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Mary Anne
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2008.05.28 10:50:00 - [211]
 

Edited by: Mary Anne on 28/05/2008 10:51:23




The posting of sweet BRUCE main and alt tears does not cease in this thread. So now - since my collapsing vision apparently came true - what are your bets on BRUCEs future?


My vote: fading away - "We pwnd the universe and are just rebuilding (for more than 24 months)!"



sakana
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2008.05.28 10:59:00 - [212]
 

Well, looks like another three corps dropped out overnight, which is one step further to BRUCE achieving the hardcore tight knit group of like-minded individuals that is going to save them.

Darc Kaahar
Gallente
Cruoris Seraphim
Exalted.
Posted - 2008.05.28 11:04:00 - [213]
 

Would they not just form a ball of death. That would solve everything.

Bruce I will FC your fleets for only 3 billion a week. Sound fair?

Mary Anne
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2008.05.28 11:08:00 - [214]
 

Originally by: sakana
Well, looks like another three corps dropped out overnight, which is one step further to BRUCE achieving the hardcore tight knit group of like-minded individuals that is going to save them.


This ^^


Carin K
Minmatar
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.05.28 11:09:00 - [215]
 

Originally by: Slinktress

Anyway, I have high hopes that some good changes will come through PL now the exceedingly talented OS*** corp has joined who know how to bring a good fight without hacks and cheats.



Not falling for your elaborate troll, no sirey!

blue strigoy
Minmatar
elite armchair generals
Posted - 2008.05.28 11:09:00 - [216]
 

Edited by: blue strigoy on 28/05/2008 11:11:18
Originally by: Mary Anne
Edited by: Mary Anne on 28/05/2008 10:51:23




The posting of sweet BRUCE main and alt tears does not cease in this thread. So now - since my collapsing vision apparently came true - what are your bets on BRUCEs future?


My vote: fading away - "We pwnd the universe and are just rebuilding (for more than 24 months)!"





...as there will be more Pandemic Legion and Goon main and alt posts. It could become a never ending story even, if the Bruce noobs are no more in Fountain. Bright prospects forever? Lets just hope as Goons and Pandemic Legion members, that we can harvest these Dysprosium moons, we conquered in Fountain for longer! YARRRR!!

Mary Anne
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2008.05.28 11:20:00 - [217]
 

Edited by: Mary Anne on 28/05/2008 11:19:47
Originally by: blue strigoy
...as there will be more Pandemic Legion and Goon main and alt posts. It could become a never ending story even, if the Bruce noobs are no more in Fountain.


But BRUCE alts are the ones shedding tears... sweet tears...



Mr Rive
Gallente
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.05.28 11:23:00 - [218]
 

Edited by: Mr Rive on 28/05/2008 11:25:31
Originally by: Slinktress
BRUCE deserves even more respect than FLA did in the day for facing such odds


*undocks 200 BS to a 40 man HAC gang loses 20 then blames spies for it*

*then retreats to home systems not gang warping your BS laving another 20 behind to die*

*calling op a success because over half your BS got home, killed a HAC, and it wouldve gone a lot better if they didnt have dirty spies on our TS*

TJ17
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2008.05.28 11:32:00 - [219]
 

Originally by: Carin K
Originally by: Slinktress

Anyway, I have high hopes that some good changes will come through PL now the exceedingly talented OS*** corp has joined who know how to bring a good fight without hacks and cheats.



Not falling for your elaborate troll, no sirey!

Mary Anne
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2008.05.28 11:38:00 - [220]
 

Edited by: Mary Anne on 28/05/2008 11:38:26



Originally by: evoli rehathe
posting in a locked thread in a dead alliance! Cool




Brutally Collapsing - dead without knowing they are dead yet. Then again that is called a Zombie. Zombies can be mean...


Gneeznow
Minmatar
Ship spinners inc
Posted - 2008.05.28 11:50:00 - [221]
 

I bet Mary Anne is a snigg alt, snigg is rife with awful people who hide behind alts.

Mary Anne
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2008.05.28 12:04:00 - [222]
 

Originally by: Gneeznow
I bet Mary Anne is a snigg alt, snigg is rife with awful people who hide behind alts.


Awwwwww cmon do not ruin the surprise - thats kept for later on.

Antodias
Gallente
Ship spinners inc
Posted - 2008.05.28 12:16:00 - [223]
 

Yeah, damn them snigg. Filthy metagamers I say.

blue strigoy
Minmatar
elite armchair generals
Posted - 2008.05.28 12:28:00 - [224]
 

Originally by: Antodias
Yeah, damn them snigg. Filthy metagamers I say.


That is not fair. Snigg are the good guys.

Carrier Eleven
Gallente
EVE Posting Service
Posted - 2008.05.28 12:42:00 - [225]
 

Originally by: Eltyron

I know the truth. The truth is that BRUCE tried to be a big fish in the pond and got beaten by its own fat, arrogance and a smaller meaner fish 1/7th its size.



1/7th? SoT + PL + CI + Goons = approx 6500 not to mention the hundreds of other pilots that tended to wander in looking for a fight (Hi BoB!!).

And you STILL had to resort to hacking/spies to win.

Wow, you ARE too l33t Rolling Eyes


Carin K
Minmatar
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.05.28 12:46:00 - [226]
 

Originally by: Carrier Eleven
Originally by: Eltyron

I know the truth. The truth is that BRUCE tried to be a big fish in the pond and got beaten by its own fat, arrogance and a smaller meaner fish 1/7th its size.



1/7th? SoT + PL + CI + Goons = approx 6500 not to mention the hundreds of other pilots that tended to wander in looking for a fight (Hi BoB!!).

And you STILL had to resort to hacking/spies to win.

Wow, you ARE too l33t Rolling Eyes




no, not too 1337, just intelligent enoguh to realise goonswarm only brought their blackops section not all of them.

think before you use CAPITAL ITALICS

Mary Anne
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2008.05.28 12:50:00 - [227]
 

Edited by: Mary Anne on 28/05/2008 12:50:32
Originally by: Carrier Eleven
Originally by: Eltyron

I know the truth. The truth is that BRUCE tried to be a big fish in the pond and got beaten by its own fat, arrogance and a smaller meaner fish 1/7th its size.



1/7th? SoT + PL + CI + Goons = approx 6500 not to mention the hundreds of other pilots that tended to wander in looking for a fight (Hi BoB!!).

And you STILL had to resort to hacking/spies to win.

Wow, you ARE too l33t Rolling Eyes





More BRUCE tears? What did your mommy say, seeing your eyes all red for days now - from the crying that is?

Does it hurt?




Hammerfall Ceo
Caldari
Hammerfall Industries
Posted - 2008.05.28 12:57:00 - [228]
 

Hammerfall Industries will stand side by side with BoB and helps them to defeat BRUCE.

blue strigoy
Minmatar
elite armchair generals
Posted - 2008.05.28 12:57:00 - [229]
 

Edited by: blue strigoy on 28/05/2008 12:59:22

Originally by: Carin K
Originally by: Carrier Eleven
Originally by: Eltyron

I know the truth. The truth is that BRUCE tried to be a big fish in the pond and got beaten by its own fat, arrogance and a smaller meaner fish 1/7th its size.



1/7th? SoT + PL + CI + Goons = approx 6500 not to mention the hundreds of other pilots that tended to wander in looking for a fight (Hi BoB!!).

And you STILL had to resort to hacking/spies to win.

Wow, you ARE too l33t Rolling Eyes




no, not too 1337, just intelligent enoguh to realise goonswarm only brought their blackops section not all of them.

think before you use CAPITAL ITALICS


This is fail spin. It was not our cloaking morrons sitting around somewhere in Fountain. Forget about them. Who cares about somebody, somewhere cloaked 23/7 and afk? It was our superior Goon Intelligence Agency and the great work of our agents in Bruce. Only this way our operation (codename: artichoke) could flourish like it did.

De Lucci
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2008.05.28 13:19:00 - [230]
 

Edited by: De Lucci on 28/05/2008 13:21:59
Watching this little conflict since it started I've gotta say good show to at least two of the three sides in Fountain. BRUCE for constantly bringing the fight, apparently having the balls to jump into sniper fleets, albeit being unable to adapt properly. BoB for finding the perfect time to have Goons & Co hand them a [edit: another] region on a plate with no real resistance.

Would give props to PL. Their tactics, planning, activity and intelligence were excellent from what I got to see. But there's metagaming in the sense of having spies and live broadcast of enemy comms, or stealing valuables from the enemy to deprive them of resources - entirely within legal and game mechanic bounds - and then there's having some Indonesian guy hack your enemies forums, "creatively" edit posts and then spam links to it in local 23/7 just to try and dishearten your enemy. Might as well have just skipped it and gone straight to stealing and cleaning out key enemies accounts, its about as low.

The Blinded
Minmatar
Rens 911
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.05.28 13:31:00 - [231]
 

Originally by: De Lucci
Edited by: De Lucci on 28/05/2008 13:21:59
Watching this little conflict since it started I've gotta say good show to at least two of the three sides in Fountain. BRUCE for constantly bringing the fight, apparently having the balls to jump into sniper fleets, albeit being unable to adapt properly. BoB for finding the perfect time to have Goons & Co hand them a [edit: another] region on a plate with no real resistance.

Would give props to PL. Their tactics, planning, activity and intelligence were excellent from what I got to see. But there's metagaming in the sense of having spies and live broadcast of enemy comms, or stealing valuables from the enemy to deprive them of resources - entirely within legal and game mechanic bounds - and then there's having some Indonesian guy hack your enemies forums, "creatively" edit posts and then spam links to it in local 23/7 just to try and dishearten your enemy. Might as well have just skipped it and gone straight to stealing and cleaning out key enemies accounts, its about as low.


I hope you realize that BRUCE was using exactly same kinds of metagaming, only with way less success - with reps crying out loud about being outplayed by PL in yet another field.

Antodias
Gallente
Ship spinners inc
Posted - 2008.05.28 13:35:00 - [232]
 

Edited by: Antodias on 28/05/2008 13:38:31
Originally by: Carrier Eleven

1/7th? SoT + PL + CI + Goons = approx 6500 not to mention the hundreds of other pilots that tended to wander in looking for a fight (Hi BoB!!).



It's true, BRUCE were totally outnumbered in every fight.

edit: forgot to post with my alt, oh noes

Wesley Baird
Caldari
D00M.
Triumvirate.
Posted - 2008.05.28 13:45:00 - [233]
 

I think BRUCE is giving too much credit to metagaming in this case. In virtually all large scale battles there is an element of metagaming. Look at the current Smashkill/Goons fight, or Insurgency/Tri vs The North, the number of spies on all sides is shocking...yet in all cases both sides win and lose fights in the face of metagaming...as everyone has developed tools to defeat spies on comms.

If your vent/ts spies aren't in command chat, they really shouldn't make much difference in a fight.

Give credit where credit is due, PL/CI deserve credit for their tactics and skill on the battlefield. The same is true that BRUCE leadership and FC's need to take some (see all) of the blame for failures...its easy to blame spies, rather than examine why you failed.


Mary Anne
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2008.05.28 13:47:00 - [234]
 

Edited by: Mary Anne on 28/05/2008 13:46:57


Dear BRUCE members,

actually all this is not about defeat or not. It is about gloating, over-confidence, bragging and behaving bad out of game in the sense of partially even asocial behaviour. In fact it is about BRUCE only.

Considering the former attitude of BRUCE and the failed attempts in trying to make BRUCE appear as a victim afterwards is a failed concept in itself - a blatant lie. In fact it is as follows:

1. everyone closeby realized that BRUCE is just a mere piece of dead meat, but still warm
2. people step by and feast as long as it is still warm and trying to move
3. there was no great alliance formed with the goal to kick BRUCE - we just stepped by and took what never was yours in the first place


a. BRUCE said: numbers >> skill
b. BOB proved in a positive way: skill and dedication >> numbers
c. BRUCE proved in a negative way: numbers << skill

As a matter of fact, the BRUCE concept was a fail concept in the first place - Why so much emo when hearing just the truth?

Shed your tears in my arms - I will listen to you.

Yours truly

Mary Anne



HotSeat
Caldari
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.05.28 13:57:00 - [235]
 

Honestly from this thread, seems like alot of Bruce still haven't learned anything.

1. PL fight people, thats all we do, thats it, nothing but fight. So, when we find people that will fight us back, we are happy little eve'rs. We sat in Bob home systems and fought them until they gave up and turned to Blob / mass cap fleet tactics- aka lag fighting. So we went to fountian for a quick holiday, and Bruce turned it into a war.

2. We want people to attack fountian.... ie see 1. Don't care about stations, sov, jump bridges, or any other crap.

3. Everyone in Eve has spy's, that ain't hacking. Everytime Bob fights Goons in a major battle there listening to each other TS... how the hell can you be a 0.0 alliance and not know this ???? I have fought against real hacker alliance, and PL ain't even close. We didn't hide the fact we had spy's, in fact we posted in Goon forums so all of Eve could read about it, so hopefully, again, you would learn something.

4. Bruce lost all the fights cause you post your fittings, and for some reason beyond most of PL, you don't seem to know when we have the advantage and just warp out until you have the right position. Typical PL vs Bob fights for example, can involve multi warp in's / out's before even one shot is fired, on both sides.

Bruce was willing to fight, however they just couldn't learn from the engagements, nor develop a understanding of what real 0.0 warfare is about. Bruce where much like Goons, but Goons had BOS and others teaching them the basics. It is here that Bruce failed. After major defeats, Bruce leadership should have just taken an offer, and the chance too learn what was needed before Bob showed up :(

Honestly never wanted your space, or the watch you collapse, but it became clear to everyone Bruce was going to be no help, and in fact, just in the way. Go back to NPC space, join up with a real fighting alliance or get Blue with some, bring med size gangs into the wars, and start learning what it is all about, then come back and kick ass Wink

Best of luck !

Anax Walsinghami
Minmatar
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2008.05.28 14:05:00 - [236]
 

Edited by: Anax Walsinghami on 28/05/2008 14:08:37
Mary Anne, you are truly a piece of work. Nice try at trying to sow despondency within the Bruce ranks. Unfortunately you are a little late as we have been hammered incessantly by it. The weak have left and those that now remain are teflon coated to COAD remarks such as yours. In our alliance chats there is a new sense of camaraderie, a resolve to pick up and recover the broken pieces left by others. Bruce is far from dead. So when, Mary Anne, your dust like assertions are scattered in the ether, you can come to my arms and cry softly because you have been found to be a nobody.

Alekanderu
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2008.05.28 14:13:00 - [237]
 

Originally by: Anax Walsinghami
Edited by: Anax Walsinghami on 28/05/2008 14:08:37
Mary Anne, you are truly a piece of work. Nice try at trying to sow despondency within the Bruce ranks. Unfortunately you are a little late as we have been hammered incessantly by it. The weak have left and those that now remain are teflon coated to COAD remarks such as yours. In our alliance chats there is a new sense of camaraderie, a resolve to pick up and recover the broken pieces left by others. Bruce is far from dead. So when, Mary Anne, your dust like assertions are scattered in the ether, you can come to my arms and cry softly because you have been found to be a nobody.


rising like a phoenix from the ashes, freed from the shackles of our stations, finally able to unleash the fury of our wolfpacks Twisted Evil

Mary Anne
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2008.05.28 14:14:00 - [238]
 

Edited by: Mary Anne on 28/05/2008 14:14:42

Originally by: Anax Walsinghami
Mary Anne, you are truly a piece of work. Nice try at trying to sow despondency within the Bruce ranks. Unfortunately you are a little late as we have been hammered incessantly by it. The weak have left and those that now remain are teflon coated to CAOD remarks such as yours. In our alliance chats there is a new sense of camaraderie, a resolve to pick up and recover the broken pieces left by others. Bruce is far from dead. So when, Mary Anne, your dust like assertions are scattered in the ether, you can come to my arms and cry softly because you have been found to be a nobody.



Dear Anax,

I mourn with you. It is just... discouraging to hear the same old shibboleth, realizing BRUCE did not learn at all. A failed concept is a failed concept simple as that. The big boys like MC, TRI,... do it with style - they face the truth based on facts and just close doors.

BRUCE instead tries to blame others - taking no responsibilty, while offering no consequence. It is a clear sign of immaturity and total lack in understanding the facts. Dead is dead - simple as that.

Yours truly

Mary Anne


blue strigoy
Minmatar
elite armchair generals
Posted - 2008.05.28 14:17:00 - [239]
 

Edited by: blue strigoy on 28/05/2008 14:27:29



Originally by: Wesley Baird
I think BRUCE is giving too much credit to metagaming in this case. In virtually all large scale battles there is an element of metagaming. Look at the current Smashkill/Goons fight, or Insurgency/Tri vs The North, the number of spies on all sides is shocking...yet in all cases both sides win and lose fights in the face of metagaming...as everyone has developed tools to defeat spies on comms.

If your vent/ts spies aren't in command chat, they really shouldn't make much difference in a fight.

Give credit where credit is due, PL/CI deserve credit for their tactics and skill on the battlefield. The same is true that BRUCE leadership and FC's need to take some (see all) of the blame for failures...its easy to blame spies, rather than examine why you failed.




Why should Bruce members not also talk about the 'other' methods, which PL and Goon used and used very often?

Why should executing these methods have no weight, why would PLGoon do it, if metagaming would not help anyway?

Believe me. Destroying Bruce from the inside was the key. Losing a battle or two, do you think that does really matter over all?

All those posts from PL/Goon about Bruce making them look like Noobs and Carebears like Rise, comparing them with ASCN and other dead alliances. Of course now Bruce is dead. The job is done well.

Why should former average Bruce members say now: "Thank you PLGoon for destroying our alliance, my assets and game fun in the last months, it was always nice and fair?"

You can not gank somebody, if you do not know, he is there and weak. There is no doubt, it is a lot easier to gank a miner or ratter, if your Bruce alt is sitting next to him or watching the Bruce intel channels and tells you, what he will do next, and the victim does not even know, that his killers are even close. That is what happened. Why should we not talk about it? I can only say, we Goon spies did a great job. And all the others: sry you are only the second winner.

Mary Anne
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2008.05.28 14:27:00 - [240]
 




Originally by: blue strigoy

Why should Bruce members not also talk about the 'other' methods, which PL and Goon used and used very often, as I heard?

Why should executing these methods have no weight, why would PLGoon do it, if metagaming would not help anyway?

Believe me. Destroying Bruce from the inside was the key. Losing a battle or two, do you think that does really matter over all?

All those posts from PL/Goon about Bruce making them look like Noobs and Carebears like Rise, comparing them with ASCN and other dead alliances. Of course now Bruce is dead. The job is done well.

Why should former average Bruce members say now: "Thank you PLGoon for destroying our alliance, my assets and game fun in the last months, it was always nice and fair?"

You can not gank somebody, if you do not know, he is there and weak. There is no doubt, it is a lot easier to gank a miner or ratter, if your Bruce alt is sitting next to him or watching the Bruce intel channels and tells you, what he will do next, and the victim does not even know, that his killers are even close. That is what happened. Why should we not talk about it? I can only say, we Goon spies did a great job. And all the others: sry you are only the second winner.



Dear blue,

*sigh* the learning curve is not steep for BRUCE isnt it?

It is the others fault, not BRUCE's. In fact it was the spy only from the inside. BRUCE are soooooooo perfect, that it becomes obvious there must have been a hacker - rl. One former BRUCE even threatens with a rl law suit...

C'mon get real - this is a one sided lollercoaster discussion. Fail is fail - BRUCE failed.

Yours most kindly

Mary Anne



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