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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2008.05.19 04:58:00 - [1]
 

At least I think it is over... or if not, it should soon be over.
So... *ahem*... who "won" ?
Not like you have to count votes or anything, they were expressed "electronically", so as soon as the polls are closed, the results should be ready.

Erotic Irony
0bsession
Posted - 2008.05.19 05:33:00 - [2]
 

Seriously, where's the devblog

LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
Posted - 2008.05.19 05:36:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: LaVista Vista on 19/05/2008 05:38:25
According to the time line, result should be published Wednesday.

I'm so excited Very Happy

EDIT: I guess the reason they are making is wait, is to make sure everything is as it's supposed to be. Though I do agree that it's very simple to just pull the data(Just make a query which groups all votes, and just take the first 9 candidates, ordered by the sum of all votes).

But CCP is a corporation. Corporations are by definition, ineffective at small tasks like this Razz

Erotic Irony
0bsession
Posted - 2008.05.19 05:54:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: LaVista Vista
Edited by: LaVista Vista on 19/05/2008 05:38:25
According to the time line, result should be published Wednesday.

I'm so excited Very Happy

EDIT: I guess the reason they are making is wait, is to make sure everything is as it's supposed to be. Though I do agree that it's very simple to just pull the data(Just make a query which groups all votes, and just take the first 9 candidates, ordered by the sum of all votes).

But CCP is a corporation. Corporations are by definition, ineffective at small tasks like this Razz


Xhagen is at a loss for words trying to explain how so few people voted and rationalize why CCP should waste their time doing this again. I'm going to guess no more than 30% of the players voted.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2008.05.19 05:56:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 19/05/2008 08:17:55

Polls, polls ! Let's pay blackjack-a-ballot Twisted Evil
I'm betting.... 38572 votes total !

Not-so-stealth edit : make that non-abstain votes.

Erotic Irony
0bsession
Posted - 2008.05.19 06:04:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Erotic Irony on 19/05/2008 06:04:06
Originally by: Akita T
Polls, polls ! Let's pay blackjack-a-ballot Twisted Evil
I'm betting.... 38572 votes total !



didn't want that CSM anyway

Ben Derindar
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Posted - 2008.05.19 06:31:00 - [7]
 

At a guess, CCP could be notifying the winning candidates in advance of the public announcement, as they did for all successful applicants prior to the release of the candidate list.

/Ben

zoolkhan
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2008.05.19 06:31:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Akita T
At least I think it is over... or if not, it should soon be over.
So... *ahem*... who "won" ?



the voters Laughing

zoolkhan
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2008.05.19 06:33:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Ben Derindar
At a guess, CCP could be notifying the winning candidates in advance of the public announcement, as they did for all successful applicants prior to the release of the candidate list.

/Ben



actually, i had not have a confirmatuion that my application would be accepted until the candidates list was published....

not sure where you got that idea from :)

Ben Derindar
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Posted - 2008.05.19 06:43:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: zoolkhan
Originally by: Ben Derindar
At a guess, CCP could be notifying the winning candidates in advance of the public announcement, as they did for all successful applicants prior to the release of the candidate list.


actually, i had not have a confirmatuion that my application would be accepted until the candidates list was published....

not sure where you got that idea from :)

Well, I was told the day before the dev blog was published, and I saw several others quoting Xhagen's application stats pre-blog as well, so... *shrug*

/Ben

Scagga Laebetrovo
Failure Assured
Posted - 2008.05.19 06:45:00 - [11]
 

D'ya think candidates can request recounts?

Serenity Steele
Dynamic Data Distribution
Posted - 2008.05.19 06:46:00 - [12]
 

Wednesday to release the results isn't too bad. They will need to be preparing their press-releases as well, as I'm sure it won't simply be a matter of releasing the results, but also sending information out to the RL press about the winning candidates.


Sariyah
HUN Corp.
HUN Reloaded
Posted - 2008.05.19 06:51:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo
D'ya think candidates can request recounts?


LaughingLaughing

LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
Posted - 2008.05.19 06:57:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo
D'ya think candidates can request recounts?
I'd go for the revote ugh

Ishina Fel
Caldari
Terra Incognita
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2008.05.19 07:29:00 - [15]
 

The voting booth is still open at the moment... I'd wager it closes after downtime, or in the evening (after all, voting was unlocked Monday evening two weeks ago, IIRC).

LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
Posted - 2008.05.19 07:30:00 - [16]
 

I believe Xhagen announced the vote would indeed close at midnight.

Semkhet
Dark Tornado
Ethereal Dawn
Posted - 2008.05.19 07:31:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Erotic Irony

Xhagen is at a loss for words trying to explain how so few people voted and rationalize why CCP should waste their time doing this again. I'm going to guess no more than 30% of the players voted.


Maybe it has something to do with the fact that technically speaking, there was no need to come with all this PR crap & relying on "representatives" to start with.

If CCP was genuinely interested in consulting player's opinions about specific subjects, they just had to implement polls. Then that only concerned players vote is no different than what happens in any democracy.

Hence the bottom line is, if you make things complicated when it could all remain crystal simple, there's a good reason for it which might have very little to do with the substance of the matter supposedly at hand...

Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
Posted - 2008.05.19 07:58:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Polls, polls ! Let's pay blackjack-a-ballot Twisted Evil
I'm betting.... 38572 votes total !


Okay I'll bet 28121 votes. If true they really need to relook the 5% rule though. Laughing

Can't wait for the results and can't wait to get started with the real work, even if I'm not elected I'll still keep myself busy in the CSM forum Twisted Evil

ShootBlues
Aliastra
Posted - 2008.05.19 08:03:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: ShootBlues on 19/05/2008 08:03:20
Originally by: Semkhet
Originally by: Erotic Irony

Xhagen is at a loss for words trying to explain how so few people voted and rationalize why CCP should waste their time doing this again. I'm going to guess no more than 30% of the players voted.


Maybe it has something to do with the fact that technically speaking, there was no need to come with all this PR crap & relying on "representatives" to start with.

If CCP was genuinely interested in consulting player's opinions about specific subjects, they just had to implement polls. Then that only concerned players vote is no different than what happens in any democracy.

Hence the bottom line is, if you make things complicated when it could all remain crystal simple, there's a good reason for it which might have very little to do with the substance of the matter supposedly at hand...


The big flaw in this is that most of the people who play this game don't fully understand a lot of the mechanics and reasons behind changes. So you would get a stampede of idiots voting to ban high-sec suicide ganking and other trivial crap. Even though hypothetically if this was the case, I imagine CCP would obviously only put issues they want to a poll. Which isn't much better than the current state, and doesn't provide any real sensible way to discuss and develop ideas.

Your idea of how they should poll is like abolishing local and state governments and have a only a federal government run and entire country.

Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2008.05.19 08:35:00 - [20]
 

We need an Eve version of Peter Snow to entertain us with his Swingometer.

Serenity Steele
Dynamic Data Distribution
Posted - 2008.05.19 08:55:00 - [21]
 

I'll be interested to see the distribution of votes when plotted against the sequential order of the voting application form. Wink

Inanna Zuni
Minmatar
The Causality
Electus Matari
Posted - 2008.05.19 08:57:00 - [22]
 

To those asking for a recount: CSM elections are planned to take place every six months ;-0

To those who have voted for me: Thank you!

To those who voted for other candidates: Thank you!

To those who think this won't work: Shame on you for not having confidence in anyone, including yourself! Just as with PvP, if you don't try you can't succeed; if you go into a fight thinking you will lose you will do just that.

To the other candidates: Good luck and may the best representatives win ;-P

IZ

Ryoji Tanakama
Caldari
Indicium Technologies
Hephaestus Forge Alliance
Posted - 2008.05.19 09:24:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Erotic Irony
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Edited by: LaVista Vista on 19/05/2008 05:38:25
According to the time line, result should be published Wednesday.

I'm so excited Very Happy

EDIT: I guess the reason they are making is wait, is to make sure everything is as it's supposed to be. Though I do agree that it's very simple to just pull the data(Just make a query which groups all votes, and just take the first 9 candidates, ordered by the sum of all votes).

But CCP is a corporation. Corporations are by definition, ineffective at small tasks like this Razz


Xhagen is at a loss for words trying to explain how so few people voted and rationalize why CCP should waste their time doing this again. I'm going to guess no more than 30% of the players voted.


About the same turnout as a general election then! :)

LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
Posted - 2008.05.19 09:41:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Ryoji Tanakama


About the same turnout as a general election then! :)

Yeah. I would be very much surprised though, if 30% voted. It's hard to say really.

There could easily be a 30% turnout, but I have my doubts.

As earlier stated in another thread, I will be positively surprised if we get a 15-20% turnout. 10 sounds fairly reasonable. But if all major alliances vote, we could probably reach 20%

Sariyah
HUN Corp.
HUN Reloaded
Posted - 2008.05.19 10:15:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Semkhet
Maybe it has something to do with the fact that technically speaking, there was no need to come with all this PR crap & relying on "representatives" to start with.

If CCP was genuinely interested in consulting player's opinions about specific subjects, they just had to implement polls. Then that only concerned players vote is no different than what happens in any democracy.

Hence the bottom line is, if you make things complicated when it could all remain crystal simple, there's a good reason for it which might have very little to do with the substance of the matter supposedly at hand...

Then I assume you were one of those who abstained anyway.
Don't always try to find the bad things. Truth is I was surprised by this initiative and I think it's a very interesting and good one. Don't think any other MMO has this tbh, but maybe I'm too pessimistic so I'd be glad if you could prove me wrong.

Omber Zombie
Gallente
Frontier Technologies
Posted - 2008.05.19 10:15:00 - [26]
 

should have done it aussie style - everyone has to vote, even if it's to abstain.

Semkhet
Dark Tornado
Ethereal Dawn
Posted - 2008.05.19 10:39:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: ShootBlues

The big flaw in this is that most of the people who play this game don't fully understand a lot of the mechanics and reasons behind changes. So you would get a stampede of idiots voting to ban high-sec suicide ganking and other trivial crap. Even though hypothetically if this was the case, I imagine CCP would obviously only put issues they want to a poll. Which isn't much better than the current state, and doesn't provide any real sensible way to discuss and develop ideas.

Your idea of how they should poll is like abolishing local and state governments and have a only a federal government run and entire country.


Nope. Any system which defers authority to elected "representatives" simply translates into giving free hand to a reduced number of individuals who each aim for said positions (and the linked power) for a number of reasons which might have little to do with the general interest of the people who voted for them.

Hell, RL politics are the best example. Much talk of democracy everywhere, but why don't you stop thinking how is it possible that in the Digital Era, we still have to elect representatives when it is so simple to implement direct polls ? Because politics = $$$ and a lot of people benefits directly or indirectly. Direct democracy shortcircuit a fair share of businesses depending from lobbying.

That's why all so-called democracies function under the concept of "representative democracy", with the sole exception of Switzerland, which is the only country having the balls to actually really implement both a direct democracy and a rotation system for the highest public servant positions in order to prevent any kind of power grabbing and the ensuing classical abuses you can witness everywhere.


Semkhet
Dark Tornado
Ethereal Dawn
Posted - 2008.05.19 10:46:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Sariyah
Then I assume you were one of those who abstained anyway.
Don't always try to find the bad things. Truth is I was surprised by this initiative and I think it's a very interesting and good one. Don't think any other MMO has this tbh, but maybe I'm too pessimistic so I'd be glad if you could prove me wrong.


Wrong. I do act under the (neutral) assumption that this initiative is genuine hence did vote Jade with all my accounts because she seems to concur in my specific areas of interest.

That said, I've spent too much time interacting in RL with politicians to hold any illusion about the intricacies & finality of the whole exercise.

Serenity Steele
Dynamic Data Distribution
Posted - 2008.05.19 10:52:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Omber Zombie
should have done it aussie style - everyone has to vote, even if it's to abstain.


I agree, although I'm possibly slightly biased being a fellow Aussie.

The only problem with that system was the fine was AUD$50 if you didn't vote, so when I was travelling during election time, I used to pay my brother AUD$50 to go vote on my behalf to save the fine and the hassle of postal voting. Wink

Semkhet
Dark Tornado
Ethereal Dawn
Posted - 2008.05.19 11:01:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Serenity Steele
Originally by: Omber Zombie
should have done it aussie style - everyone has to vote, even if it's to abstain.


I agree, although I'm possibly slightly biased being a fellow Aussie.

The only problem with that system was the fine was AUD$50 if you didn't vote, so when I was travelling during election time, I used to pay my brother AUD$50 to go vote on my behalf to save the fine and the hassle of postal voting. Wink


Retorsion against potential non voters simply translates into increasing the number of registered votes at the price of the pertinence of the voting results since ppl end voting out of their butts. There are a number of countries which indeed implement fines if you don't go to vote and control carefully the ID of the voter. Argentina is one of them IIRC. Unfortunately this concept doesn't solve the problems of political corruption by a single iota...

After all, humans are humans, and when you tempt the devil, well, that's what you get in return Wink


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