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Hedian
Posted - 2008.05.10 02:58:00 - [1]
 

Simple question how obligated are the elected candidates to their main issues? Is it like in modern day democrasies where you can get elected and pretty much **** on the things you said in the campaign, and then perhaps suffer not to get reelected. Or are you obligiated to follow the views that you brought forth in the campaign?

Goumindong
SniggWaffe
Posted - 2008.05.10 03:13:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Goumindong on 10/05/2008 03:13:43
Originally by: Hedian
Simple question how obligated are the elected candidates to their main issues? Is it like in modern day democrasies where you can get elected and pretty much **** on the things you said in the campaign, and then perhaps suffer not to get reelected. Or are you obligiated to follow the views that you brought forth in the campaign?


As with anything we are not obligated at all. Though there is the chance of re-election, so it seems that people not doing what they were elected for would not make it in the second time around.

ed: There is a new dev blog which lays out exactly the duties and responsibilities of the CSMs as well as the eligibility, it should answer your questions

Letouk Mernel
Caldari
Posted - 2008.05.10 03:45:00 - [3]
 

They're not obligated at all. You can force an issue through if you get 10,000 signatures, and otherwise they'll just push whatever issues THEY want. Vote for whoever's issues match your issues, and then wait and see what they do. You know their in-game characters, pew pew them if they stray.

Arithron
Gallente
Gallente Trade Alliance
Posted - 2008.05.10 07:46:00 - [4]
 

Some of us will actually push through issues that YOU want (the voters). Good topics that receive player support (but not the 10k required) that would be of benefit to the majority of players will be supported by candidates such as myself.

As previously stated, I WILL NOT BE posting any topics on the CSM boards, as I do not believe this is what I am being elected to do. I'll carefully consider your ideas and the arguments for and against topics. If I support the idea, then it will be on itsí MERITS.

Many Candidates are treating this as a way to get their own ideas (sometimes ill-thought through) presented to CCP, or discussed at a CSM meeting. They forget that they still need to convince the majority of council members of the VALIDITY and BENEFITS of their ideas, or the need for these ideas to be presented to CCP. All such ideas that will be presented for discussion MUST be posted on the CSM forum for discussion for at least 7 days beforehand.

You can fully expect me to ask probing questions via such topic threads when CSM members post topics which they think are important for the game. Many of these ideas will affect a minority of players, and hence the benefits to EVE, and the majority of players, will have to be clearly demonstrated to get my vote in the affirmative. If there is a groundswell of players that are clearly against a topic on the CSM forums, but X candidate still tries to push it through a CSM meeting, Iíll be voting in the negative.

You have the power to stop the CSM council becoming a soapbox foundation for a few vocal and opinionated players- Vote!

Take care,
Bruce Hansen (Arithron)

Ben Derindar
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Posted - 2008.05.10 08:18:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Hedian
Simple question how obligated are the elected candidates to their main issues?

To their own, not at all.

To those of the players at large, fully.

/Ben

Tusko Hopkins
HUN Corp.
HUN Reloaded
Posted - 2008.05.10 08:55:00 - [6]
 

You must realize, that it will be not within our power to "force" decisions upon CCP, so while we all have our own set of isses we find important, the CSM as a whole is nothing more than a platform for players to bring THEIR issues to CCP. In that aspect a CSM member is just like any other player. We can throw an issue onto the table, but it is not our word that will be final about it. It will need the consensus of the CSM first and then the approval of CCP.

Personally i hope, that the CSM members will NOT be too fierce about their "own" issues as it could easily reduce the effeciency of the CSM as a whole.

We will have to be open for compromises as i'm sure there will be lot more issues than we will have the time for and unless you can prioritize, there is no way to get the job done.

zoolkhan
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2008.05.10 09:27:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Hedian
Simple question how obligated are the elected candidates to their main issues? Is it like in modern day democrasies where you can get elected and pretty much s1it on the things you said in the campaign, and then perhaps suffer not to get reelected. Or are you obligiated to follow the views that you brought forth in the campaign?


of course the ladder - but

opinions base on a mix of experience and knowlegde.

new things learned bear the potential of opionions been altered.

you would not want it the other way, trust me.

the real question must be: "will you stand behind what you said before the election, and will you justify why you altered your opionion/focus"

and the answer should be: "hell yeah!"

Unlike politicians, none of us ever was in the position to make promsises.

We had our opinions, and we share the common obligation to remain YOUR RELAY
in terms of player worries.

We cannot break not given promises, and we cannot do wrong by relaying the player bases
voices. Does that make sense?

Some people campaigned and admitted theyre biased, now if that guy would not meet the expectations he created with me i would rather be happy Smile

Realize this, we are no politicians. We are players and idealists because we apply for a job that gains us no single credit. (if it does, i would shout corruption)




Grey Shadow
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
Posted - 2008.05.10 11:30:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Hedian
Simple question how obligated are the elected candidates to their main issues? Is it like in modern day democrasies where you can get elected and pretty much **** on the things you said in the campaign, and then perhaps suffer not to get reelected. Or are you obligiated to follow the views that you brought forth in the campaign?


My understanding is that the CSM members are there to raise the issues brought forward by the wider Eve community, not stand on issues that they have campaigned on.

The thoughts and desires of the CSM candidates will perhaps help you identify a candidate that you can relate to, and who will hopefully better be able to express your position within the CSM.

But I believe that no candidate should be looking to shackle themselves to issues raised here and now. Once the CSM is up and running, they need the freedom to be able to take on the issues that are affecting the player base as a whole at that point in time.

There should be no personal agenda's, and frankly, a CSM member not representing the Eve community regardless of therir personal feelings, but rather concentrating their own issues, should not be representing the player base at all.


Andy

Ma Zhiqiang
Minmatar
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2008.05.10 11:41:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Ma Zhiqiang on 10/05/2008 11:42:32
I will do my best in scanning forums and talk to people what they think about different issues. Priority is to get the current bugs away, fix the game to run smoother then push for new features. I rather see players being happy with less bugs, than getting T2 capitals or 20 other new ship types for the christmas patch/expansion.

Then I have my views of other improvements I tend to spend a lot of thought about, such as ambulation, factional warfare and how to balance areas/ships. When the CSM will run, I bet most of the ones being elected, will get a lot of new perspectives. Hopefully, in the better interest of the player community.

Peri Stark
Gallente
Blood Covenant
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.05.12 07:45:00 - [10]
 

The votes for the topics will be in the forums. The minutes from the meetings will be made public. The decisions made by CCP and thier reasons will be published.

I don't see much room in there for a personal aggenda. Sure we will fight more for the points we believe in but that is as it should be. The ideas presented will still be the players, not just our own.


 

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