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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2008.07.12 06:08:00 - [61]
 

Originally by: Alyx Farstrider
The goal is not "maximise ISK/h". The goal is typically "maximise both ISK/h and fun/h with an acceptible exchange rate between ISK and fun".
Some people find mission running fun. Some people find ratting fun. Some people find manufacturing fun. Some people find micromanaging buy/sell orders fun.
Each to their own, that's how EVE's market seems to work.

Very well put Wink

SysFin
Amarr
Posted - 2008.07.12 14:47:00 - [62]
 

Here is the most recent version of the mining guide.
http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=434899

Bufo8o2
Posted - 2008.07.12 15:50:00 - [63]
 

Edited by: Bufo8o2 on 12/07/2008 15:59:00
Another point of "dubious morality", if you see someone suicide ganked outside a station have a look in their cargo; it is often worth piking it up if you can get into a station immediately afterwards (to be safe from their corp). Couple of days ago made 87 million isk when I picked up 20,000 units of megacyte and some techII kit from one in jita. This was without even aiming to do this, you could probably make more by actively searching. A destroyer is quite useful for this due to its fairly large cargo bay.

Alyx Farstrider
Posted - 2008.07.12 16:47:00 - [64]
 

"Dubious morality" maybe, but few people would hate you for that. In fact, given how much people hate suicide gankers, I think anything that would stand to make them less profit (stealing their loot) would be widely lauded.

I'll have to try that sometime

Zapsus
Amarr
Tritanium Transportations
Posted - 2008.07.13 18:56:00 - [65]
 

Good afternoon Akita T,

the following Quotes are efficient for making 0%-10% profit increase in the Mining profession.

1. You [will] make more [ISK], if you mined only the most valuable ore of the moment, sold all excess minerals and bought the rest from the market.

2. DO NOT bother with destroyers, the mining frigate is better faster. [A destroyer has 6 Mining Lasers and a Mining Frigate has 2 Mining Lasers. It follows, that a destroyer has a approximately 200% higher mining yield than a frigate.]

3. Always pick the thing that gives you MOST ISK PER CUBIC METER OF ORE MINED.

Yours sincerely,
Zapsus

Xelios Xarxes
Posted - 2008.07.13 23:03:00 - [66]
 

Pretty good guide for newbies. As far as mining goes and staring at a roid all day while being the prime target of griefers, I'll pass. Plenty of better, and more exciting ways to make ISK by anyone's standards.

Ragnar Darkstar
Posted - 2008.07.14 03:02:00 - [67]
 

Quote:
2.4. KILL MISSIONS

Well, what's there to be said ?
Go in, kill stuff, optionally you might be asked to collect some item from one of the killed ships or structures and return it to the agent.
Sounds simple, but it's also the most dangerous mission type around.
At the same time, it's also the most lucrative type too, offering the greatest rewards both directly (ISK and Loyalty Points), but also indirectly, in form of bounties, loot, salvage, ocasionally tags or alloys instead of bounties... all from the wrecks of the destroyed enemies.

While the direct rewards (ISK and LP) might vary according to agent division, skills, standings and system security rating, all of the indirect rewards are almost identical (except for the normal randomness) for a certain mission.
Also, the secondary/indirect rewards are usually much higher than the direct rewards, and because of that, highsec "kill mission" running is the favourite ISK-making activity of a lot of pod pilots.
Another reason is that it only requires skills you could also use in PVP combat, so it's even more of an incentive.

There's a lot to be said about missions, skills you might need and so on and so forth, and I simply lack the space to even begin describing it.
It is best if you head over the missions subforum and read the things in there, maybe ask your own questions too.

Even if pilots were able to complete some L4 missions solo in ships as small as assault frigates, they were experts, and it still took a long time.
You usually want to fly a frigate only in L1s, a cruiser in L2s, a battlecruiser in L3s and battleships in L4s.
It's not a strict rule, but more of a general guideline, and feel free to either experiment or ask around about alternatives.


It often gets asked which ship to use for each level. Generally, the easiest progression for the new player is the Caldari missile ship tree. Missiles are the easiest weapon to use with low skillpoints, having excellent range and stopping power despite low skills. In addition, they can do all damage types, so you can customize your damage to each rat's weakness. The progression of ships in this tree is as follows:

Frigate - Kestrel (use for lvl 1 missions)
Cruiser - Caracal (use for lvl 2 missions)
Battlecruiser - Drake (use for lvl 3 missions)
Battleship - Raven (use for lvl 4 missions)
Tech II/Faction - Caldari Navy Raven (CNR), Golem, Nighthawk (use for lvl 4 missions)

In following this path you can focus on missile skills for damage and shield skills for tank. YOu can ignore gunnery and armor tanking skills. Once you get to battlecruiser train your light drone skills. Add medium drone skills when you start to fly battleships. Use the tacked thread in the ships and modules section to get specific pve fits for each ship.



Bai ZongTong
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2008.07.18 06:34:00 - [68]
 

nice thread.

will show my friend who just joined.

Flash Bombardo
Minmatar
Posted - 2008.07.18 07:43:00 - [69]
 

Hi,

I found this handy video guide to making money from the stockmarket in Eve:

Linkageness

It really helped me learn the basics of the market and how to make lots of fast ISK. I recommend it.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2008.07.18 09:44:00 - [70]
 

Originally by: Flash Bombardo
Stealth Rick Roll

Laughing

Mikailraxan
Posted - 2008.07.18 09:50:00 - [71]
 

You forgot pirating. YARRRR!!

Mara Rinn
Posted - 2008.07.19 14:22:00 - [72]
 

One thing to consider when running kill missions - your social skills affect LP rewards, and amounts paid by agents for completing missions. You can convert LP to ISK by buying high value items (eg: Republic Fleet Ballistic Control) and selling them via contracts.

I'm fairly sure that bounties for killing NPCs are not affected by social skills.

My advice for PvE play is to move to bigger ships sooner - they have more firepower, more HP, more module slots to fitout your tank. This is the inverse of PvP where you want to become highly proficient at flying one hull size before moving to the next.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2008.07.28 22:52:00 - [73]
 

Originally by: Mikailraxan
You forgot pirating. YARRRR!!

Nope, right there on spot #10 Wink

Originally by: Mara Rinn
My advice for PvE play is to move to bigger ships sooner - they have more firepower, more HP, more module slots to fitout your tank. This is the inverse of PvP where you want to become highly proficient at flying one hull size before moving to the next.

Yup, for PvE, your best bet is to rush through to a cruiser and L2 missions, then move on as fast as possible to L3 missions in a battlecruiser, or skip battlecruisers altogether and get in a battleship for L3 missions, then slowly prepare yourself for L4s.
The only problem is that it really works well with missile and drone boats only, gunboats can be tricky when fast-tracking to higher tiers or levels.

Marion Rendois
Posted - 2008.07.30 01:48:00 - [74]
 

As for me, I'm making my money through hauling. Just this morning I made 150k ISK in five jumps just moving Pyerite around. The only risk was picking up the Pyerite from a station in 0.4 space. Yes, I'm only just getting started but hey, you have to start somewhere. That's more money than I would have made on a level 2 or 3 mission in the same amount of time.

I also fly a drone/salvager boat for friends' level 4 missions.

Moliery
Posted - 2008.07.30 09:07:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: Tzar'rim
Stealing ore (for a starter with a hauler it's good money)
trading
ninja salvaging
high sec piracy



It's possible to steal with secure cargos ? no one use "simple" cargo mining today. too unsafe.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2008.07.30 09:21:00 - [76]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 30/07/2008 09:24:01

You can't anchor secure cans in 1.0 nor 0.9 for starters, so there you can always have an opportunity to steal ore if they don't always dock up after a full cargohold.
Many people also assume setting a password is enough (or don't even know they have to set a password) and also forget to anchor the secure can... in which case, not only can you steal the contents, but you could actually steal the can too.
Also, a secure can only holds (at best) 3900 m^3 of ore, so the hauler has to be present near the can before the miner mines more than that plus whatever he can hold in his own cargo, and you can't anchor two cans closer than 5 km from eachother IIRC, therefore many people STILL prefer to use jetcans.

Basically, saying "no one uses jetcan mining" is a gross exageration - a lot of people still jetcan mine, or use secure cans improperly.
You just have to find those people.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2008.10.25 16:54:00 - [77]
 

keepalive bump !

Lady Aja
Posted - 2008.10.25 17:09:00 - [78]
 

Salvaging a lvl 4 missions runners left over bits or bteer helping him for a share... IE 50%, or loot plus salvage and hand over tags if the mission runner is a 0.0 mission runner.

EnslaverOfMinmatar
Amarr
Posted - 2008.11.03 08:25:00 - [79]
 

Edited by: EnslaverOfMinmatar on 03/11/2008 08:27:42
If you want some easy and fast isk, go to minmater space and farm 2/10 angel plexes. You can do it in an assault frig, dessy or even a tanked frigate. In a dessy or frig you'll have to kill the rats so they don't kill you, in AF you can just fly, kill the structures and grab the loot. The loot is sweet like Gistii B-Type 1MN MWD - sells for 20-25 mil, Gistii B-Type 1MN AB - 3-4mil, Gistii B-Type shield booster ~6 mil, and remote shield booster which is worthless. Sometimes there is no loot, that can be annoying.

Know that the plexes are heavily farmed by a lot of people, so you need to be quick sometimes and fly a pvp fit :P
There's also a chance for angel bpcs (Dramiel) and domination loot, but it looks like they've been nerfed since the FW patch. If you're "lucky" you just made ~50 mil in 5 minutes.

Send me some isk if this helps you.

Lysianna
Nuxia
Posted - 2008.11.03 21:51:00 - [80]
 

Being smart is how you make ISK. That goes for missions, mining and etc. Great guide Akita T. Here’s a little spoiler =)

Example

- Observe the market in a trade hub like Dodixie. I wouldn’t try Jita since every pro traders have their eyes open there. Anyway, if you browse through the items, you’ll quickly notice that some stuff are being sold under the buy order. Some days you’ll make 500K isk, other days you’ll make a 50 million profits within 10 minutes of work. I won’t go into the details but all I’ll say is that if you pay attention and compared the sell and buy orders. You will be greatly surprise at times…


That’s only 1 example out of hundreds and Akita covered all the important basics… Life in EVE is about finding your own way to make your income and survive. The more tricks you know, the better life becomes and with ISK you make ISK.

Darkeen
Gallente
Posted - 2008.11.03 22:39:00 - [81]
 

Originally by: Lysianna
Being smart is how you make ISK. That goes for missions, mining and etc. Great guide Akita T. Here’s a little spoiler =)

Example

- Observe the market in a trade hub like Dodixie. I wouldn’t try Jita since every pro traders have their eyes open there. Anyway, if you browse through the items, you’ll quickly notice that some stuff are being sold under the buy order. Some days you’ll make 500K isk, other days you’ll make a 50 million profits within 10 minutes of work. I won’t go into the details but all I’ll say is that if you pay attention and compared the sell and buy orders. You will be greatly surprise at times…


That’s only 1 example out of hundreds and Akita covered all the important basics… Life in EVE is about finding your own way to make your income and survive. The more tricks you know, the better life becomes and with ISK you make ISK.




I found this out in my first month of playing - Made my first million this way!
But I've never seen it again after the first week..... But I've not gone out of y way to find these orders either....Embarassed

Tranka Verrane
Mentors Administration
Posted - 2008.11.03 22:49:00 - [82]
 

Incidentally if anyone prefers to have this as a reference ingame an IGB-compatible version can be found at:

http://pve-log.blogspot.com/2008/05/beginners-guide-to-making-isk.html

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2008.11.26 04:00:00 - [83]
 

As a side-note, the best moments to make a killing trading are shortly before and a while after any major patch, as a lot of prices shift due to changes to the game environment : if new interesting ships are introduced, materials to build them go up, if some modules are boosted or nerfed, their price (especially the named ones) start adjusting in price sometimes even before the actual changes.

Mara Rinn
Posted - 2008.11.26 06:38:00 - [84]
 

It's also well worth while keeping an eye on the "EVE Alliances" RSS feed. If you hear about massive loss of shipping (especially if people lose Titans), the price of Tritanium will rise quickly afterwards. Even Dreadnoughts require lots of Tritanium to replace.

As for those of "dubious ethics", it's worth noting that even people flying Hulks will mine into jetcans.

I'll reinforce the opinions already expressed about mining: (1) focus on mining the ore worth most per cubic metre, since mining lasers extract by cubic metre, and (2) train straight from frigate to Retriever.

Don't bother with the mining skills that aren't needed to get into a Retreiver - you'll get more bonus from using strip miners than from pimping out your frigate. Once you're in a Retriever, train straight for a Hulk. You'll gain more benefit from that third strip miner than pimping out your Retriever.


Borun Tal
Minmatar
Space Pods Inc
Posted - 2008.12.08 17:31:00 - [85]
 

Edited by: Borun Tal on 09/12/2008 07:54:53
Originally by: Jurgen Cartis
You should put a bit more emphasis on salvaging. One Alloyed Tritanium Bar from an Angel Wreck will purchase and T1 fit any T1 frigate.


I couldn't agree more, and think this is a great way for newbs to make isk. I still do it when I have to make a few million real quick: Osprey, fit with a couple missile launchers, expanded cargoholds, a salvager, and you're on your way. One can easily make a few million isk in just a couple hours killing npc pirates and salvaging in .5 - .7

Edit: just fyi, I played the last 2.5 hours killing npc's in .5, looting, and salvaging, and from bounty, looting, and salvage I made 5.3 million isk, not including a few small items I kept to give away to newbs... :) Had fun, didn't think about ratting or markets while doing it. :)

Sir Substance
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
Posted - 2008.12.08 23:33:00 - [86]
 

Originally by: Akita T

While annoying, it's a good thing too, since ore lost "accidentally" by not having enough cargo (auto-jetissoned in space without a can) is LOST.



this is incorrect. in the mission "bountiful banundine" or whatever it is, you need 4k of that ore, and there is 4k in the roid. i did a lost cycle as you describe, but still had 4k of the ore at the end of it.

Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2008.12.08 23:44:00 - [87]
 

Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 08/12/2008 23:44:06
Ninjasalvaging is quite possibly the most profitable profession for a new player, and is damn fun, so I think it needs a bit more emphasis.

StarStryder
WISE OUTCASTS
Posted - 2008.12.09 08:01:00 - [88]
 

Originally by: Alyx Farstrider
Edited by: Alyx Farstrider on 07/07/2008 09:58:48
Some people find mission running fun. Some people find ratting fun. Some people find manufacturing fun. Some people find micromanaging buy/sell orders fun.

Each to their own, that's how EVE's market seems to work.


I notice you didn't include mining in that list Laughing

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2009.02.01 09:38:00 - [89]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 01/02/2009 09:59:29

Roughly two months bump for keeping thread open ugh

P.S. By the way, the agent I was talking about on page two of the guide was moved out of Aramachi into a much higher system security, so now it's "meh". Oh well, people have to keep adapting, it was more of an example than an urging to go work for that agent Wink

Mirei Jun
Right to Rule
THE UNTHINKABLES
Posted - 2009.02.02 05:02:00 - [90]
 

Still a great guide!

A few more new and interesting ways of making isk in Eve have come about due to player ingenuity. I'm sure we can expect more to occur as the Eve universe expands.




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