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North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.05.13 08:34:00 - [1]

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The Above thread is a joke thread that i made with a serious underlying tone.

The reason i asked a question like that was i wanted to see where most candidates stood on equal rights. I believe CCP say that they want the game to be fair because everyone should have equal chance and only way to get one over on another pilot is to be able to have a better ship, better fit and better knowledge of the game. So thats why no Third party mods were allowed for the game.

So this brings me to my point, BACON, as much as people have moaned about it nothing has been done to even resurrect the problem. Bacon has made a huge influence in the game, you now get local dropping by 10 instantly as they now have a legal way to do it without a macro. Also as well as this there can be a system with 80 in it and they cant see you in local or you would expect that they couldnt see you and theyd be insta warped to pos because of the live feed from the logs.

The way i see it CCP was agaisnt macros because it was a automated way of getting people higher up in the game giving that person x amount of isk above someone else who doesn't use a macro because he sticks to the rules. We all remember the days of setting up a ity 5 finding a big juicy roid in 0.9 or above and letting it mine that over night while you were sleeping to bring in that extra 1-2mil in your wallet. Macros bought a unfair advantage in a number of ways and ccp dis allowed it.

This brings me back to bacon, Bacon is a unfair utility made for eve which runs off a live feed of information which the user is meant to process not some automated program which tells you when something is wrong or bad and do X to notify you or even if you modified it a little it would just CNTRL + Q for you.

Obviously with this sort of program it will be alot harder for ccp to monitor, but never the less, it needs to be looked at and resolved. Even a delay of 2 mins in log server would make a huge difference because any decent pvp pilot can find a pilot in under 30 seconds in a system. But this automated program needs to be stooped as its just taking the risk out of 0.0 npc'ing.

So if you read my thread about Homosexual Equal rights within a mmo .. Don't you believe its anyone Else's right to either have this program inbuilt to the game if ccp intend for this program to be used or should something be done about it, so users get kick banned

So What do you think CSM candidates.. Don't know if any of you are playing this all ready as i haven't read much up on csm yet.

LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
Posted - 2008.05.13 08:38:00 - [2]

As previously stated, I see BACON being gone by 21th of June, when CSM arrives to Iceland. At least I hope whoever the CSM candidates turns out to be, will push for that.

North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.05.13 08:46:00 - [3]

So how would you go around pushing this then vista ... How would you player hate so hard on ccp that they cave in and sort there mistake out.

Tusko Hopkins
HUN Corp.
HUN Reloaded
Posted - 2008.05.13 08:46:00 - [4]


there has already been a CSM thread about the BACON topic. Most of us are against it. Read it here.

Most of the CSM candidates have expressed their opinion about it on as well, do not forget to check it out.

North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.05.13 08:53:00 - [5]

cheers tusko ,

Ill Re-phrase my question then.

Its all good saying " i will make ccp cave to my awesome csm power" but in reality CSM is just a publicity stunt.
So for anything to be made of it you guys need to have a very strong and objective view to give ccp the answers to the questions which they wont answer.

What i would like to know is how would you deliver and explain to ccp what is bad, Simply saying its bad wont cut it.
Like any meeting you go in to you need a game plan aswell as a list of objectives you need to hit in order for that meeting to be sucesful otherwise its just a waste of time.

So i ask again - How will you CSM candidates Rock the Vote home on Bacon and kick it into ccp

LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
Posted - 2008.05.13 09:30:00 - [6]

Edited by: LaVista Vista on 13/05/2008 09:42:43
You answer your question yourself, Joe.

CSM is a PR stunt. If the CSM isn't happy about the reaction CCP gives them, when they bring up the issue, CCP will get bad publicity, which is the opposite of what they want.

That is how CSM should play their cards. I'm not afraid of saying what I think about the way CCP is going to handle CSM.

We just need to make sure CSM isn't a bunch of yay-sayers.

EDIT: I personally would like to ask CCP why they didn't change the logserver before BACON was released. It has been public knowledge for a long time, that these kinds of programs actually existed. Yet CCP ignored it, while knowing it was a problem. It wasn't till **** hit the fans on the forum, they reacted. And I'm majorly ****ed about this.

Also, CCP isn't an unreasonable bunch. They are very aware of the issue now(At least they CARE about fixing it now), and they are working on making the logserver exports unusable for data gathering. So I'm perfectly comfortable in CCP sorting it out inside the nearest future and their willingness to talk about it, with CSM(Under NDA I assume)

Tusko Hopkins
HUN Corp.
HUN Reloaded
Posted - 2008.05.13 11:17:00 - [7]

I think that there were quite a few topics mentioned here on the forums where the waste majority of the candidates agreed. BACON, for example, was one like it.
The CSM members will have the opportunity to discuss such problems amongst each other so in straightforward cases like BACON I think it will be no problem to show a solid facade to CCP. The CSM will, of course, decide over some strategy to follow when bringing them up in front of CCP, because it would be a huge waste of opportunity if council members were fighting each other on TV instead of arguing with CCP about the decisions they are going / not going to make.
Cooperation of the council members with each other is a key factor in this whole event.

Ben Derindar
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Posted - 2008.05.14 08:36:00 - [8]

Originally by: joefishy
How will you CSM candidates Rock the Vote home on Bacon and kick it into ccp

Well, CCP say they're are already working on this issue, so the way in which I would specifically construct my argument against BACON and other such tools will, I guess, depend on how effective the results of CCP's current efforts are.


Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2008.05.14 09:56:00 - [9]

The Chaplain smiles.

"I have just answered that question in my own thread so I can quote myself for once."

Originally by: b0ksah

The Chaplain frowns and gets an itch. He takes a hand to his bale head and scratches the new itch. Then he clears his throat.

“Bacon… is something that tastes good with eggs and it should have stayed that way.”

The Chaplain stops a moment to think things over. Did he forget something? No!

“That’s what I have to say about bacon.”


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