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K'tar Amok
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2008.05.20 17:16:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: K''tar Amok on 20/05/2008 17:19:00
I can't believe what I've been reading about FW and how it is going to work.

I've been playing EVE for less than a year and all this time I've heard and read that EVE is an MMO, that you should join a corp instead of going solo because that's how EVE is at its best. Well, I finally joined a corp and now that the new expansion comes out it turn I can not take part of FW because i am in a frigging corp!! Mad

What an idiotic decision was to implement FW in such a way that the vast majority of the people it is aimed at (those in empire high-sec who have not yet tried PvP) can not take part of it without leaving the corp they are in!!

The worst part is that CCP feels comfortable because they validated this with 20 alliance hardcore players in last year's fan fest. Well, you asked the wrong people about it!!

How hard could it be to allow alliance and corps take part that are not claiming sovereignty in 0.0?

How coooool it would have been to be able to join with the guys you play day in and day out a little skirmish for your faction!

I still can't believe how you could screw it up this big! Crying or Very sad

TheG2
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2008.05.20 17:19:00 - [2]
 

You fail.

Corps can join the war, however corps within alliances can't. Its very simple.

Bish Ounen
Gallente
Best Path Inc.
Cult of War
Posted - 2008.05.20 17:19:00 - [3]
 

My understanding is that you CAN still play, even if you are in a corp, provided you have no corp roles. Also, your corp can join the Factional Alliance, and then everybody in the corp can join in. It's just existing Alliances that are left out. Feel free to go read the dev blogs. They have all the info.

Cailais
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
Posted - 2008.05.20 17:20:00 - [4]
 

Post in the correct thread noob.

C.


K'tar Amok
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2008.05.20 17:20:00 - [5]
 

I did, I am in an alliance with no claims in low-sec, only 4 carebear corps. Still can not play and still not seeing why.

Bish Ounen
Gallente
Best Path Inc.
Cult of War
Posted - 2008.05.20 17:22:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: K'tar Amok
I did, I am in an alliance with no claims in low-sec, only 4 carebear corps. Still can not play and still not seeing why.


and still not reading the relevant Dev Blogs. Go read the blogs, they explain everything.

Unless you are just trying to troll, in which case: BEGONE!

Ezekiel Sulastin
Gallente
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2008.05.20 17:22:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: K'tar Amok
Edited by: K''tar Amok on 20/05/2008 17:19:00
I can't believe what I've been reading about FW and how it is going to work.

I've been playing EVE for less than a year and all this time I've heard and read that EVE is an MMO, that you should join a corp instead of going solo because that's how EVE is at its best. Well, I finally joined a corp and now that the new expansion comes out it turn I can not take part of FW because i am in a frigging corp!! Mad

What an idiotic decision was to implement FW in such a way that the vast majority of the people it is aimed at (those in empire high-sec who have not yet tried PvP) can not take part of it without leaving the corp they are in!!

The worst part is that CCP feels comfortable because they validated this with 20 alliance hardcore players in last year's fan fest. Well, you asked the wrong people about it!!

How hard could it be to allow alliance and corps take part that are not claiming sovereignty in 0.0?

How coooool it would have been to be able to join with the guys you play day in and day out a little skirmish for your faction!

I still can't believe how you could screw it up this big! Crying or Very sad


... ORRR you get your corp with all your friends to join a faction. Or you get a bunch of your friends to join the NPC Militia corp with you.

And for God's sake learn to read! The way the system is set up is to prevent large 0.0 entities from joining. Corporations can still join. Individuals can still join. Whole alliances can't - unless they break into corps first.

Marlenus
Ironfleet Towing And Salvage
Posted - 2008.05.20 18:55:00 - [8]
 

From the title I thought this was going to be a joke thread. ugh

Emperor D'Hoffryn
EXTERMINATUS.
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2008.05.20 18:58:00 - [9]
 

likely troll is likely

however, how about this:

since your alliance lives in lowsec and claims no sov, it serves no real purpose other than to cost you isk. Disband that Alliance, and create a megacorp of the same name. disband your 4 existing corps, and move everyone into the mega corp. Have the mega corp join FW.

Solved, plus I just improved your internal logistics and organization.

soldieroffortune 258
Gallente
Tribal Liberation Force
Posted - 2008.05.20 19:07:00 - [10]
 

yeah, you need to do a little more research man, if you do, you will find out that you can still take part in faction warfare. Either A: your corp can join the war as a whole, B: you can leave your corp and sign up for a militia, or C: you can stay in your corp, and you can still join Faction warfare gangs and fleets and still take part, far as i see, the only thing you would be missing out on is the faction missions. think about it, whenever you join a fleet, it gives you that message that if this person is at war you automatically become a war target, and then just have to wait for them to shoot you before you shoot back, and BAM your in faciton warfare, and in gangs and fleets and such, you can also still take part in taking over systems in low sec, just join a fleet that is doing it.

do a little more research before you go ranting next time plzCool

Jack Gilligan
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.05.20 19:10:00 - [11]
 

A whole expansion of stuff I can't do unless I abandon everyone I play EVE with.

Pure genius.


Havohej
Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics
Posted - 2008.05.20 19:13:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Jack Gilligan
A whole expansion of stuff I can't do unless I abandon everyone I play EVE with.

Pure genius.




It's okay, Jack - us 0.0 alliance types are the minority, after all.

Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.05.20 19:18:00 - [13]
 

Someone needs to explain how being in the newly-labeled "end game" of EVE rewards us with being left out of a whole expansion's worth of content.

Venkul Mul
Gallente
Posted - 2008.05.20 19:27:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Winterblink
Someone needs to explain how being in the newly-labeled "end game" of EVE rewards us with being left out of a whole expansion's worth of content.



The day you can explain to me why not being in the same "end game" of EVE has cut me from several expansion worth of content (in reality is was definite as 0.0 end game, i.e. the end game for those interested in 0.0, not for all of the EVE players).

Jack Gilligan
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.05.20 19:29:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Winterblink
Someone needs to explain how being in the newly-labeled "end game" of EVE rewards us with being left out of a whole expansion's worth of content.



This is a question that the Devs will never answer.

But they should.

The CSM will prove right off the bat whether it's worth anything at all if they pound this issue from the get go.

Havohej
Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics
Posted - 2008.05.20 20:02:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Venkul Mul
Originally by: Winterblink
Someone needs to explain how being in the newly-labeled "end game" of EVE rewards us with being left out of a whole expansion's worth of content.



The day you can explain to me why not being in the same "end game" of EVE has cut me from several expansion worth of content (in reality is was definite as 0.0 end game, i.e. the end game for those interested in 0.0, not for all of the EVE players).


I'll explain it for Winterblink, if he doesn't mind.

Fact is, Venkul, yuo haven't been 'cut out' from several expansions worth of content (like the addition of the Drone regions). You cut yourself out by not participating in it - you CHOSE to not join a corporation that's in an alliance that is in 0.0 and experiencing the 0.0 game. YOU chose, with all three options set out before you (highsec, lowsec, 0.0). When new 0.0 content was added, CCP did not tell you "Venkul Mul, you can not participate in this because you're in a corporation that doesn't want to do this as a whole. Or an alliance." You could've gone out there solo, looking for fun, friends or trouble. People come through our space solo all the time, some die, some get an easy gank, some just manage to squeeze on through leaving no ripples in their wake.

However, CCP HAS told us the we may not participate. I'm the CEO of my corporation. Michael Corinthos is my alt, if anyone bothers to look it up in-game, though I doubt anyone cares. My corp is made up of Minmatar, Caldari, Gallente and Amarr players. We're also in an alliance with access to excellent ore with which our industrial wing is maintaining wonderful income and we're about to start supplying ships to our members at greatly reduced costs (i.e.: 1/3 the normal cost for any T1 ship, from Rifter to Rokh; at first, later they'll be free).

Even IF I pulled DFIAS out of our alliance to put the whole corporation into FW, which would mean losing our 0.0 access and thereby losing our industry wing's mining space (and with it, our ability to produce ships at the rate we are), the corporation's progress as we've laid it out would be crippled.

Even IF I pulled DFIAS out of our alliance, I know that everybody wouldn't want to fight for just one single faction. I wouldn't get my Caldari mates to fight for the Republic any more than I could get my Gallente mates to fight for the Empire. So the whole 'join militia as a corp' doesn't work for us any more than strip all your roles and join as an individual would.

Stripping the roles from corp members means they don't have access to ships, drones, ammunition or modules from the corp hangars, nor are they able to look into the other hangars to make requests. Stripping my own roles is just impossible.

We, like many other people, have been excluded. Yeah, I'll be hanging out in lowsec trying to gank everybody I can, but it won't be the same as actually being allowed to participate in it without giving up everything I've spent the last 6 months building.

Pardack
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.05.20 20:25:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Havohej
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhh...


Cry me a river.

Now YOU have a CHOICE to make. You can play your little alliance games OR you can do FW. You DO have a choice, you just don't like the options. Nothing is stopping you from engaging in FW, except yourself.

Zero sympathy.



Disteeler
Perkone
Posted - 2008.05.20 20:29:00 - [18]
 

OP obvious fail is obvious

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2008.05.20 20:38:00 - [19]
 

sorry but not everyone can just join an allaince. ]

don't tell me they can, they can't you need to have so much SP you need friends, connections.

thus many expansions have left out aq lot of players. such as cap ships leaving out newer players.

This expansion just happens to say instead of

"you've only been player for 1 year sorry you can't use this expansion"

or

"sorry your computer isn't good enough, you can't use the graphics update"

now it's

"you've been playing too long you can't use this expansion"

however unlike the 1st two you CAN use FW, in fact FW is one of the easist expansion to get into ever. it's not heat with a SP reqirement, a new ship, new space, whatever, for once all you have to do is make a choice.

so in fact FW is the easiest to get into.

Havohej
Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics
Posted - 2008.05.20 20:49:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Pardack
Originally by: Havohej
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhh...


Cry me a river.

Now YOU have a CHOICE to make. You can play your little alliance games OR you can do FW. You DO have a choice, you just don't like the options. Nothing is stopping you from engaging in FW, except yourself.

Zero sympathy.





This from somebody in a corp and alliance that mean nothing except free highsec pewpew. Your opinion carries no weight.

Havohej
Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics
Posted - 2008.05.20 20:51:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: MotherMoon
sorry but not everyone can just join an allaince. ]

don't tell me they can, they can't you need to have so much SP you need friends, connections.

thus many expansions have left out aq lot of players. such as cap ships leaving out newer players.

This expansion just happens to say instead of

"you've only been player for 1 year sorry you can't use this expansion"

or

"sorry your computer isn't good enough, you can't use the graphics update"

now it's

"you've been playing too long you can't use this expansion"

however unlike the 1st two you CAN use FW, in fact FW is one of the easist expansion to get into ever. it's not heat with a SP reqirement, a new ship, new space, whatever, for once all you have to do is make a choice.

so in fact FW is the easiest to get into.


SP isn't a "Join Any Alliance Now" button - there are plenty of noobs in 0.0 and lowsec.

Are YOU leaving Huang Yinglong for FW? Or is Huang Yinglong leaving FDN for FW?

Torze
Legion Of The Void
Posted - 2008.05.20 21:08:00 - [22]
 

If you've played Eve for any significant amount of time then you realize that Eve is about CHOICES. We can choose to be an Empire Carebear or a Nullsec alliance pvp'er. We can choose to be a pirate, miner, politician, trader, and even a whiner (just read the forums).

Factional warfare is being implented to help bring PvP content to a larger percentage of Eve. To allow people to get their feet wet. Some people will love this so much that they will just do this all the time (think battlegrounds in DAOC) others will try it and not like it. Still others will try it and think..I want to go on to bigger and better things.

If you want to take part in Factional Warfare and do not want to leave your corp...then unless your corp chooses to enter it..then you are SOL. Understand though, you are SOL not because CCP made it so but, because you chose with staying with your corp instead of checking out FW. See, choices. I'm sure if you decided to go check out FW your corpmates will understand and let you back into the corp when and or if you ever decide to. Just think of it like this. If you are in FW then really you are working for a faction and not for a PC corp anyway. You are CHOOSING your allegience.

At anyrate, I think FW is a great idea. It really does allow noobs to meet new players, get into some skirmishes, and have fun. This game is very hard on noobies, always has been. I firmly believe that Eve will be a far better game because of FW and also think that you'll see newer and competitive corps arise more frequently do to people meeting and working together in FW.

Dirk Magnum
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
Posted - 2008.05.20 21:42:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Havohej
Originally by: Pardack
Originally by: Havohej
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhh...


Cry me a river.

Now YOU have a CHOICE to make. You can play your little alliance games OR you can do FW. You DO have a choice, you just don't like the options. Nothing is stopping you from engaging in FW, except yourself.

Zero sympathy.





This from somebody in a corp and alliance that mean nothing except free highsec pewpew. Your opinion carries no weight.


FW also means free pew pew. Just sayin.

K'tar Amok
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2008.05.20 21:43:00 - [24]
 

It is not about choosing this or that.

CCP suddenly puts out an expansion that forces you to through away months of play time you spent building a character because they want to encourage PvP. After playing and building skills with my main I have to now choose either to give up all that time or give up all the time invested in a character/corp/alliance to be able to have access to the new "expansion"?

This is the crux of the matter. This is what sucks.
That we now, to enjoy the new "expansion", have to go back to square one and give up all the time we put on our characters/corps/alliances and create an ALT??

(BTW, do you know why they are called MAIN vs ALTs)?

Havohej
Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics
Posted - 2008.05.20 21:51:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Dirk Magnum


FW also means free pew pew. Just sayin.


This is true - however, my reason for pointing out that his being in RvB is a discredit to his opinion in this thread was that he doesn't have to leave a corp or alliance that is actually trying to achieve something in order to participate in FW. You lose nothing by leaving RvB. If I were to leave DFIAS, I lose 6 months of work and billions of ISK in assets ('cause I'm not a corpthief). It's apples and oranges.

Ghengis Tia
Posted - 2008.05.20 22:04:00 - [26]
 

Maybe this is an effort to lure newer players away from their exploitive corporations? That's a reach I guess...

Since I've been in Eve the emphasis is to join corporations. Now individuals are being forced to choose either their corp or FW.

Are most corporations comprised of the same faction, thus having the corp joining a militia a mere formality? I think not, as diversity is integral to Eve, me thinks.

Does anyone think this is a weakening of the corporate culture of Eve? The passions ignited by this whole expansion seem out of character for the Eve universe.

I, for one, am really on the fence regarding FW.


Bad Harlequin
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2008.05.20 22:08:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Ghengis Tia
Since I've been in Eve the emphasis is to join corporations. Now individuals are being forced to choose either their corp or FW.

Am i missing something here? I thought corporations could join Factions, it's Alliances that can't? Has something changed or is this chap even more confused than I am at 6 AM Monday morning..?

I'd also like to point out he isn't one of the longstanding RP alliance folks, okay? Laughing

Madscience
Posted - 2008.05.20 22:11:00 - [28]
 

Edited by: Madscience on 20/05/2008 22:11:46
Epic failure Very Happy

Jill Antaris
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2008.05.20 22:20:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: Jill Antaris on 20/05/2008 22:20:59
Edited by: Jill Antaris on 20/05/2008 22:20:45
So mutch fail here.

FW is designed to bring small Corps and solo Players into PVP. It is still PVP, with a bit more controll. I realy donīt get it when big alliances(beside RP aspects like CVA) are so interested in it. It is still PVP, a diffrent kind of PVP but still PVP that you can do anywhere even without FW. Rolling Eyes

Venkul Mul
Gallente
Posted - 2008.05.20 22:20:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Havohej
Originally by: Venkul Mul
Originally by: Winterblink
Someone needs to explain how being in the newly-labeled "end game" of EVE rewards us with being left out of a whole expansion's worth of content.



The day you can explain to me why not being in the same "end game" of EVE has cut me from several expansion worth of content (in reality is was definite as 0.0 end game, i.e. the end game for those interested in 0.0, not for all of the EVE players).


I'll explain it for Winterblink, if he doesn't mind.

Fact is, Venkul, yuo haven't been 'cut out' from several expansions worth of content (like the addition of the Drone regions). You cut yourself out by not participating in it - you CHOSE to not join a corporation that's in an alliance that is in 0.0 and experiencing the 0.0 game. YOU chose, with all three options set out before you (highsec, lowsec, 0.0). When new 0.0 content was added, CCP did not tell you "Venkul Mul, you can not participate in this because you're in a corporation that doesn't want to do this as a whole. Or an alliance." You could've gone out there solo, looking for fun, friends or trouble. People come through our space solo all the time, some die, some get an easy gank, some just manage to squeeze on through leaving no ripples in their wake.




So I CHOOSE while you are FORCED? Sorry but for me you are choosing not to renounce to something (like I choose not to renounce to something to enter in a 0.0 alliance). For you the cost of FW is too high, for other people the cost of 0.0 is too high. It is simple question of choosing what you want to pay and what not.

You want a 0 cost option to enter FW. What would be your reaction if I was saying "0.0 access is too costly, I pretend another, easier, form of access"? (I know, plenty of people saying that, as there is plenty of people saying that FW access should be at 0 cost, both wrong).


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