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ShootBlues
Aliastra
Posted - 2008.05.19 11:10:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Semkhet
Originally by: Serenity Steele
Originally by: Omber Zombie
should have done it aussie style - everyone has to vote, even if it's to abstain.


I agree, although I'm possibly slightly biased being a fellow Aussie.

The only problem with that system was the fine was AUD$50 if you didn't vote, so when I was travelling during election time, I used to pay my brother AUD$50 to go vote on my behalf to save the fine and the hassle of postal voting. Wink


Retorsion against potential non voters simply translates into increasing the number of registered votes at the price of the pertinence of the voting results since ppl end voting out of their butts. There are a number of countries which indeed implement fines if you don't go to vote and control carefully the ID of the voter. Argentina is one of them IIRC. Unfortunately this concept doesn't solve the problems of political corruption by a single iota...

After all, humans are humans, and when you tempt the devil, well, that's what you get in return Wink


So, uh, how would you rather do it?

Serenity Steele
Dynamic Data Distribution
Posted - 2008.05.19 11:21:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Serenity Steele
Originally by: Omber Zombie
should have done it aussie style - everyone has to vote, even if it's to abstain.


I agree, although I'm possibly slightly biased being a fellow Aussie.

The only problem with that system was the fine was AUD$50 if you didn't vote, so when I was travelling during election time, I used to pay my brother AUD$50 to go vote on my behalf to save the fine and the hassle of postal voting. Wink


Originally by: Semkhet
Retorsion against potential non voters simply translates into increasing the number of registered votes at the price of the pertinence of the voting results since ppl end voting out of their butts. There are a number of countries which indeed implement fines if you don't go to vote and control carefully the ID of the voter. Argentina is one of them IIRC. Unfortunately this concept doesn't solve the problems of political corruption by a single iota...

After all, humans are humans, and when you tempt the devil, well, that's what you get in return Wink


You got any facts to back that up, or are you just stating an opinion?

I understand why the statements you make about RL politics, but IMO; I seriously wonder if all the reasons RL politics have evolved the way they do, are a relevant comparison for 'politics' within EVE.

Particularly given a representative council that;
- Does not have decision making power and only has recommendation power
- Is effectively volunteer
- Has limited ability to leverage RL value from participation
- Is in an MMO where the rules can be changed by CCP at anytime it's looking stodgey.

Hell, it's meant to increase efficiency of issues reaching CCP, not to provide a salary to politicians.




Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2008.05.19 13:33:00 - [33]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 19/05/2008 13:33:34
Originally by: Omber Zombie
should have done it aussie style - everyone has to vote, even if it's to abstain.

Wait... wait... you guys in Australia have an "abstain" option on the ballot, and everybody HAS to vote ?
Shocked
YOU GUYS ROCK !

Seriously, it's like, THE only reasonable thing to do with an election Laughing

Darius JOHNSON
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.05.19 14:21:00 - [34]
 

HANGING CHADS!! RL POLITICS! LET'S DEBATE THE FINER POINTS OF VARIOUS DEMOCRATIC SYSTEMS!

SWEDEN'S IS THE BEST!

AUSTRALIA'S IS THE BEST!

NO MINE IS!!!

RARRRRR RABBLE RABBLE NERD RAGE MY RIGHTS!

Omber Zombie
Gallente
Frontier Technologies
Posted - 2008.05.19 14:33:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Darius JOHNSON
HANGING CHADS!! RL POLITICS! LET'S DEBATE THE FINER POINTS OF VARIOUS DEMOCRATIC SYSTEMS!

SWEDEN'S IS THE BEST!

AUSTRALIA'S IS THE BEST!

NO MINE IS!!!

RARRRRR RABBLE RABBLE NERD RAGE MY RIGHTS!


^^lmao

my point was that at least if we used a compulsory voting system, more people might actually have taken notice of this or become interested.

and as for the abstain option in the Aussie political system - there's not actual 'abstain' you can choose, but you can fill out a form incorrectly to make your vote not count. It's not illegal to do so and commonly referred to as a Donkey Vote.

Serenity Steele
Dynamic Data Distribution
Posted - 2008.05.19 14:36:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Omber Zombie

my point was that at least if we used a compulsory voting system, more people might actually have taken notice of this or become interested.

and as for the abstain option in the Aussie political system - there's not actual 'abstain' you can choose, but you can fill out a form incorrectly to make your vote not count. It's not illegal to do so and commonly referred to as a Donkey Vote.


Well there ya go, adding an abstain option would be an area to improve on existing RL systems Smile

Goumindong
SniggWaffe
Posted - 2008.05.19 14:37:00 - [37]
 

If you use a compulsory system the people who get involved because of it will be more likely to vote without consideration which will skew the results towards the people who like to blow sunshine up your ass.

Omber Zombie
Gallente
Frontier Technologies
Posted - 2008.05.19 15:08:00 - [38]
 

i like sunshine, i'm a carebear ugh

Avalira
Caldari
The Black Light Foundation
Posted - 2008.05.19 17:09:00 - [39]
 

BIG should hold a quick gamble to see who's the winner...

CCP Xhagen

Posted - 2008.05.19 17:27:00 - [40]
 

There are just a little bit over 6 hours of voting time left.

I will inform all the candidates of the results before making them public, it should happen in less than 24 hours.

I did send an e-mail to all candidates when the processing was done, please make sure that your spam filters (like on yahoo.com or hotmail.com don't swallow the mails).

BillyBong2
Amarr
3OO
WE FORM VOLTRON
Posted - 2008.05.19 17:42:00 - [41]
 

Good luck to all involved.

Max Torps
Nomadic Conglomerate
Posted - 2008.05.19 17:54:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Inanna Zuni
To those asking for a recount: CSM elections are planned to take place every six months ;-0

To those who have voted for me: Thank you!

To those who voted for other candidates: Thank you!

To those who think this won't work: Shame on you for not having confidence in anyone, including yourself! Just as with PvP, if you don't try you can't succeed; if you go into a fight thinking you will lose you will do just that.

To the other candidates: Good luck and may the best representatives win ;-P

IZ



I echo Innana's words. Good luck everyone and thank you to everyone who participated.


Vote for me here
Candidate thread here
Website here




TornSoul
BIG
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2008.05.19 23:54:00 - [43]
 

The number I'm most anxiously waiting for, even beating if I'll get elected or not, is the total number of votes cast...

Seeing the post read counts in this forum makes me worry a bit...

/fingers crossed (for a high total of votes cast)


Proteus Doctorow
Gallente
University of Caille
Posted - 2008.05.20 00:35:00 - [44]
 

Ms. Zuni has my support for the CSM. Zuni is the best hope for anyone who feels that something more than a simple game exists inside this star cluster. As we all wait for results, it is my hope that whether or not Zuni has been elected, she will continue to fight for the concerns of her supporters.

Null sec corporate and alliance concerns will certainly receive some portion of representation. We can only hope that high-sec politics, industry, faction, and matters regarding content receive a fair share of representation as well. Both are important and depend on one another in so many ways.

LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
Posted - 2008.05.20 12:58:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: CCP Xhagen

I will inform all the candidates of the results before making them public, it should happen in less than 24 hours.

You are keeping us waiting. I haven't gone to the toilet since you said that, as I'm just so excited, waiting for the result.

Don't keep me waiting *Does a funny move, looking towards the toilet*

DasDizzy
Beyond Divinity Inc
Posted - 2008.05.20 12:59:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: CCP Xhagen

I will inform all the candidates of the results before making them public, it should happen in less than 24 hours.

You are keeping us waiting. I haven't gone to the toilet since you said that, as I'm just so excited, waiting for the result.

Don't keep me waiting *Does a funny move, looking towards the toilet*


The laptops, use them.

LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
Posted - 2008.05.20 13:06:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: DasDizzy
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: CCP Xhagen

I will inform all the candidates of the results before making them public, it should happen in less than 24 hours.

You are keeping us waiting. I haven't gone to the toilet since you said that, as I'm just so excited, waiting for the result.

Don't keep me waiting *Does a funny move, looking towards the toilet*


The laptops, use them.

That would require me to go grab my laptop Razz

Omber Zombie
Gallente
Frontier Technologies
Posted - 2008.05.20 13:34:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: LaVista Vista

That would require me to go grab my laptop Razz


probably better for your health than what you are grabbing at the moment Razz

Venkul Mul
Gallente
Posted - 2008.05.20 13:41:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 19/05/2008 08:17:55

Polls, polls ! Let's pay blackjack-a-ballot Twisted Evil
I'm betting.... 38572 votes total !

Not-so-stealth edit : make that non-abstain votes.



I make it 25278.

Venkul Mul
Gallente
Posted - 2008.05.20 13:46:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: ShootBlues

Your idea of how they should poll is like abolishing local and state governments and have a only a federal government run and entire country.


A bit USA centric. Most of the rest of the world live with only 1 level of government with true powers. Regional governments in other countries are very different from state government in the USA.

Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Posted - 2008.05.20 15:57:00 - [51]
 

Tick tock.

Avalira
Caldari
The Black Light Foundation
Posted - 2008.05.20 16:06:00 - [52]
 

Edited by: Avalira on 20/05/2008 16:16:34
Just got an email from CCP, the results can be seen here:

http://www.eve-online.com/CSM/results.asp

Note: the above won't work for those with the Firefox linkification plugin.

Edit: If the above link does't work you can get it here:
http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/results.jpg

LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
Posted - 2008.05.20 16:07:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Avalira
Just got an email from CCP, the results can be seen here:

http://www.eve-online.com/CSM/results.asp

Note: the above won't work for those with the Firefox linkification plugin.

I c whut U did thar Very Happy

Avalira
Caldari
The Black Light Foundation
Posted - 2008.05.20 16:13:00 - [54]
 

Edited by: Avalira on 20/05/2008 16:17:17
hehe, just feel like pulling people's legs while I can. Mind you I almost made that a rickroll but opted for something more evil Twisted Evil.

Edit: being bored I went for the double wammy Laughing.

Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
Perditus Peregrinus
Posted - 2008.05.20 18:58:00 - [55]
 

You guys forget about alts or something.

60k votes. I will bet 60k.

Kolmogorow
Freedom Resources
Posted - 2008.05.20 21:44:00 - [56]
 

Hidden reserve of minimum votes (something like 500 or so) not met, election invalid ... I guess ...

Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Posted - 2008.05.20 22:02:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Kolmogorow
Hidden reserve of minimum votes (something like 500 or so) not met, election invalid ... I guess ...



Sweeping a goon, let alone six of them, under a rug is a full days work.

Darius JOHNSON
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.05.20 22:58:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: Danton Marcellus
Originally by: Kolmogorow
Hidden reserve of minimum votes (something like 500 or so) not met, election invalid ... I guess ...



Sweeping a goon, let alone six of them, under a rug is a full days work.


Perhaps more than that

Kayscha
Posted - 2008.05.21 05:17:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: CCP Xhagen
There are just a little bit over 6 hours of voting time left.

I will inform all the candidates of the results before making them public, it should happen in less than 24 hours.

I did send an e-mail to all candidates when the processing was done, please make sure that your spam filters (like on yahoo.com or hotmail.com don't swallow the mails).


Well...? Time's up, I should think, and I was really looking forward to the results before starting this endless work day where a web filter blocks my access to this site :O

LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
Posted - 2008.05.21 05:35:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: Kayscha


Well...? Time's up, I should think, and I was really looking forward to the results before starting this endless work day where a web filter blocks my access to this site :O

I guess the public will be informed after DT. You know, Icelandic people sleep too(Shocked). It's 05.34 over there now Neutral.

I'm so excited to see the outcome.


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