value Added...so CCP deducts server expenses and everything before paying the tax (since these are basically inputs that they purchased)? If this is the case, I doubt the impact of the VAT is as drastic as you're making it out to be.

It's not necesarily to do with VAT at all. They've made the new GTC price in line with the european subscription price. And let's be clear, who actually relies on GTCs? There are only three types of person who buy GTCs:
- Americans with no access to a credit card etc.
- Europeans buying US codes to play on the cheap by taking advantage of the weak dollar and lack of tax.
- Someone buying them to sell for isk in-game.

The first type can now use PayByCash to pay for their subscription and normal sub rates have not changed for US residents. If they can manage to buy a game time code (e.g. through using paypal), they can almost certainly pay ther sub using PayByCash. They don't rely on GTCs at all. The second type (europeans buying cheap gtcs) shouldn't have been happening and was costing CCP a lot of lost revenue as the dollar plumetted. The third type is the only type legitimately affected by the change, but since the value of those GTCs in isk depends roughly on their cost in dollars, the effect is that people selling GTCS for isk will see little change but those buying them will.

People buying gtcs for isk are thus the only group severely affected by the change and to be clear, I'm part of that group and am not too annoyed by the change. In light of my increasing isk costs, I might let one of my accounts lapse or sell the main char on it and cancel it but I haven't decided yet.


Good post Very Happy

I was in group 3 so I was a little annoyed. I guess on the positive side, CCP will have more money to make us bigger better internet spaceships, in which case maybe I'll keep my third account...and if it makes enough money...get a 4th.

LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
Posted - 2008.05.23 07:24:00 - [316]
 

I posted this over on the CSM forum, but I thought it was interesting for this thread, as well.

Basically I took all the "major" games, listed at shattered crystal. Here are the game time cards, sold for each game.

City of Heroes: 15, 30 and 60 day timecards
Same for City Of Vilians
D&D Online: 60 days
Dungeon runners: 15, 30, 60
EQ: 30, 90
EQ2: 30, 90
Lineage 2: 15, 30, 60
LOTRO: 60
Matrix Online: 30, 90
POTBS: 30
Planetside: 30, 90
SWG: 30, 90
Tabula Rasa: 15, 30, 60
Ultima Online: 30, 90, 180
Vanguard: 30, 90
WoW: 60

The games highlighted, are the ones which only provide one type of GTC.
These are also some of the more commercial games.

I understand if CCP needs to change something. But don't mess with the options that players have.

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2008.05.23 07:27:00 - [317]
 

if anything what would be wrong with 30 day and 60 day?

I mean come on CCP sometimes people only want to play for a month.

Kalintos Tyl
Minmatar
Bloody Amarr's
Posted - 2008.05.23 07:30:00 - [318]
 

If i move to live in usa. why will i have to pay with euro still after moving? Becosue i made account in europe?

Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
Posted - 2008.05.23 07:41:00 - [319]
 

Edited by: Kuolematon on 23/05/2008 07:42:58
Whaaaaaaat?! You removed my VAT evasion hole? Shame on you! *shakes fist*

Now I have to stockpile crapload of 90D GTC's and flood my accounts with cheap dollah for this. Dammit you CCP. My Visa bill gonna climb ALOT! Evil or Very Mad

Addenium: One thing is good about this thou .. I forsee character prices to fall ALOT! Twisted Evil

Messerschmitt facility
Amarr
Posted - 2008.05.23 07:43:00 - [320]
 

I live in Europe but because my CC is made on US dollars I get charged in US dollars :P

Ms BadAss
Posted - 2008.05.23 07:51:00 - [321]
 

11 pages so far and no ccp reply..........need i say any more! same old BS

Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2008.05.23 07:54:00 - [322]
 

may 2008 - when ccp nerfed gtc-isk

**** yeah

Una D
Ex Coelis
The Bantam Menace
Posted - 2008.05.23 07:57:00 - [323]
 

Originally by: Ms BadAss
11 pages so far and no ccp reply..........need i say any more! same old BS


Kinda what you would expect from CCP. It's their standard way of handling things. Everything from t20 to bug and exploit is handled the same way. I truly hope another game similar to eve comes along as this is getting insulting.

At least we will have industry leading prices so we can brag around how stupid we are paying more than anyone else...

Princess Gally
Posted - 2008.05.23 08:09:00 - [324]
 

Originally by: El'Niaga
Well lets look at two reasons they did this.

1. Folks paying for 30 days then not paying for 30 days to skill train for free. Yep this eliminates that option through the GTCs. You would have to pay for 60 days then off 30 then pay 60 days, off 30 etc. So it will cut down slightly on the abuse.



Off-training is an abuse? Says who?
WHERE did you see a dev saying it's an abuse, I'd like to read the post with the blue bars because what you think, I don't care.

Imo CCP realise a lot of europeans use US 30d GTC because it's damn cheap and want to make them use CC subscription.

And CCP IS NOT closing the "GTC loophole" people. To end that they would have to remove completely the GTC system. But they must have estimate they would lose too many customers.

J'Mkarr Soban
Posted - 2008.05.23 08:12:00 - [325]
 

I am very very against this. Were your letter physical, I would sign it to show my support.

Heroldyn
Posted - 2008.05.23 08:13:00 - [326]
 

GO CSM, go ! Very HappyVery Happy

*me runs away


AntonioBanderas
Empirius Enigmus Navy
C0NVICTED
Posted - 2008.05.23 08:13:00 - [327]
 

werw there any official ccp response on this thread?
The thread is way to long to read and i've skimmed through it and the message is same everywhere.

but gentleman (and ladies), we are addicted, and you should get used to the fact that your dealers will yank you around.

and my view? pathetic, dissapointing.
but that's our ccp so i'm not really surprised

Kaian Voskhod
Posted - 2008.05.23 08:14:00 - [328]
 

Edited by: Kaian Voskhod on 23/05/2008 08:15:46
**** YOU CCP

I LL TRASH MY CHARACTERS AGAINST SOME MONEY (isk?!)

LAG + UNBALANCE + ****TY CHANGES + WTF AMBULATION, and then that ?!

If you do it, yo loose 3 account.

BYE !

Garia666
Amarr
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
Xenon-Empire
Posted - 2008.05.23 08:15:00 - [329]
 

CCP made some calculations to gain more PROFFIT.

Admiral Nova
Strike Team Nova
Posted - 2008.05.23 08:19:00 - [330]
 

$39 for 90 days changed to $35 for 60 days.

Basically a 35% price increase, nothing at all to do with changing the format to bring it inline. smooth.


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