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School of Applied Knowledge
Posted - 2008.05.14 14:10:00 - [1]

Ever run into a customer in lowsec that is just too stupid to let live? I know it's not good to dishonor a ransom, but this guy really had it coming. Posted here for the entertainment of all. As a side note, this particular customer's mouth cost him a T2 fitted mission raven.

Me > Greetings. 40 million isk to save your ship.
Me > You have 30 seconds.
Customer > why can't you asswipes just go to 0.0
Customer > I'm so sick of you ****sucking pussies ruining my game.
Me > 15 seconds...
Customer > I play to relax, not get harrassed by a bunch of prepubescent little ****s.
Me > 5 seconds...
Customer > there's your ****ing isk, now go **** yourself
Me > Pleasure doing business with you.
Customer > Yeah, it'll be a pleasure when I have you bent over a table and extract my isk from you with a broomhandle.

At this point I decided that, rather than let him go, he needed to learn a lesson. So I popped his raven and sent him home on the pod express.

Customer > wtf did you do that for
Customer > i paid you
Me > I'm sorry. I decided that you were too dumb to live.
Me > In the future, keep your mouth shut, pay up, and leave. Your ship will thank you.
Customer > You didnt' have to pod me too. I had implants you stupid ****!
Customer > you ****ing pirates are all the same. no honor I'm just going to have to pay MC to hunt you and your corp down until you quit eve
Customer > you're going to be sorry *******, you better just stay docked up forever cuz your a dead man
Me > Let me know how that works out for you.

At this point I put him on ignore and continued my activities for the day. I've never been threatened by having someone hire a dead alliance before. My corpies and I got a good chuckle out of it.

Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.05.14 14:17:00 - [2]

ah should track him and do it again

Posted - 2008.05.14 14:17:00 - [3]

Did you return his money?

Pothouse Cartel
Posted - 2008.05.14 14:18:00 - [4]

i would have sent him back his ransom isky first but thats just me.

its actually knobs like him that ruin the game for everyone else not us pirates YARRRR!!

Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.05.14 14:19:00 - [5]

well obviously its al in the eye of the beholder. But yeah sounds like he deserved it

Grarr Dexx
The G0dfathers
Posted - 2008.05.14 14:33:00 - [6]

If that's the full story, definitely deserved. Congratulations on your 40 million ISK and dropped modules YARRRR!!

Dariah Stardweller
NO U111 Enterprises
Posted - 2008.05.14 14:47:00 - [7]

You still are the bigger arse here though TS. Not honoring a ransom is low, and it's bad for your business.

the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2008.05.14 14:48:00 - [8]

I agree with you, pretty much. I'm not sure if I would have kept the money or not. On one hand, I don't need his pathetic 40 mil. On the other hand, he did subject you to his ****ing bull**** so a small fee is not unwarranted. I probably would've sent the ISK back just to avoid being the center of a C&P whine post by him, since you posted it yourself I guess you don't have to worry.

Posted - 2008.05.14 15:05:00 - [9]

I wonder how many posters like this would consider it if the situation was reversed?

Was there a fight invlolved before you ransomed him? I myself would have a few choice words for someone who made my playing experience more costly. Maybe not in the vulgar manner that your victim did but it really would not cost you anything now would it?

So I put to you sir why dont you take your advice and keep your mouth shut, take your money and leave since the only one who lost was your victim. It's just words of frustration after all. Rolling Eyes

Phant Zon
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.05.14 15:07:00 - [10]

Originally by: KapnKaboom

Customer > you ****ing pirates are all the same. no honor I'm just going to have to pay MC to hunt you and your corp down until you quit eve

Damn man, why are you laughing about this? That dude is totally goona hire MC and they are goona pwn you AND your whole corp into tomorrow. Thats no laughing matter mate.Very Happy

Salva Veritate
Posted - 2008.05.14 15:12:00 - [11]

You were polite, professional, and offered him a very reasonable ransom. This guy's going to have a very tough time surviving in Eve with that attitude.

I could only wish all my encounters with pirates were like yours Embarassed.

Alekseyev Karrde
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2008.05.14 15:20:00 - [12]

I'd get thicker skin my pirate friend.

Lucille Austero
Posted - 2008.05.14 15:25:00 - [13]

no doubt he deserved to be podded as all asshats do. but perhaps you could have returned his isk, then said, on second thought i'll do this one for free.

The Affront
Posted - 2008.05.14 15:30:00 - [14]

Me > Let me know how that works out for you.


Yeah, methinks best form might have been to refund the ransom, if only to make him see what his smack really cost him and how cheaply he could have gotten off for being dumb, rather than just thinking that pies are dishonorable, but excusable I guess under the circumstances.

As far as the victim's smack being legitimate stress release, I think not. OP said lowsec - 'nuff said, I think. The Raven pilot thought he had imaginary rights to "relax" in lowsec, 40 mil would have been a cheap education on that matter. Hopefully he's learned that lesson and can go on to learning the benefits of being civil to one's teachers - some of my best friends in game are those people who taught me costly lessons like this Very Happy amazing what a bit of, "lol good fight dammit," can do.

Jack Brazen
Universal Securities
Posted - 2008.05.14 15:32:00 - [15]

Edited by: Jack Brazen on 14/05/2008 15:37:21
Originally by: Alekseyev Karrde
I'd get thicker skin my pirate friend.

Don't really care about the ransom thing, because I never ransom people, but its not about having a thick skin... Its about the victim reacting in a way that clearly shows he hasn't accepted a golden rule of EvE: Never undock if you aren't prepared to loose your ship.

The OP clearly demonstrated this fascinating aspect of the game for the man, and helped him on his path to greater enjoyment. And if we then look at only the ransom part, would you give back 40 million to someone acting like that? I wouldn't, no matter how they ended up with me.

Edit: What PXR 5 says is also true. The absolute best fight I've had was when I was a few months old (not that I'm much older now), in a Thorax flipping cans, and a 1 year old in a Vexor attacked me. I won with worryingly little structure left (thank god for Light Neutron IIs and a web!) and the adrenaline pumping like its only done in RL fights before. Afterwards, both of us still shaking, we had a really nice chat about it and the game. Never spoke to him since, but the fact that we had a nice talk afterwards made it all the better.

Cpt Constantinus
Corp 54
Posted - 2008.05.14 15:34:00 - [16]

The Raven pilot got what he deserved imo.
40 millions for a t2 fitted pve battleship is
very reasonable and from what i can read the op didnt smack his victim.

Ki An
The Really Awesome Players
Posted - 2008.05.14 15:35:00 - [17]

Edited by: Ki An on 14/05/2008 15:36:21
Definatly deserved to lose his isk as well as his ship. You shouldn't feel bad at all for not honoring that ransom. Griefing people like that is a civic duty for Eve players.

Edit: Name and shame tbh.

Blood Daemon
Republic Military School
Posted - 2008.05.14 15:45:00 - [18]

Edited by: Blood Daemon on 14/05/2008 15:46:39
Originally by: Dariah Stardweller
You still are the bigger arse here though TS. Not honoring a ransom is low, and it's bad for your business.

Not Honoring a ransom is low, but not honoring a ransom because the guy gives you **** isn't low, they need to be tought that this is a game and piracy is apart of the game. They need to know that you can be blown up at any second during your time "out" of the station.

I'm going to refer to "real" pirates, do you actually think that once they grapple onto another ship an board it to ransom, that once the victims ship gives over the gold/supplies/clothes/food to free his ship, that the captain is going to let the victim off lightly if he is giving him a ton of abuse?

Simple answer is NO.. they will exit the ship and proceed to blown it to davey jones locker.. Or simple just massacre the rest of the crew an take everything they find on the ship.

And now to defend myself to the babies who cry that you shouldn't put EVE to RL stories.. Well **** you, because although EVE is a game.. You call PvP'ers who PvP to earn isk


And a pirate is a RL term..

A sea-robber, or an armed ship that roams the seas without any legal commission, and seizes or plunders any vessel she meets indiscriminately, whether friend or foe.

So before anybody decides to say stop using RL terms, how about people stop using the term pirates for people who PvP for isk in EVE??

To the OP.. I totally agree and accept what you did to that guy, he deserved EVERY bit that came to him. Maybe now he will learn from what he did Cool

/me puts on flame suite, but takes it off due to his 99% thermal resistance (I don't usually reply to flamesLaughing

Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2008.05.14 16:01:00 - [19]

I'd have done the same, and I always honour ransoms. Now name and shame please.

Posted - 2008.05.14 16:05:00 - [20]

You could have spice up things even more.
not only keep the money and pod him, but also report him Twisted EvilCool

Dr Slice
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.05.14 16:06:00 - [21]

Originally by: Kehmor
I'd have done the same, and I always honour ransoms. Now name and shame please.

Stop talking like you still pirate, its quite pathetic.

Posted - 2008.05.14 17:04:00 - [22]

What gets me is that some of the posters replying to this post believe that doing something this low as not honoring a ransom has to be done to "teach" something. What a crock!

Now while I do not approve of your victims behavior I still have to say that two wrongs don't make a right. And that goes both ways. I don't believe that ransoming ruins the game for everyone but not honoring your word certainly makes for alot of doubt on whether the ransomer will honor the deal.

What would have gone a long way is if you would have warned him about what his abusive language will cost him. Maybe start upping the ransom price and such. As it is in your dialogue you gave no such warning. This makes it hard for ransoming as a business.

Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2008.05.14 17:17:00 - [23]

Its a matter of pride, its what anyone would do.

Pain Elemental
Posted - 2008.05.14 17:24:00 - [24]

Hard to decide what to do in such a situation ... I'd probably fulfill my side of the deal and let him go, and I'd hate myself for it Evil or Very Mad but that's part of the job YARRRR!!

What you could do though to collect the ransom AND be true to your word AND save your ego by blowing the smacktard out of the sky is this:

you> "Greetings. To save your ship, be a nice guy and give me 40 million isk."
customer> "You *****! F**** *****! ******! Okay here's your 40 million, you ***** ********!!"


customer> "WTF?!?!?! YOU ******* I PAID WHY DO U ***** BLOW UP MY ******* SHIP?????"
you> "I'm Sorry, but which part of 'be a nice guy' did you not understand? Thanks for the donation, and have a nice day!"

Orar Ironfist
Veto Corp
Posted - 2008.05.14 19:04:00 - [25]

I wonder if the guy knows MC disbanded? Unless he has some sort of time-traveling-device that can teleport him back to a few months ago.

Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2008.05.14 19:08:00 - [26]

Originally by: Dr Slice
Originally by: Kehmor
I'd have done the same, and I always honour ransoms. Now name and shame please.

Stop talking like you still pirate, its quite pathetic.

We're PAK, we do what we want.™

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2008.05.14 19:55:00 - [27]

I would've done the same thing, therefore what you did was right Very Happy

Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2008.05.14 20:04:00 - [28]

Always be polite when the other guy has a gun to your nuts. How hard is this simple principle to understand?

Ragnar Danneskjuld
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2008.05.14 20:10:00 - [29]

Originally by: Orrelious
Its a matter of pride, its what anyone would do.

Whilst I agree with your poast I do believe that this would go both ways. The "customer" in this could claim the same thing... a matter of pride. I know many pilots who refuse to pay a ransom due to their pride.


I do however feel that doing this to "teach a lesson" to someone is arrogant and immature at the very least. Do you really think that a person who is gonna flip out like that guy did is going to be receptive to a lesson taught the way it was?

Didn't think so.

Blackwater USA Inc.
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2008.05.14 20:14:00 - [30]

same damn thing over and over again. "Im gonna have MC hunt you guys down!" LOL Laughing

Glad you popped that idiot for his mouth. I would have done the same thing.

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