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joshmorris
Posted - 2008.05.17 16:24:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: joshmorris on 17/05/2008 16:27:24
Edited by: joshmorris on 17/05/2008 16:25:21
So atm we are waiting on a dread pilot to log in (again)

He cyno'd in at a planet ... 1 of our guys in a rupture pointed him BUT he logged of just before that happened.

He disappeared shortly after.

Bout 1 hour later he logged back in .... our rapier pilot waited until he came out of warp , uncloaked and just before he got the lock the dread pilot logged off .. again. This was shortly followed by him disappearing into thin air EVEN though he was pointed ...

Was petitioned and something like this was the reply.

Im sorry, but logging in and out of the game is not considered as an exploit, even when I fully understand your concerns.

So basically any capital pilot can avoid consequence totally in low sec and its endorsed by game designers. as If he logged out before any aggression has been done, then he will disappear after the normal time then. so scrambling a ship from a player who is not logged in will not cause any aggression on the ship.

Bs.

Edit - Name and shame ftw ?

Shusu Barberious - dread pilot who likes to loggofski alot.

Erotic Irony
0bsession
Posted - 2008.05.17 16:32:00 - [2]
 

Originally by: joshmorris
Edited by: joshmorris on 17/05/2008 16:27:24
Edited by: joshmorris on 17/05/2008 16:25:21
So atm we are waiting on a dread pilot to log in (again)

He cyno'd in at a planet ... 1 of our guys in a rupture pointed him BUT he logged of just before that happened.

He disappeared shortly after.

Bout 1 hour later he logged back in .... our rapier pilot waited until he came out of warp , uncloaked and just before he got the lock the dread pilot logged off .. again. This was shortly followed by him disappearing into thin air EVEN though he was pointed ...

Was petitioned and something like this was the reply.

Im sorry, but logging in and out of the game is not considered as an exploit, even when I fully understand your concerns.

So basically any capital pilot can avoid consequence totally in low sec and its endorsed by game designers. as If he logged out before any aggression has been done, then he will disappear after the normal time then. so scrambling a ship from a player who is not logged in will not cause any aggression on the ship.

Bs.

Edit - Name and shame ftw ?

Shusu Barberious - dread pilot who likes to loggofski alot.



no crying in the breastmilk

joshmorris
Posted - 2008.05.17 16:38:00 - [3]
 


Quote:
no crying in the breastmilk


Sorry are you just like not loved or something ?

Yes i am a bit annoyed that people can avoid consequence totally if there in a ship that can survive 30 seconds of a large fleet until they disappear but the fact that is isn't considered as an exploit just really makes me .. wtf

Rhatar Khurin
Minmatar
Dead poets society
The Laughing Men
Posted - 2008.05.17 16:45:00 - [4]
 

Why are you asking us if it's an exploit even though a GM has read your petition and given you an answer?

Sure, logging in and out is lame, but anything that is sanctioned by CCP can not be classed as an exploit.

Necronomicon
Caldari
The Weasels of Doom
Posted - 2008.05.17 16:48:00 - [5]
 

Yup, he can do it all day if he wants. Best thing to do is equip cloaker with a smartbomb, uncloak, activate, BANG 15 min timer ;)

Avoheja
Caldari
The Venture Co.
Posted - 2008.05.17 16:55:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Necronomicon
Yup, he can do it all day if he wants. Best thing to do is equip cloaker with a smartbomb, uncloak, activate, BANG 15 min timer ;)


The key here is you must do something aggressive BEFORE he logs off to get the 15 minute timer. He's logging on, seeing you on grid as he warps in and immediately logging back off, so that even though you see his ship warp back to you, he's already gone by the time you start targeting.

Yes, it's lame, BUT, CCP's position is (and always has been) that they have no right to tell a player when they can or can't log in/log out as logging in/out of a game is a 'real life' choice. They can't punish you for having a crappy internet connection (it's possible) or for having to leave 'omgthere'safireintheatticrightnow!!!!' (also possible even though we know it's not the case with logoffskis)... their hands are tied here, unfortunately. If he's in the habit of cyno'ing to planets instead of to within docking range of a station, don't worry... you'll catch him eventually.

joshmorris
Posted - 2008.05.17 16:55:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Rhatar Khurin
Why are you asking us if it's an exploit even though a GM has read your petition and given you an answer?

Sure, logging in and out is lame, but anything that is sanctioned by CCP can not be classed as an exploit.


But if we come together we can fight !!!! Ya ? i mean if enough people say this needs to be changed because its just a stupid I WIN buttton of "game mechanics" then CCP might actually change it.

Quote:
Yup, he can do it all day if he wants. Best thing to do is equip cloaker with a smartbomb, uncloak, activate, BANG 15 min timer ;)


But he can log while still in warp ... and he can and does (while in warp your invunerable ?)

Faife
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2008.05.17 17:18:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Faife on 17/05/2008 17:18:48
PVP tears are sweetest licked right off the cheek. Try it sometime.

EDIT: alternate flame: "Go back to counterstrike."

joshmorris
Posted - 2008.05.17 17:22:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: joshmorris on 17/05/2008 17:22:38
Originally by: Faife
Edited by: Faife on 17/05/2008 17:18:48
PVP tears are sweetest licked right off the cheek. Try it sometime.

EDIT: alternate flame: "Go back to counterstrike."


Counter flame ?

I guess your 1 of the WoW nublets who like no consequence then.

"Go back to WoW".

Faife
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2008.05.17 17:26:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: joshmorris


Counter flame ?

I guess your 1 of the WoW nublets who like no consequence then.

"Go back to WoW".


I guess your 1 of the FPS nublets who like no challenge then.

"Go back to Unreal".

joshmorris
Posted - 2008.05.17 17:28:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: joshmorris on 17/05/2008 17:28:25
Originally by: Faife
Originally by: joshmorris


Counter flame ?

I guess your 1 of the WoW nublets who like no consequence then.

"Go back to WoW".


I guess your 1 of the FPS nublets who like no challenge then.

"Go back to Unreal".


I guess your 1 of them trolls who doesnt know what there talking about ?

"Go back to ... troll thing"

Edit - wait no support me in my fight against loggofskie for no consequence.

Avoheja
Caldari
The Venture Co.
Posted - 2008.05.17 17:29:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: joshmorris

But if we come together we can fight !!!! Ya ? i mean if enough people say this needs to be changed because its just a stupid I WIN buttton of "game mechanics" then CCP might actually change it.




Eh... I consider logging off to avoid a fight at all definitely not winning. It's not an IWIN button, but an Everybody Loses button imo.

joshmorris
Posted - 2008.05.17 17:31:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Avoheja
Originally by: joshmorris

But if we come together we can fight !!!! Ya ? i mean if enough people say this needs to be changed because its just a stupid I WIN buttton of "game mechanics" then CCP might actually change it.




Eh... I consider logging off to avoid a fight at all definitely not winning. It's not an IWIN button, but an Everybody Loses button imo.



Well its a I win button for him, until everybody uses it and hes the 1 making a thread about how he cant kill a freighter logging in and out.

Avoheja
Caldari
The Venture Co.
Posted - 2008.05.17 17:35:00 - [14]
 

Not dying isn't the same as winning. Reevaluate your terms of victory.

If I jump into Rancer in a Drake and get attacked, and if I manage to make it back to the gate and jump out in structure, that doesn't mean I 'won'.

joshmorris
Posted - 2008.05.17 17:43:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: joshmorris on 17/05/2008 17:44:31
Originally by: Avoheja
Not dying isn't the same as winning. Reevaluate your terms of victory.

If I jump into Rancer in a Drake and get attacked, and if I manage to make it back to the gate and jump out in structure, that doesn't mean I 'won'.



Right ok going off topic.

But the problem is you could do that in a freighter and just log before you uncloak ... and wont be killed. At least you going back to the gate people have a "chance" to kill you.

The fact that if you cant loose then the only thing left is winning.

Stakhanov
Metafarmers
MeatSausage EXPRESS
Posted - 2008.05.17 17:50:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Necronomicon
Yup, he can do it all day if he wants. Best thing to do is equip cloaker with a smartbomb, uncloak, activate, BANG 15 min timer ;)


Smartbombs are affected by the uncloaking delay just like weapons that need a lock.
If someone logs every time someone shows on the overview , there is no way to catch him.

Havohej
Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics
Posted - 2008.05.17 17:51:00 - [17]
 

There's nothing off-topic about it. Whether my Drake gets back to the gate, or whether I see the camp and log off before coming out of gate cloak, I don't die, but that in no way means I 'won' anything, either. Whether it's a drake, a frigate, a freighter or a dreadnought, not dying != winning.

You're insisting the contrary, saying repeatedly that you feel like you lost because you can't kill a logged-off dreadnought. And I'm explaining to you that this isn't the case. You didn't lose, you just didn't win. But guess what? You didn't lose a ship either, so neither did he!

Again, he's an idiot who cynos to planets instead of cyno'ing in to a safe spot by a station where he can immediately dock - you'll catch him eventually, stupidity tends to assure that type of thing.

Chin up.

joshmorris
Posted - 2008.05.17 17:52:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Stakhanov
Originally by: Necronomicon
Yup, he can do it all day if he wants. Best thing to do is equip cloaker with a smartbomb, uncloak, activate, BANG 15 min timer ;)


Smartbombs are affected by the uncloaking delay just like weapons that need a lock.
If someone logs every time someone shows on the overview , there is no way to catch him.


Bah .. could try a stealthbomber with a smartbomb .. maybe i might.

joshmorris
Posted - 2008.05.17 17:55:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: joshmorris on 17/05/2008 17:56:09
Originally by: Havohej
There's nothing off-topic about it. Whether my Drake gets back to the gate, or whether I see the camp and log off before coming out of gate cloak, I don't die, but that in no way means I 'won' anything, either. Whether it's a drake, a frigate, a freighter or a dreadnought, not dying != winning.

You're insisting the contrary, saying repeatedly that you feel like you lost because you can't kill a logged-off dreadnought. And I'm explaining to you that this isn't the case. You didn't lose, you just didn't win. But guess what? You didn't lose a ship either, so neither did he!

Again, he's an idiot who cynos to planets instead of cyno'ing in to a safe spot by a station where he can immediately dock - you'll catch him eventually, stupidity tends to assure that type of thing.

Chin up.



There isnt even a station in this system.

But regardless who wins and who losses dont you think it sucks and a core game mechanic is broken because people like this guy exploit it to gain an advantage that the fact that his capital ship cannot be killed in the 30 second window.

Its just wrong ... and imo unless nobody complains about it then it will never get fixed.

Talthoras IX
Earth Alliance Organization
Posted - 2008.05.17 18:00:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: joshmorris
...

The fact that if you cant loose then the only thing left is winning.


So, by your logic, the fact that I didn't lose the Boston Marathon, Indy 500, Monaco GP and Scrabble last night, means I won?

Hot dayum, I'm more uber than I thought.

joshmorris
Posted - 2008.05.17 18:03:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Talthoras IX
Originally by: joshmorris
...

The fact that if you cant loose then the only thing left is winning.


So, by your logic, the fact that I didn't lose the Boston Marathon, Indy 500, Monaco GP and Scrabble last night, means I won?

Hot dayum, I'm more uber than I thought.



... Everybody's a winner as long as you had fun ?

Does nobody thinks a way of totally avoiding consequence is against the morals of eve ?

Havohej
Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics
Posted - 2008.05.17 18:15:00 - [22]
 

If there's no stations in a lowsec system, then he should be using a POS or he should change that link of his cyno chain imo.

People have complained about the Logoffski forever. IIRC the change that was made was that it is how it is now: 30 seconds if you log off before you're actually in combat, 15 minutes if you log off after combat is initiated. Imagine if it didn't matter when he logged off... picture how you'd feel if you and your mates got his dreadnought to 25% structure and he just *poof* vanished. I think I remember reading old, old posts that referred to just that sort of thing happening.

joshmorris
Posted - 2008.05.17 18:18:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Havohej
If there's no stations in a lowsec system, then he should be using a POS or he should change that link of his cyno chain imo.

People have complained about the Logoffski forever. IIRC the change that was made was that it is how it is now: 30 seconds if you log off before you're actually in combat, 15 minutes if you log off after combat is initiated. Imagine if it didn't matter when he logged off... picture how you'd feel if you and your mates got his dreadnought to 25% structure and he just *poof* vanished. I think I remember reading old, old posts that referred to just that sort of thing happening.


bah true,

Still thinks it needs changing again =)

joshmorris
Posted - 2008.05.17 18:35:00 - [24]
 

Heh to top it all off ... he logged on again and i dc'd as he did .. by the time i got back in game he cyno'd out ...

Cpt 0bvious
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2008.05.17 18:39:00 - [25]
 

Maybe the 15min timer could be set if aggressed during the 10sec logoff time. Would quite fix the problem, and i cant find a situation where it could be a 'bad' thing.

Liara Dex
Minmatar
Finis Lumen
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2008.05.17 19:15:00 - [26]
 

OP, the solution to your problem is to put a heavy dictor at his log in spot with the bubble up at all times. The second he logs in he will be aggressed even if he is not on grid. Combat one bunk mechanic with another.

Hopefully that solves your problem :)

-Dex

Rach NiKunni
Royal Enterprise
Dead Terrorists
Posted - 2008.05.17 19:27:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: joshmorris
Edited by: joshmorris on 17/05/2008 16:27:24
Edited by: joshmorris on 17/05/2008 16:25:21
So atm we are waiting on a dread pilot to log in (again)




So (a) Logoffski is not an exploit and (b) you missed getting a good killmail.

anything else? I don't think there is a pilot in EVE that doesn't have a one-that-got-away story....

.... btw if logoffski isn't an exploit then I would suggest learning from your opponent instead of moaning about it. and never forget... it's a game. In the big picture, an internet spaceship, no matter how big it looks on the screen, doesn't warrant you getting your **** tied in a knot....

R..

Death4free
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.05.17 19:47:00 - [28]
 

didnt read most of this but

basically op ur saying that if you were in a ship that you spent months ratting for and someone tries to attack your knowing that if they succed in getting a point on you ur alrdy dead (read 50 man bs gang jumping on u) you wouldnt do everything in ur power to prevent that happening

how about you just go pick a fight with someone who wnats 2 fight if u wana pvp

or just camp a gate

joshmorris
Posted - 2008.05.17 21:03:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Liara Dex
OP, the solution to your problem is to put a heavy dictor at his log in spot with the bubble up at all times. The second he logs in he will be aggressed even if he is not on grid. Combat one bunk mechanic with another.

Hopefully that solves your problem :)

-Dex


Nah low sec :(


And rach , ok i will "learn from my opponent", every time i see a hostile when i don't wanna fight ill just logg before he locks me therefore i can avoid consequence totally. And yes its a game ? your point.

Death - Dreadnought in low sec, was gate camping, saw cyno pointed dread , dread goes poof .. done this twice, and i just thought ide ask the ops of people out there instead i get random flames like yours.


Fox Ogmo
Net 7
The Last Brigade
Posted - 2008.05.17 22:22:00 - [30]
 

Gosh, poor dread pilot.... sounds like he needs a better internet connection, hey?


 

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