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steejans nix
Amarr
Black Core Federation
Posted - 2008.05.16 07:40:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: steejans nix on 16/05/2008 07:43:39
Edited by: steejans nix on 16/05/2008 07:42:28
While we are heading towards the inevitable factional wars,( which if done right could be great, if not......) had a thought on what roles the Npc corps whould play which also would tie in with the situation with players sitting in the corps for years and would also help the isk farmer problem a litle bit.


Idea is this:

Once wars start conscription would start on players over say 2 mths old, maybe a few more but should be less than 6 in my view these players have had plenty of time to find corps even if just one man corps of there own.

These player's would be moved into a sister npc corp which would form part of the defense structure for the faction and then be flagged as war targets to similar corps on the other side, pilots leaving player corps would be placed in the miltary corp and be at war straight away stopping jumping from corp to corp just to avoid war.

This would be a realistic way to fight factional warfare as would happen in the real world with young men and women being called up to fight.

Perhaps individual's or player corps could pin their colours to the npc flag as it were and be involved that way without leaving their current corp, corps who want a break from the war could leave the "alliance" giving several days notice before they do and perhaps a list be made so that all can see who's been loyal and fought for their faction.

My opinion is that we hear Eve is a sandbox etc etc. But then players can sit in safety in npc corp's and play solo flying in the face of the sandbox aspect keeping player's safe and sound including the isk farmers in a little bubble, get these players into corps, either player corps ( plenty of ones out there who never been at war ) or Npc corp who at war already and get these people playing.

Course won't stop the 100's who sit in jita docked up samming local but can't fix everything.

So any views ?

EDIT* Oops just seen another post on factional warfare here, should of posted there, sorry Embarassed

Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
Posted - 2008.05.16 08:11:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Ankhesentapemkah on 16/05/2008 08:14:58
Edited by: Ankhesentapemkah on 16/05/2008 08:13:55
Not everyone in an NPC corp is a goldfarmer or scammer you know.

I love Aliastra and so do many others in the corp. The corp channel is almost like a player corp, we know eachother and help eachother. We want to be free and independant and not tied to some player corp with some strict hierarchy and obligations. And if we were to go to player corps we'd sure lose a lot of our friends who would be going elsewhere.

Players sitting in NPC corps for years is NOT a problem.

And according to CCP Greyscale compulsory PVP is not in the spirit of Eve, so you can forget your draft idea. (faction warfare live dev blog 11:10)

steejans nix
Amarr
Black Core Federation
Posted - 2008.05.16 08:40:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Edited by: Ankhesentapemkah on 16/05/2008 08:14:58
Edited by: Ankhesentapemkah on 16/05/2008 08:13:55
Not everyone in an NPC corp is a goldfarmer or scammer you know.


I know, not say they were or it was even a big part of this idea.

Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
I love Aliastra and so do many others in the corp. The corp channel is almost like a player corp, we know eachother and help eachother. We want to be free and independant and not tied to some player corp with some strict hierarchy and obligations. And if we were to go to player corps we'd sure lose a lot of our friends who would be going elsewhere.


Love it that much you not willing to fight for it or you're friends ?

There are public chat channels so this point in a mute one as you can stay in touch.

And you really never been in a corp have you Rolling Eyes there are not that many who have got "strict hierarchy and obligations"





Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
And according to CCP Greyscale compulsory PVP is not in the spirit of Eve, so you can forget your draft idea. (faction warfare live dev blog 11:10)



Wouldn't be compulsory, find a corp of you're own or start one.

And as for " my daft idea " that it maybe but that has yet to be decided and perhaps as someone who will most likely be representing me and my co-players you shouldn't be so quick to dissmiss something just cause you not like it or think it will affect you !



Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
Posted - 2008.05.16 09:40:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: steejans nix
Love it that much you not willing to fight for it or you're friends ?

I'm not willing to fight at all, for anything. Period. I'm a pacifist in Eve and proud of the fact that I've never shot at another player.

Originally by: steejans nix
There are public chat channels so this point in a mute one as you can stay in touch.

That's not what the Aliastra channel is about at all. But of course you would never understand how it works if you've never been a part of it. The people come and go, which is not the case of a public channel where you have to invite players yourself instead of having people autojoin it as they become part of the corp without any player action required.

Originally by: steejans nix
And you really never been in a corp have you Rolling Eyes there are not that many who have got "strict hierarchy and obligations"

I have and it does not fit my playstyle. Similar with many other people I know in NPC corps. They do not want any authority over them, they want to be completely free and independant and come and go as they please.

Originally by: steejans nix
Wouldn't be compulsory, find a corp of you're own or start one.

That's compulsory, pal.

Originally by: steejans nix
And as for " my daft idea " that it maybe but that has yet to be decided and perhaps as someone who will most likely be representing me and my co-players you shouldn't be so quick to dissmiss something just cause you not like it or think it will affect you !

And what exactly is there to gain from this system? Nothing. You did not consider the aspect of Eve you would be destroying with these ideas. There are no positives but only a load of negatives. Which is why it is a bad idea.

This is yet another "boohoo someone plays Eve in a different way than me, they must be forced to play it my way!".

I'm not forcing my playstyle on anyone, and I'm at least considering all other parties involved when I come up with an idea. Which you did not seem to do.

Darius JOHNSON
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.05.16 14:54:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Edited by: Ankhesentapemkah on 16/05/2008 08:14:58
Edited by: Ankhesentapemkah on 16/05/2008 08:13:55
Not everyone in an NPC corp is a goldfarmer or scammer you know.

I love Aliastra and so do many others in the corp. The corp channel is almost like a player corp, we know eachother and help eachother. We want to be free and independant and not tied to some player corp with some strict hierarchy and obligations. And if we were to go to player corps we'd sure lose a lot of our friends who would be going elsewhere.

Players sitting in NPC corps for years is NOT a problem.

And according to CCP Greyscale compulsory PVP is not in the spirit of Eve, so you can forget your draft idea. (faction warfare live dev blog 11:10)


I don't necessarily have a problem with you not being willing to leave your newbie corp... that's certainly your prerogative though I will state openly that you're missing out on probably the deepest portions of the game.

As far as losing friends... um... what's stopping you all from creating a corp? That's a pretty rock solid foundation. I'm not sure I'd feel right about changing them per se, but I really feel that people who don't leave the NPC corps are missing out.

As far as this CCP Greyscale quote... I'm sorry but I find it to be patently false. You cannot avoid pvp forever, nor should you be able to. That is PART of the spirit of the game. Therefore compulsory pvp IS in the spirit of Eve and I have no idea what Greyscale was smoking when he said that. Perhaps because it's not required every time you log in, you can just not undock and sit in the station chatting about 1.0 missions with your Aliastra friends if you so choose. The second you undock however pvp becomes a possibility. Greyscale's dev blog doesn't change that fact.


Inanna Zuni
Minmatar
The Causality
Electus Matari
Posted - 2008.05.16 22:05:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: steejans nix
Once wars start conscription would start on players over say 2 mths old, maybe a few more but should be less than 6 in my view these players have had plenty of time to find corps even if just one man corps of there own.


In the RP sense I can clearly see that there is likely to be conscription as forces get committed to different fronts; each race and faction holds a spread of systems and it is possible, likely even, that enough suitably trained pilots might not come forward.

*However* these are civilians we are talking about and, whilst I am sure that many will rightfully feel that they must do their tour of duty on the lines for the survival of their race, there will always be those who do not care about what happens to their heimat, their ancestral lands, their planet. And they will ignore the plight of their fellow planetside dwellers and just watch while they die. Sadly, they might even assist the enemy ...

IZ

Lucy'Lastic
Posted - 2008.05.16 22:25:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Lucy''Lastic on 16/05/2008 22:25:12
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah

And according to CCP Greyscale compulsory PVP is not in the spirit of Eve, so you can forget your draft idea. (faction warfare live dev blog 11:10)


Ofc it's not compulsary. That's why you have NPC corps and the option to leave a player corp if someone declares war on you.

I think you've misunderstood what he said.

OPs idea is silly though.

ShardowRhino
Caldari
Torque Theory
Posted - 2008.05.17 01:03:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah

I'm not willing to fight at all, for anything. Period. I'm a pacifist in Eve and proud of the fact that I've never shot at another player.



That makes me want to shoot you......a lot. That makes me want to beat on your ship like a ghanidi pinata. Twisted Evil

Leandro Salazar
Quam Singulari
Posted - 2008.05.17 08:22:00 - [9]
 

If you remove n00bcorps as safe haven, PvP WILL end up as being more or less compulsory. I believe the only thing stopping ganktards from wardeccing everyone left and right is exactly that they KNOW their targets can (and more often than not will) go back to a n00bcorp when wardecced. So they don't even bother unless they are REALLY bored or have a good reason for a wardec.
Take that away, and I bet you will see wardecs on almost every active corp operating in highsec. And while some people might see that as a good thing, I do not, and it is kinda reassuring that even CCP realizes that compulsory PvP is not in the best interest of EVE.

Lucy'Lastic
Posted - 2008.05.17 10:02:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Leandro Salazar
opinions


You and Ank are the John and Yoko of Eve.Laughing

Tinian Singh
Posted - 2008.05.17 10:52:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Lucy'Lastic
Originally by: Leandro Salazar
opinions


You and Ank are the John and Yoko of Eve.Laughing


Hey I DO shoot other players. But I restrict it to the areas where it is supposed to happen frequently, not where it is supposed to be the exception. Just because I accept pacifism as a viable playstyle doesn't mean I am a pacifist Razz

Leandro Salazar
Quam Singulari
Posted - 2008.05.17 10:58:00 - [12]
 

And don't you just hate alts that screw up your forum routine...
The wench above is obviously me.

steejans nix
Amarr
Black Core Federation
Posted - 2008.05.17 11:50:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: steejans nix on 17/05/2008 12:34:03
Originally by: Leandro Salazar
And don't you just hate alts that screw up your forum routine...
The wench above is obviously me.


But hey she a good looking girl and deserves an outing every now and then !!Laughing

Originally by: Leandro Salazar
Opinions


That view not cross my mind tbh, was just focusing on the factional warfare and making it meaningful to individuals and corps alike, but you certainly got a good point.

I'm a card carrying carebear myself and i do the same stuff as the vast majority of players in there so it's not a case of me wanting everyone to play my way.

To me faction warfare could if done right could be something that would interest me to dip my toe into the water as such, but i feel that for me to do this it would almost have to be aimed at the newer players or the npc corps which sounds as i'm having a go at npc players etc but if it faction wars were aimed at the frigate and cruiser skirmishes this could be attractive to all.

Even us carebears may grab a frig and join in the fun.

Rooker
Lysian Enterprises
Posted - 2008.05.17 17:55:00 - [14]
 

People in these NPCs corps become friends, just as they do in player corps and in alliances. A lot of them also like helping the newbies and they don't even have to recruit them, they just show up one day asking for help. Nearly two years later, I still have friends that I met in my first newb corp and a couple of them are still there.

Leave the starter corp people alone. They have as much right to play the game their way as you do your's.


 

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