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Mary Anne
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2008.05.27 20:33:00 - [181]
 

Originally by: Smurf Fellator


BRUCE whine




Dear Smurf,

I am sorry, but if I recall correctly: Wasnt it BRUCE being so confident on metagaming as in keeping secrets and espionage?

Sorry to burst your bubble.

Yours truly

Mary Anne


PS: Was it you, who got so angry on TS with the PNQ incident about spies and asking the "spy" to "x" in fleet?

Lrrp
Minmatar
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2008.05.27 20:39:00 - [182]
 

I don't think Bruce expects anyone to "let" them do anything. As for crawling back, I don't see Bruce asking anyone if it is ok to come back to cluster

S1r Minealot
Gallente
Resilience.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2008.05.27 21:22:00 - [183]
 

Edited by: S1r Minealot on 27/05/2008 21:23:24
very good post smurf, next time with your main please..

i wonder though why pl is trying to justify them that much to the community?

now all alts go derail this post please ;)

Billy Merc
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2008.05.27 21:28:00 - [184]
 

Originally by: S1r Minealot
Edited by: S1r Minealot on 27/05/2008 21:23:24
very good post smurf, next time with your main please..

i wonder though why pl is trying to justify them that much to the community?

now all alts go derail this post please ;)


ummmm...because its a game ??...no one alliance in this game can say that they are "picture perfect saints"...and if there is they are a bunch of lieing *****.

tho i do love to troll caod and lol my ass off at : "Fail", "This", "Epic", "Win" and "Troll" and "smurf"....the cognitive ability of this community would make a fantastic paper Rolling Eyes

AonChilo
Amarr
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2008.05.27 23:10:00 - [185]
 

You can criticize BRUCE and try to tear its members down as much as you want and certainly their is justified and deserved critique, but for what its worth, I can say this…

We brought the fights. We didn’t hide, log or dock-up. We kept on throwing fleets at the enemy despite even heavy losses. The killboards (including BRUCE losses) show this. We even threw ‘moms’ at some of the best PVPers in the game, took losses there too, we still risked our isk. We came out to play despite knowing that our intel (forums, vent) were seriously compromised. We continued to duke it out having lost critical alliance leadership structure; despite having no major partners (other alliance power blocs) to assist us. We stayed the course even refusing offers of a supposed “way out” (blue standings) in exchange for shift in directions, to engage in boring a$% ‘pos/sov’ war against a powerful neighbor.

We attracted the attention of numerous hostile factions. Had a couple more alliances decided to jump on the band-wagon, one could almost say their was a “mini-anti BoB like” coalition out to get us.

So I would say BRUCE, or us “Fountain carebears” as our opponents like to label us, put in a pretty good effort here in Fountain. We made the game fun for thousands of Eve players.

Mortecai
Caldari
Wise Guys
Exquisite Malevolence
Posted - 2008.05.27 23:15:00 - [186]
 

Originally by: AonChilo

We made the game fun for thousands of Eve players.



Oh but you still are making if fun, just not the fountain area players, now it's syndicates turn.

Olex Grant
Minmatar
Resilience.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2008.05.28 00:16:00 - [187]
 

Edited by: Olex Grant on 28/05/2008 00:18:01
Originally by: AonChilo
We didn’t hide, log or dock-up. We kept on throwing fleets at the enemy despite even heavy losses. The killboards (including BRUCE losses) show this. We even threw ‘moms’ at some of the best PVPers in the game, took losses there too, we still risked our isk.


That's a basic requirement of trying to control some space in conquerable 0.0. If you're not willing to do those things you describe, you have no business being there in the first place.

My personal feeling was (and still is) that Syndicate did not adequately prepare BRUCE for the challenges they found themselves with in Fountain, which was always going to be the danger with the way the (then) leadership chose to operate in the region.

I guess you guys have decided to give Syndicate a second shot, so no doubt we will see how that pans out over the coming weeks.


Mary Anne
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2008.05.28 00:50:00 - [188]
 

Edited by: Mary Anne on 28/05/2008 08:34:59

Originally by: AonChilo
You can criticize BRUCE and try to tear its members down as much as you want and certainly their is justified and deserved critique, but for what its worth, I can say this…

<snip>




Dear AonChilo,

I actually do feel your pain. Ingame as well as on CAOD boards. But there is something you and your mates have to live with: History is written by the winner, not by the losers. BRUCE is not the winner, thus you do not write history - others do.

Why not just face the truth? Leave with style: Disband your alliance and give it a rest. CAOD alt posting and main posting dreaming of days long gone just shows one thing: the lack of ability to face the truth - Game Over.

Yours truly

Mary Anne



EDIT (28/05/2008): Thanks to Zathi I learned somethign and could edit a typo out - cheers mate.

Zathi Shaitan
Minmatar
Illiteracy Combatants
Posted - 2008.05.28 01:12:00 - [189]
 

Originally by: Mary Anne
History is written by the winner, not by the loosers.
Mary Anne


And CAOD history is not written by the illiterates who do not know the difference between "losers" and "loosers".

That's you, honey.

Sorrowed
Gallente
Shade.
Cry Havoc.
Posted - 2008.05.28 01:53:00 - [190]
 

Quote:
Should have posted with your main, its a good post.

PL bring the heat...your diplo's should have talked nice, rather than thought they had the big stick over the moon.
.


Nice spin.

I find it humorous how PL can spew garbage like they are facts.

Fact: Goon appoached us and asked for help with bob on a particular push with less than 24hrs notice during our low pop time. Fried had said it would be almost impossible to muster the numbers they wanted on such short notice. within 72 hours after they lost the engagement we were reset by Goon and PL without notice and the 2 entitys were roaming our space wile we still had them blue popping our industrials.

After PL taking a few MH POSs they then asked for a few moons in and around the core area. We did not really want that as PL would end up a tenant by proxy just as MH was. At the time we had SOT and BLAST blue and wanted them to step up and have the moons as they were securing that area and were members of the fountain coilition. PL fast talked SoT, gave them the appearance i am guessing we wanted all the moons (not true) and they then reset us, starting this entire thing in motion.

Now PL, if you dispute any of this we can always post the chat logs between the diplos during this period. I do have them. I have no problem with ya flexing your E-peen about how awsome you are, however lets not spin the facts as to what your organisation trully represents. You lie on public forums to attack the morale of your opponent. You hack Vent, and private forums, edit the content and post it back so it follows your agenda.

I ask you, please give credit where credit is due in this decisive victory. Your Vent spy! Every single engagement your fleets listened with rapt attention to detail of our every move. Playing this game is fun. Not so fun when the other side has to take an advantage that was not desighned into the game. Vent hacking and forum hacking in no way has its place in any game.

I guess all i can say is, Good Show! But please spare us the dribble. "all we wanted was just a moon or two!" We all know the truth. Even if ya wont admit it.

Vyktor Abyss
Gallente
The Abyss Corporation
Posted - 2008.05.28 02:05:00 - [191]
 

Edited by: Vyktor Abyss on 28/05/2008 02:07:53

Smurf Fellator - whoever you are, good posts.

Shame more people like you dont post more often with mains "punching the sack of shy-te that is CAOD getting yourself dirty in the process...", since with more good posters it wouldn't actually be so bad to read.

Just to educate the few intelligent and respectful CAOD readers out there on the sorts of people in BRUCE - I was drawn to BRUCE after 2 years playing the 'good guy', sheriff role elsewhere and fancied a change of scene. BRUCE appeared to be built on a majority of these types of 'good guy' players, with similar (non-metagame, non-smack, 'make the game fun for everyone') ideals it seemed like a natural home.

I joined only 1 month ago and despite a whirlwind of trying to adjust to being part of BRUCE during a tough time for the alliance, I was never disappointed with my choice. The maturity of the community of people in BRUCE to quietly roll with all the punches and still be extracting the enjoyment from the game, no matter what the results of the fights was the most impressive thing I have witnessed thus far in BRUCE.

I've not got enough knowledge of the working alliance to say what went wrong, whether it will rise again to the same level under the new leadership but what I can say is that I was never disappointed by the characters in BRUCE and I'm sure many of those are still there so BRUCE should not be underestimated or written off yet.

I am proud to have been part of BRUCE for even such a short time despite what all the immature, obtuse, negative things other players might say. I think its already known/published earlier in the thread by an alt blabber Rolling Eyes *sigh* that our corp is leaving so I guess I will be leaving BRUCE too. I'm not sure what I'll do next personally...but I do hope I'm ok to say my first and last "Long live the Bruces!!" Very Happy

Those in the know, know the truth about BRUCE anyway and will echo me in saying....



....CCP should have locked this thread properly long ago! Laughing

Eltyron
Caldari
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.05.28 02:43:00 - [192]
 

Originally by: Sorrowed


words




Excellent re-spin.

I also find it humorous how BRUCE can spew their inability to hold 0.0 player owned stations like it was the cool thing to do.

Fact: I like how you included the prior 5 months of BRUCE's inactivity around Delve in determining why we are killing you now. That 1 engagement you speak of was surely the sole reason PL and Goons did not keep you blue. Honest.

I do dispute your claims as to the initial diplomatic conversations. I know the timeline of events since we moved in, I was graciously allowed to assist in my own small part in making those decisions. Go ahead and post the logs, it will show everyone exactly what we want people to know.

As for giving you credit, we do. Thank you for providing us a month of fun. Thank you for putting up awesome fights against us which both sides hopefully enjoyed. Thank you for showing us that carebears and farmers with pitchforks can do some serious damage. Thank you for showing the rest of EvE that your ideology can work in 0.0.

And if 1 vent spy can cause the loss of roughly 700 battleships and make a 120 man fleets run away from our 30 man gang repeatedly, then he deserves a medal. Maybe you can suggest one as I hear you have lots of models to choose from?

I know the truth. The truth is that BRUCE tried to be a big fish in the pond and got beaten by its own fat, arrogance and a smaller meaner fish 1/7th its size. If you wish to believe your version of the truth, go ahead. The bottom line is, did you have fun? We did.


Sorrowed
Gallente
Shade.
Cry Havoc.
Posted - 2008.05.28 03:40:00 - [193]
 

Quote:
And if 1 vent spy can cause the loss of roughly 700 battleships and make a 120 man fleets run away from our 30 man gang repeatedly, then he deserves a medal.


1 vent spy at every battle giveing ultimate tactical advantage from the onset of every battle. Sir, with all due respect, you hacked our forums as well. You edited posts made by reps and re-gurgitated them publically as truth. Justify it how you like, i know for a fact you were interested in all the high end moons in fountain from the onset. It was not a group 1/7th the size either. You were operating with Goon on one side of Bruce space, You on the other, SoT, CI, Bob, and various other norther groups all roaming through.

I am not saying bruce made no mistakes, im just calling you out on your BS. You lie. You actually cheat? if there is such a thing. I dont see how it can be fun when ya have to commit a felony by hacking forums just to get an edge in a game. Hey, have at it. Just dont spew off how it was your tactical genious that got ya the win. You cheated......and now ya just admitted it.

Well done.

Kindra Blades
Caldari
Cybernetic Innovations
Posted - 2008.05.28 03:45:00 - [194]
 

Originally by: Eltyron

BS spewage


Thank you for showing that you can't fight an opponent without metagaming.

Eltyron
Caldari
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.05.28 03:56:00 - [195]
 

Keep blaming us for your failures. Your tears are so so sweet. Wink

Sorrowed
Gallente
Shade.
Cry Havoc.
Posted - 2008.05.28 04:04:00 - [196]
 

I am not blameing you for anything. It is not blame. Think of it as a public service announcment. You can not play the game as it was intended so you have to take advantage over others that they do not have access to.

That is a fact you have already admitted to. It was not a failure of mine. It was being niave to the fact that others cheat, and we did not safeguard ourselves to it. Would bruce have lost fountain anyhow? possibly. But you have forever spoiled the win by your means to the end.

Real Darkling
Caldari
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.05.28 04:21:00 - [197]
 

LOL @ Bruce. YARRRR!!

You still own most of Fountain, where are you all going???

Eltyron
Caldari
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.05.28 05:47:00 - [198]
 

Originally by: Sorrowed
I am not blameing you for anything. It is not blame. Think of it as a public service announcment. You can not play the game as it was intended so you have to take advantage over others that they do not have access to.

That is a fact you have already admitted to. It was not a failure of mine. It was being niave to the fact that others cheat, and we did not safeguard ourselves to it. Would bruce have lost fountain anyhow? possibly. But you have forever spoiled the win by your means to the end.


Welcome to Eve, where a huge amount of people look to cheat other players. You should listen to Fried's last Fireside, iirc he acknowledges that BRUCE has spies around EvE. Funny that BRUCE would stoop so gosh darn low to employ those methods. Rolling Eyes

You remind me of me, when I was in KOS and we were evicted from Wicked Creek. I was always eager to create excuses to make KOS the Shining White Knite it wasn't. Metagaming was enemy #1.

On a serious note, I had great respect for BRUCE, just not how their leadership was so out of touch with many many things.

Best of luck in the future.

Mayalla
Amarr
BulletProof Monks
Sons of Tangra
Posted - 2008.05.28 06:38:00 - [199]
 

Originally by: Mary Anne
History is written by the winner, not by the loosers.


lol, you're not even close to the truth here (from my personal and my country's RL experience)...
.

Wusti
Caldari
The New Era
C0NVICTED
Posted - 2008.05.28 07:11:00 - [200]
 

Originally by: Eltyron
Originally by: Sorrowed


Blah blah.


On a serious note, I had great respect for BRUCE, just not how their leadership was so out of touch with many many things.

Best of luck in the future.




QFTW.

Back when we first came to Syndicate, the first enemies we picked were BRUCE. Why? Because all your high and mighty "ideals" and wonderfully heroic statements of direction and principle were proven BS within a week (and yes I have chat-log proof to back up my claims 12oz, Trayk and Zaphod)

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure many BRUCE members do indeed try to live up to that, and we've come across woeful smacky-BRUCEs and some good sports - as you would expect in any alliance. BUT, I can't help but think that BRUCE was fatally flawed to begin with - and from within, not from without. Your leaders lied to you and mislead you and eventually began to believe all the BS they spewed - hence the long fall following so shortly after the meteoric rise.

I wish the remaining BRUCE's the best of luck (since the ones I had issue with "appear" to have gone) in trying to re-take your old homes in Syndicate. We will be here to welcome you.

Just as an aside - whilst I personally do not engage in metagaming (only coz I'm too dumb to figure out how Razz), I can only admire those with the dedication and singlemindedness of purpose to do WHATEVER is require for victory. PL et al, I salute you GJ.

Brmble
Minmatar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.05.28 07:36:00 - [201]
 

Originally by: Mayalla
Originally by: Mary Anne
History is written by the winner, not by the loosers.


lol, you're not even close to the truth here (from my personal and my country's RL experience)...
.


yeah, history is written by whoever wastes the most time on wikipedia amirite

Malcore Trisus
Amarr
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.05.28 07:49:00 - [202]
 

Originally by: Sorrowed
Quote:
Should have posted with your main, its a good post.

PL bring the heat...your diplo's should have talked nice, rather than thought they had the big stick over the moon.
.


Nice spin.

I find it humorous how PL can spew garbage like they are facts.

Fact: Goon appoached us and asked for help with bob on a particular push with less than 24hrs notice during our low pop time. Fried had said it would be almost impossible to muster the numbers they wanted on such short notice. within 72 hours after they lost the engagement we were reset by Goon and PL without notice and the 2 entitys were roaming our space wile we still had them blue popping our industrials.

After PL taking a few MH POSs they then asked for a few moons in and around the core area. We did not really want that as PL would end up a tenant by proxy just as MH was. At the time we had SOT and BLAST blue and wanted them to step up and have the moons as they were securing that area and were members of the fountain coilition. PL fast talked SoT, gave them the appearance i am guessing we wanted all the moons (not true) and they then reset us, starting this entire thing in motion.

Now PL, if you dispute any of this we can always post the chat logs between the diplos during this period. I do have them. I have no problem with ya flexing your E-peen about how awsome you are, however lets not spin the facts as to what your organisation trully represents. You lie on public forums to attack the morale of your opponent. You hack Vent, and private forums, edit the content and post it back so it follows your agenda.

I ask you, please give credit where credit is due in this decisive victory. Your Vent spy! Every single engagement your fleets listened with rapt attention to detail of our every move. Playing this game is fun. Not so fun when the other side has to take an advantage that was not desighned into the game. Vent hacking and forum hacking in no way has its place in any game.

I guess all i can say is, Good Show! But please spare us the dribble. "all we wanted was just a moon or two!" We all know the truth. Even if ya wont admit it.


Your tears, they are so sweet.

Julius Scipio
Amarr
Ad Astra Vexillum
Warped Aggression
Posted - 2008.05.28 08:14:00 - [203]
 

Originally by: Malcore Trisus
Originally by: Sorrowed
Quote:
Should have posted with your main, its a good post.

PL bring the heat...your diplo's should have talked nice, rather than thought they had the big stick over the moon.
.


Nice spin.

I find it humorous how PL can spew garbage like they are facts.

Fact: Goon appoached us and asked for help with bob on a particular push with less than 24hrs notice during our low pop time. Fried had said it would be almost impossible to muster the numbers they wanted on such short notice. within 72 hours after they lost the engagement we were reset by Goon and PL without notice and the 2 entitys were roaming our space wile we still had them blue popping our industrials.

After PL taking a few MH POSs they then asked for a few moons in and around the core area. We did not really want that as PL would end up a tenant by proxy just as MH was. At the time we had SOT and BLAST blue and wanted them to step up and have the moons as they were securing that area and were members of the fountain coilition. PL fast talked SoT, gave them the appearance i am guessing we wanted all the moons (not true) and they then reset us, starting this entire thing in motion.

Now PL, if you dispute any of this we can always post the chat logs between the diplos during this period. I do have them. I have no problem with ya flexing your E-peen about how awsome you are, however lets not spin the facts as to what your organisation trully represents. You lie on public forums to attack the morale of your opponent. You hack Vent, and private forums, edit the content and post it back so it follows your agenda.

I ask you, please give credit where credit is due in this decisive victory. Your Vent spy! Every single engagement your fleets listened with rapt attention to detail of our every move. Playing this game is fun. Not so fun when the other side has to take an advantage that was not desighned into the game. Vent hacking and forum hacking in no way has its place in any game.

I guess all i can say is, Good Show! But please spare us the dribble. "all we wanted was just a moon or two!" We all know the truth. Even if ya wont admit it.


Your tears, they are so sweet.


So you engaged in criminality to win a game Pandemic Legion. I just hope our credit cards are safe.

Slinktress
Gallente
Evolution
The Initiative.
Posted - 2008.05.28 09:26:00 - [204]
 

BRUCE deserves even more respect than FLA did in the day for facing such odds and ugliness yet not wavering from their high standards of what they believe in, including NOT flipping sides to gain an advantage.

What MMO doesn't strive for a FAIR game and an equal chance at fun and success? This is usually a concept that gets cheered! o.0

Anyway, I have high hopes that some good changes will come through PL now the exceedingly talented OS*** corp has joined who know how to bring a good fight without hacks and cheats.

*I speak on my own and not for my current corp/alliance, but ex-FLA and BLAST leadership tip their hats to BRUCE* o7

Astasia Orian
Minmatar
Black Eclipse Corp
KenZoku
Posted - 2008.05.28 09:43:00 - [205]
 

Originally by: Julius Scipio

So you engaged in criminality to win a game Pandemic Legion. I just hope our credit cards are safe.


Quick call your bank, they're prolly ordering 100s of polycarbs from amazon.com RIGHT NOW !

evoli rehathe
Gallente
The Graduates
Brutally Clever Empire
Posted - 2008.05.28 09:55:00 - [206]
 

Didn't help that we were losing players and corps at a unbelievable pace while PL picked up a corp or two with probably a bigger cap fleet than BRUCE could field anymore. Welp, atleast the last month of pvp has been great with PL and friends. GG. Weird I'm posting in a locked thread in a dead alliance! Cool


Corvac
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.05.28 09:58:00 - [207]
 

Originally by: Astasia Orian
Originally by: Julius Scipio

So you engaged in criminality to win a game Pandemic Legion. I just hope our credit cards are safe.


Quick call your bank, they're prolly ordering 100s of polycarbs from amazon.com RIGHT NOW !


Too late, they are already in the mail, together with a nice collection of domination overdrives. Thanks BRUCE!

Zartek Mattlov
Caldari
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.05.28 10:02:00 - [208]
 

Originally by: Astasia Orian
Originally by: Julius Scipio

So you engaged in criminality to win a game Pandemic Legion. I just hope our credit cards are safe.


Quick call your bank, they're prolly ordering 100s of polycarbs from amazon.com RIGHT NOW !


Sorry I can't hear over the sound of how awesomely fast I'm going.

Gneeznow
Minmatar
Ship spinners inc
Posted - 2008.05.28 10:04:00 - [209]
 

I can travel through time in real life

blue strigoy
Minmatar
elite armchair generals
Posted - 2008.05.28 10:31:00 - [210]
 


I like the Goons, who say Pandemic Legion have the best FCs in Eve. I like, if PL and Goon permanently call the Bruce leadership all metagamers and the members all only carebears. I also like the high activity of from Pandemic Legion and Goon members in this forum. So there is no doubt, it must be all true. Laughing


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