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Ghaelsto Kakram
Minmatar
Mindgamers
Posted - 2008.05.10 21:06:00 - [541]
 

Originally by: Moonlight Express
So let's say Titans get removed. What will happened to the blob warfare? Will there be a counter to 2K in system in shuttles?


Do conga lines in Jita count?

Apolluon
Gallente
No Limit Productions
Looney Toons.
Posted - 2008.05.11 00:21:00 - [542]
 

Originally by: wamingo
Your words have truely added something valuable to this discussion, Apolluon. May your divine wisdom grace the world like it has me.


Furthermore,


JonVe
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.05.11 01:00:00 - [543]
 

**** I can imagine the massive cluster**** that would result for BoB if Titans were just removed completely one day without notice. It makes my eyes tear.

Deki
Minmatar
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2008.05.11 02:19:00 - [544]
 

Originally by: JonVe
**** I can imagine the massive cluster**** that would result for BoB if Titans were just removed completely one day without notice. It makes my eyes tear.


I would be sad panda aswell

mamolian
Gallente
Cruoris Seraphim
Exalted.
Posted - 2008.05.11 03:36:00 - [545]
 

Just delete the entire ship class Razz

Alex Salas
Caldari
Echelon Syndicate
Posted - 2008.05.11 03:39:00 - [546]
 

Edited by: Alex Salas on 11/05/2008 03:43:36
Edited for added content.

I am working off a mixture of ideas presented earlier.

Perhaps DD weapons needs special fuel (not stront or racial isotopes) that can only be acquired through moon mining. These rare moons can only be found in 0.0.

Pluses include: may be the carrot the carebears need to start their own space grab,
heightens the prudence on the titan pilot, knowing it may take months or billions of isk to get the fuel to fire another DD,
ISK sink for huge 0.0 powerhouse alliances.

The execution would happen by informing the community of seeded new moons one patch before the actual fuel driven DD takes place. This allows enough lead time for moons to be scanned and mined so titans are not totally gimped when the patch arrives.

xHomicide
Caldari
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2008.05.11 14:14:00 - [547]
 

Edited by: xHomicide on 11/05/2008 14:15:48
Change the DD to a weapon that instantly disables the warp drives of all ships on grid for 10 minutes. The resulting battles would be ****ing epic instead of ****ing lame.

posteroid
Minmatar
im right your wrong
Posted - 2008.05.11 14:39:00 - [548]
 

Ive looked at the other thread about this and tbh removing totally the damage from a ddd would be a big mistake. If it becomes just a large ewar ship or loses its dmg DDD its been pointed out that BS would be a expensive waste of money for 0.0 wars when you can buy 40 or more cruisers for the same price as a t2 sniper and just zerg systems.

Although i agree with the idea of reducing the range to 100-150km and perhaps limiting how many can be fired on grid per hour or so are good ideas as it would still be a good anti-cruiser/frig spam ship but also be vulnerable to snipers and would need to be used more tacticaly.

Chee
Minmatar
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2008.05.11 15:18:00 - [549]
 

Originally by: Alex Salas
Edited by: Alex Salas on 11/05/2008 03:43:36
Perhaps DD weapons needs special fuel (not stront or racial isotopes) that can only be acquired through moon mining. These rare moons can only be found in 0.0.



I think eve has enough fueds over rare moons already :)

Brigitte
Amarr
S.A.S
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.05.11 17:32:00 - [550]
 

Originally by: xHomicide
Edited by: xHomicide on 11/05/2008 14:15:48
Change the DD to a weapon that instantly disables the warp drives of all ships on grid for 10 minutes. The resulting battles would be ****ing epic instead of ****ing lame.

well yea good idea or even webb / scramble all on field so the nano ***ets dont run off and hide

Alex Salas
Caldari
Echelon Syndicate
Posted - 2008.05.11 19:01:00 - [551]
 

Originally by: Chee
I think eve has enough fueds over rare moons already :)[/quote



The aim is something that can't easily being macro'ed.

War Bear
Minmatar
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.05.11 21:28:00 - [552]
 

I wouldn't mind seeing a Titan nerf as long as they're given some way of defending themselves. Batteries of flak for small ships\drones\fighters perhaps, long range weapons to counter snipers maybe. I'd love to see a Titan be able to make something that looks like this. :D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v56/UnknownTarget/screen0115.jpg

Junkie Beverage
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.05.11 23:27:00 - [553]
 

is that the bsg freespace 2 mod

Apolluon
Gallente
No Limit Productions
Looney Toons.
Posted - 2008.05.11 23:27:00 - [554]
 

Originally by: xHomicide
Edited by: xHomicide on 11/05/2008 14:15:48
Change the DD to a weapon that instantly disables the warp drives of all ships on grid for 10 minutes. The resulting battles would be ****ing epic instead of ****ing lame.


Yeah, so instead of having a Titan with a DD that it can use in self defense to blow up tacklers...

It can tackle itself.

Another great idea from the think tank. No wonder you guys lost your Titan.

Apolluon

xHomicide
Caldari
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2008.05.12 05:46:00 - [555]
 

Edited by: xHomicide on 12/05/2008 05:47:33
Originally by: Apolluon
Originally by: xHomicide
Edited by: xHomicide on 11/05/2008 14:15:48
Change the DD to a weapon that instantly disables the warp drives of all ships on grid for 10 minutes. The resulting battles would be ****ing epic instead of ****ing lame.


Yeah, so instead of having a Titan with a DD that it can use in self defense to blow up tacklers...

It can tackle itself.

Another great idea from the think tank. No wonder you guys lost your Titan.

Apolluon


Because when a titan fires its doomsday, it hits itself, right? One would assume such an implementation wouldn't affect any super capitals anyways.

DigitalCommunist
Gallente
November Corporation
Posted - 2008.05.12 07:42:00 - [556]
 

Why is this ship balance thread on CAOD? And more importantly, why have I ignored it for so long? Oh yeah! For a brief moment there I forgot every two-bit peon, his alt, his mom, his mom's alt and their entire alty lineage has a piece to say about Titans, in a nauseatingly repetitive manner that puts most sitcom writers to shame and by shame I mean awed admiration. Despite never flying, owning, touching lovingly, wooing with chocolatey delights or nervously stalking with a 5mp camera in the aftermath of anything remotely resembling an intimate Titan encounter, we have a fleet of experts who can, at best, discern the ship from their shroom shaped schlong which ***by the way*** is a supremely incredible non-event given that one could only confuse the two if placed side by side, with the 40km ship attached to the loins a disturbingly obese version of Galacticus standing about 50 light years in the background squeezing out some gjallargunk to Emma Watson upskirts. Despite the obvious innuendo that most Marvel villains are wannabe pedos who will superimpose inappropriate levels of raunch atop socially acceptable, and completely legal brb sleep

Spyra Gryra
Amarr
Cruoris Seraphim
Exalted.
Posted - 2008.05.12 08:19:00 - [557]
 

Originally by: DigitalCommunist
Why is this ship balance thread on CAOD? And more importantly, why have I ignored it for so long? Oh yeah! For a brief moment there I forgot every two-bit peon, his alt, his mom, his mom's alt and their entire alty lineage has a piece to say about Titans, in a nauseatingly repetitive manner that puts most sitcom writers to shame and by shame I mean awed admiration. Despite never flying, owning, touching lovingly, wooing with chocolatey delights or nervously stalking with a 5mp camera in the aftermath of anything remotely resembling an intimate Titan encounter, we have a fleet of experts who can, at best, discern the ship from their shroom shaped schlong which ***by the way*** is a supremely incredible non-event given that one could only confuse the two if placed side by side, with the 40km ship attached to the loins a disturbingly obese version of Galacticus standing about 50 light years in the background squeezing out some gjallargunk to Emma Watson upskirts. Despite the obvious innuendo that most Marvel villains are wannabe pedos who will superimpose inappropriate levels of raunch atop socially acceptable, and completely legal brb sleep


Wut?

Kyrie Elaison
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.05.12 08:43:00 - [558]
 

Wow, what a terrible thread. I have an idea to make all future threads like this one much better. Simply make it so that every bob post says "OMNIPOTENCE ITSELF NUBS" in order to tl;dr the matter and streamline the forums. While this would hurt the exceptionally rare bob poster who can make a valid point, it would save the rest of us from the other 2 or 3000 morons in bob who type like 12 year old girls on aol in the 90s.

Viral Shadow
Amarr
Explora Empire
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
Posted - 2008.05.12 10:41:00 - [559]
 

just wanted to pop in and say i agree with the fact titans need to be changed but its pretty difficult to come to a decent solution.

Liam Fremen
Gallente
Insurgent New Eden Tribe
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2008.05.12 11:10:00 - [560]
 

Edited by: Liam Fremen on 12/05/2008 11:19:14
1) Cyno jammer become "anchored" when a DDD is fired inside a system, whoever made it (focused ddd of the point 2 is not counted) after firing the "normal" ddd, should be applied some way of beign "stuck" there, so if you have a big carrier fleet of support that warp in ddd position with you, they remote rep you and after the 2 minute or so timer pass you can get out, but doing it alone could result in beign tackled and killed.

2) Script for Doomsday device, -> focused damage, the DPS of this gun over 1 target and so the ROF and damage must be based on logical "counts" like for exemple 2x a dread in siege dps applied over this module and it fire ****ing big ray of death to a single target and maybe dmg based on sig radius and speed like if it was a MISSILE without fly time, sort of shooting 6x citadels with 0 fly time but maybe a bit more able to hit "moving" targets.

In this way you lose some "i win" capabilities but you earn the chance of using your titan on more "normal" activities, like shooting pos or supporting your fleet with your big bad-ass gun togheter with your capitals that support you.

PS: using the focused script, reset the 1 hour timer for normal doomsday, so you can't focus shoot, shoot shoot, and then DDD, from last "focused" shoot you must wait 1 hour for the ddd, and AFTER you make DDD you must wait 1 hour for using the focused mode.

Doing the "actual" ddd should be something like "overloading" the device resulting in a crazy big explosion.

PS2: DDD should not be possible to activate inside POS shields... so even the steal password -> delete enemies is removed.

Elles D
Caldari
Clan Shadow Wolf
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2008.05.12 11:29:00 - [561]
 

I don't know about you guys, but i for one am quite interested to see what happens when bob achieve the titan count for insta-popping capital fleets; nerf em after, but lets just see it happen first Smile

SilentHunter13
Gallente
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
Posted - 2008.05.12 12:06:00 - [562]
 

Er, I don't know about you guys but more than 3 titans doing a doomsday, infact just more than 3 titans in one system at a time can lag the whole area up. So, all this complaining that there is this eventual 10 titans deployed on a map is well....stupid, if they are being deployed to blow up a mass of ships well...then you got 10 titans against like 200 battleships maybe, if you know of a better way to lag a node out then please let me know...

My view is this, we are all complaining about the lack of solo fighting in eve any more, its blob or be blobbed. In my opinion the development of lots of titans is the best way to stop blob warfare in 0.0...nothing destroys a fleet faster than a titan.

Another thing, titans are coming faster and faster, but nothing should be done about them. They are relatively pointless and should not be used for offensives, they should be used as mobile stations for support and nothing else. You could argue that a anti titan ship should be made, but also there is now the heavy interdictor which as we all know can tank a HUGE amount of dps.

Oh and less we forget....a titan can ONLY DD in 0.0 (that I remember) and if put in low sec is just one freaking huge "shoot me" sign. The idea of 0.0 is that its the toughest of the tough, the hard place AND the rock aswell as everything imbetween.

If you want to argue that titans should be nerfed then you would get a large amount of people saying yes, and again a large amount saying no. As with all things when it comes to nerfs.

A few people have given me their solutions to this:
- Stop titans being able to be produced, we all know this game is growing in size and that making a titan isn't as hard as it once was, infact its relatively easy now. With the amount we have you could remove titan blueprints or make them impossibly hard to get and no one would really notice. (oh noes, bob doesn't get another few titans)
- Cooldown period for DD. If most of this is groaning about the doomsday, then why not make it have a excessively large cooldown period, where the titan cannot cyno or cloak or if you really want to mess around.....can't even warp....
- Increase mineral and part amount and cost aswell as time for existing blueprints, make it harder to even build a titan, include parts that are just as rare as finding a titan bpc on a belt or rarer.
- Create a anti titan ship of some variant. Yes a dread can melt a titan, several of them can melt a titan but they can be easily destroyed by the support fleet. (I said easily, its still not a cake walk, but you get me)
- Give it more skills. With the introduction of learning skills and kick ass implant sets, its quite easy to skill for a titan. Why not include more skills which would make pilots going for a titan learn for LONGER thus, people might not bother even learning for a titan when in the time they could have got into a dread and mothership...

Or all of the above, the titan is a big "I win" ship...and the DD is just a "WIN" button really...

OOOOOH introduce tackling dreads!!!!!!!!

-
Silent

Sykosys
Minmatar
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2008.05.12 12:43:00 - [563]
 

I think titans are fine. Ive even been killed by a friendly DD. It was awesome.

What needs to be changed is the cyno jammer jump bridge imbalance.

Oh and this indeed belongs in ships and mods as well its about ships and mods Wink

Ummmmmm hows this. Give me a titan and I garuentee I will lose it in a week Cool

CCP Navigator


Minmatar
C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2008.05.13 09:21:00 - [564]
 

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