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Sindahl McHaggis
Posted - 2008.05.22 15:58:00 - [61]

i agree with the OP.

Posted - 2008.05.22 16:00:00 - [62]

I support this.

Now being in agreement with a Goonswarm motion makes we want to jump from a really high building. brb

Bane Glorious
Ministry of War

Posted - 2008.05.22 16:12:00 - [63]

I don't think there are any council members necessarily against this proposal (except possibly Hardin), but either way it's necessary to talk about it at the CSM.

Siona Windweaver
Placeholder Holdings
Posted - 2008.05.22 16:14:00 - [64]

Edited by: Siona Windweaver on 22/05/2008 16:23:47
Originally by: Yorda

Clearly a module that creates a cyno between two points should work next to a module that prevents cynos from being made. This makes perfect RP sense.

Problem is, there isnt enough info at this point to make "perfect" RP sense. You can make up RP point along the way for practicaly anyhing. I mentioned RP because current system also has a logical RP point, since i think i cought a little hint of RP in OP.

As a game mechanic, i dont think a change is required. Honestly, capitals are under-used as it is, this will only make defending a system harder, and will make capital ships more useless, more susceptible to large blobs.

On a side note, this also makes attacks harder, maybe harder than it should be, on that i agree with OP, but changing cyno jammer mechanic completely is overkill in my opinion.

Maybe add a ship that can counter jam cyno jammers? Razz

Galactic Overlord
The Fantastically Pantless Sporkmen

Posted - 2008.05.22 16:16:00 - [65]

From what I've seen, goons are the only ones that have actually been able to legitimately test this mechanic fully on the field of battle, therefore they should know what they are talking about.

Waterfowl Democracy
The Ministry of Indigenous Affairs
Posted - 2008.05.22 16:17:00 - [66]

Addressing Points:
"what's to stop people holding capitals in that system?"

Nothing. However, without the jumpbridges as a means of transport from cyno jammed system to cynojammed system the attackers can choose to attack a DIFFERENT cynojammed system.

"capitals are trapped in the cynojammed system"

Actually under current mechanics any capital ship can cyno OUT of a cynojammed (or highsec system), the cynojammer only stops the opening of incoming cynos.

Posted - 2008.05.22 16:18:00 - [67]

At the very least supercapitals shouldn't be able to use jump bridges. Full support.

Posted - 2008.05.22 16:41:00 - [68]

Originally by: Galactic Overlord
From what I've seen, goons are the only ones that have actually been able to legitimately test this mechanic fully on the field of battle, therefore they should know what they are talking about.

Goon alt post spotted.

Agreein wit da op ITT.

Posted - 2008.05.22 16:46:00 - [69]

posting to support.

agent apple
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.05.22 16:48:00 - [70]

get rid of both full stop, their both crap

Amusing Name
Federal Navy Academy

Posted - 2008.05.22 16:51:00 - [71]


Posted - 2008.05.22 16:53:00 - [72]

Posting to agree with the OP

The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2008.05.22 16:57:00 - [73]

Edited by: xRazoRx on 22/05/2008 16:59:53

Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.05.22 17:03:00 - [74]

Yes... One of many issues that need addressing. Nice we're given many toys by CCP, but a shame they aren't playtested thoroughly to catch these things.

Vio Geraci
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.05.22 17:09:00 - [75]

I agree.

Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.05.22 17:14:00 - [76]

My name is RDevz, and I approve of this message.

Posted - 2008.05.22 17:15:00 - [77]

Jump bridges shouldn't work in cyno jammed systems period.

Posted - 2008.05.22 17:21:00 - [78]

Alas, we need to poast to indicate our support.

Kis Kecheri
School of Applied Knowledge

Posted - 2008.05.22 17:22:00 - [79]


Will Hunter
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.05.22 17:24:00 - [80]

Originally by: Swamp Ziro
i am downs

Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.05.22 17:26:00 - [81]


Mystic Twilight
Posted - 2008.05.22 17:27:00 - [82]

I endorse the above product and/or service

Incompertus INC
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2008.05.22 17:29:00 - [83]

I agree with the OP.

If a system is cyno jammed no hostile caps through any means should be able too get in.

The Black Light Foundation

Posted - 2008.05.22 17:33:00 - [84]

I agree, the only way to get caps in a cyno jammed system is to have them there before the system is jammed.

Herschel Yamamoto
Nabaal Syndicate
Posted - 2008.05.22 17:33:00 - [85]

I don't know what the correct way to fix this interaction is(though I have an idea), but the current system sucks.

Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.05.22 17:36:00 - [86]

poasting in a checkbox poll on eve-o *_*

Myk Taison
Unknown Force
Posted - 2008.05.22 17:41:00 - [87]

yo i agree

Draygo Korvan
Merch Industrial
Posted - 2008.05.22 17:49:00 - [88]

Originally by: Jade Constantine
Edited by: Jade Constantine on 22/05/2008 15:26:15

Well yes, in order to FORCE an issue into formal CSM discussion you need X amount of support. But in order to convince a CSM representative to take up and advocate the issue for formal CSM voting to the agenda you simply need to make some good arguments and have a public discussion for seven days.

Anyways on this issue of course yes. It makes no sense that you can jump bridge capitals into a cyno-jammed system.

Quoting this, and going to reword it just a bit. It makes sense to jump bridge certain capitals into systems, but only capitals that can use normal system gates (freighters/JF's). CCP sees frieghters as capitals currently.

Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles

Posted - 2008.05.22 18:03:00 - [89]

Makes sense to me.

Tetona Mendoza
Posted - 2008.05.22 18:16:00 - [90]

makes sense

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