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Segge Bolled
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2008.05.13 00:42:00 - [91]
 

Originally by: Mips Nig
Edited by: Mips Nig on 12/05/2008 23:32:21
Originally by: Shar Tegral
So the question, of this thread, is not how you would invest in a Goonswarm connected IPO but why would you do so. Or are you saying that the reason you invested in FRPB is the same reason you would in Goonswarm?


The only reason I would invest isk into a goonswarm IPO is to make isk. It's the only reason I invest in Eve. I don't invest so I can post here and feel all warm and fuzzy for it. Isk. I Don't care who runs it as long as Isk flows into my wallet. oh**** YARRRR!!


And how completely irrelevant this sort of commentary is, coming from a Goonswarm member when this thread was supposed to query interest and potential for investment from outside of Goonswarm. Neutral

Rawne Karrde
Bre-X Interstellar Shipyards
Ejectile Dysfunction
Posted - 2008.05.13 04:06:00 - [92]
 

Think this shows exactly why I wouldn't invest in any IPO or business with a known member of goonswarm at the helm.

Stellar Example of what Goons are about.

Shar Tegral
Posted - 2008.05.13 04:30:00 - [93]
 

Originally by: Mips Nig
The only reason I would invest isk into a goonswarm IPO is to make isk. It's the only reason I invest in Eve. I don't invest so I can post here and feel all warm and fuzzy for it. Isk. I Don't care who runs it as long as Isk flows into my wallet. oh**** YARRRR!!

Okay, I'll be more clear:

Gee, every moron and their mother invests to make more money. Guess that makes you equal to every moron or some moron's mother. Of course that desire is, as I previously said, what "you expect to get" from investing. The question isn't what do you expect from investing in a GS IPO, the question is "why would you" invest in a GS IPO.

Around here we don't just talk about gaining isk, every wannabe have-not does that, we talk about how we gained it be it luck or logic. IMHO the only thing fuzzy around here is your sense of reality as you seem to think you are hard and we are weak. And I take it the warm comes from your bottom where your mommy spanked last week for ****ing off in the loo.

Truth be told, talk is cheap and so are you. Why don't you go take your hard tough talk to the C&P forum where the other Eve softies appreciate it. Obviously you are not properly equipped, with logic/luck/or balls, to be here so... C&P Forum is that way ---->

PS: Wheee... CCP put the pirate emote in the game so some loser can diddle himself happy. YARRRR!!YARRRR!!YARRRR!!

Adi LeFevre
Posted - 2008.05.13 07:17:00 - [94]
 

I would love to invest 2 billion isk in a Goonswarm business. However, I need to redeem 500K zydrine impounded in a corp hangar. If you wish to help me pay the recovery bills (200M isk), I'd be more than happy to lend a hand to your business.

Segge Bolled
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2008.05.13 08:14:00 - [95]
 

Originally by: Adi LeFevre
I would love to invest 2 billion isk in a Goonswarm business. However, I need to redeem 500K zydrine impounded in a corp hangar. If you wish to help me pay the recovery bills (200M isk), I'd be more than happy to lend a hand to your business.


Don't you have some sort of connection to royalty, too? Very Happy

YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
Posted - 2008.05.13 09:38:00 - [96]
 

Edited by: YouGotRipped on 13/05/2008 09:39:26

You Goonswarm members (and alts) got some nerve coming here and attempting to sway the general opinion in the same manner as placing a carrot in front of a donkey then leading the poor animal off a cliff.

Hersheff
NTeK Industries
Posted - 2008.05.13 10:32:00 - [97]
 

This topic has lost his sense due to the fact that goons disband.

So the OP has to review his business plans, and i am amazed that the op did not
take in account the instability in his own alliance.

Ortos
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Posted - 2008.05.13 11:15:00 - [98]
 

Originally by: mynnna
Originally by: Ortos
I'm not really much of an investor, but if I were to invest. Im sorry, it would not be in anything affiliated with the word goon or swarm. Especially not a combination of the two.

It cant be that hard to find money within goonswarm can it?


Not everyone gets into investing in general, why would it be any different within the alliance? ;)


I'm slow at responding here, but it's the simple reputation Goonswarm has worked so hard to create.

Goonswarm includes scamming recipees in their ABC's of EVE. It's not exactly inspiering trust. Heck, you even scam people interested in joining.

And from what i can recall on an instant, Goonswarm has repetedly scammed their own members. Again, not really inspiering trust.

But in the end, it comes down to one very simple thing: There are better options, if I was to invest i'd rather invest in low risk then high risk.

Power Sauce
Kenzzoku
Posted - 2008.05.13 11:53:00 - [99]
 

I only way that I see public IPOs working for GoonSwarm members is for small scale IPOs to establish who are trustworthy and those that are not.

There are a lot of small investors that read but don't post in MD.

The critical issue for large scale IPOs through GoonSwarm is that a small number certain personalities have very large investment porfolios, and a number of them may be unwilling to invest for various reasons.

Probably a good idea not to give your isk away to random goons though.

YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
Posted - 2008.05.13 14:35:00 - [100]
 

Edited by: YouGotRipped on 13/05/2008 14:37:12
Originally by: Power Sauce
I only way that I see public IPOs working for GoonSwarm members is for small scale IPOs to establish who are trustworthy and those that are not.

There are a lot of small investors that read but don't post in MD.

The critical issue for large scale IPOs through GoonSwarm is that a small number certain personalities have very large investment porfolios, and a number of them may be unwilling to invest for various reasons.

Probably a good idea not to give your isk away to random goons though.


Cut the manipulation crap pls.

DeathGrip
Amarr
Evolution
IT Alliance
Posted - 2008.05.13 17:20:00 - [101]
 

This is Proton's Alt for those that do not know, but please keep Proton Power's Name or PCT out of this thread, I do not endorse, nor will I ever recomend to invest in any Goon IPO.

I actually had some good friends in one of the Goon Corps and still would not recommend any of them.

----------------------------------------------

Goons are so large, why not just open an IPO to goons only, their is enough isk in that one alliance to supply any IPO you could dream of? Or does your own alliance not trust you?

Haakkon
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.05.13 17:46:00 - [102]
 

Originally by: YouGotRipped
Edited by: YouGotRipped on 13/05/2008 09:39:26

You Goonswarm members (and alts) got some nerve coming here and attempting to sway the general opinion in the same manner as placing a carrot in front of a donkey then leading the poor animal off a cliff.


MD is intelligent enough that any sort of misleading or disingenuous discourse will be called out and not followed.

Originally by: Hersheff
This topic has lost his sense due to the fact that goons disband.

So the OP has to review his business plans, and i am amazed that the op did not
take in account the instability in his own alliance.

Goons disband? Goonswarm has been around for years and will be around for years more. What are you talking about?

Originally by: Ortos

And from what i can recall on an instant, Goonswarm has repetedly scammed their own members. Again, not really inspiering trust.


This is bannable.

Originally by: Ortos

But in the end, it comes down to one very simple thing: There are better options, if I was to invest i'd rather invest in low risk then high risk.

If you can find better options that are more aligned with what you want to see your money doing, then by all means, please invest in those. I'm just wondering what sort of return is necessary to generate non-goon interest and so on.



All that said, I'm surprised this thread is still getting so many replies. I realize there's a lot of anti-goon hatred, but who knows, perhaps one day you'll realize not every goon is a complete jerkoff?

Shar Tegral
Posted - 2008.05.13 18:02:00 - [103]
 

Originally by: Haakkon
All that said, I'm surprised this thread is still getting so many replies. I realize there's a lot of anti-goon hatred, but who knows, perhaps one day you'll realize not every goon is a complete jerkoff?
^^^^ This is why I'm responding. (More correctly I don't see GS as being all jerks.)

However, to be fair, you have to admit that you have a lot of guilt by association to deal with. You can not state, to many satisfaction, how involved in past GS "adventures" you have been in or if you are going to be one of those highly rumoured non-jerks you talk about as well.

That is the burden you have in front of you and the reason many keep adding to this thread. Of course if you had presented an actual business plan or were going for an IPO you might get different, more insightful instead of incite-ful, replies.

Haakkon
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.05.13 18:13:00 - [104]
 

Originally by: Shar Tegral
^^^^ This is why I'm responding. (More correctly I don't see GS as being all jerks.)

However, to be fair, you have to admit that you have a lot of guilt by association to deal with. You can not state, to many satisfaction, how involved in past GS "adventures" you have been in or if you are going to be one of those highly rumoured non-jerks you talk about as well.

That is the burden you have in front of you and the reason many keep adding to this thread. Of course if you had presented an actual business plan or were going for an IPO you might get different, more insightful instead of incite-ful, replies.


Yes. Due to the nature of eve characters, I can't really come out and say that "Yes I have done X in the past" or "No, I have never done X" with any ounce of credibility (and this goes for anyone in Eve, not just goons).

It's also true I'm not presenting a business plan or asking for money right now. I believe that asking for money or launching a non-goon venture without being fully aware of my operating environment (namely how hostile MD is towards goons) would be irresponsible to my shareholders and silly for me to spend so much effort for nothing.

Right now this is just a discussion and goon-bashing session. Any sort of investment opportunities will be, I'm sure, in a different thread.

Ricdic's Hoe
Posted - 2008.05.13 18:14:00 - [105]
 

Interesting thread this one. I didn't have much to say so didn't bother previously posting. Every IPO or bond has it's pro's and con's. Those running the operations obviously have a questionable reputation behind them but having said that I know a couple of goons that I do trust a decent amount. I am sure there are plenty of others who are trustworthy within the goons as well.

To the OP who seems to be handling things quite well, if you have an operation planned get it started. Keep everything clear and offer what is needed to alleviate people's fears. Generally people will invest in operations that follow these guidelines :

1) Not alts or characters under 6 months old
2) Not related to YouGotRipped or LRN
3) Have a good business plan and foundation behind them

If you choose to open up a public corporation you will basically be starting at a rather large handicap (due to the goon rep). Keep your atitude civil and non-hostile (as you have done here), and make sure when you bring your business plan to the table that it is rock solid. Don't figure things out as you go, or make up things to cover your ass. If you need too, organise securities, collateral options, guarantors and the likes. Offer something the public wants. You will need decent returns, proof or documentation (if possible) of previous financial periods etc.

It would be an awfully hard road but I definetly wouldn't discount my investing if you manage to pull it off.

Posting with my hoe so people don't think it's EBANK endorsed.

YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
Posted - 2008.05.13 19:01:00 - [106]
 

Edited by: YouGotRipped on 13/05/2008 19:05:10


Originally by: Ricdic's Hoe

[...]
To the OP who seems to be handling things quite well, if you have an operation planned get it started. Keep everything clear and offer what is needed to alleviate people's fears. Generally people will invest in operations that follow these guidelines :

1) Not alts or characters under 6 months old
2) Not related to YouGotRipped or LRN
[...]




LOL
Your ass still hurts, ha?




Ortos
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Posted - 2008.05.13 19:55:00 - [107]
 

Edited by: Ortos on 13/05/2008 19:58:18
Originally by: Haakkon

All that said, I'm surprised this thread is still getting so many replies. I realize there's a lot of anti-goon hatred, but who knows, perhaps one day you'll realize not every goon is a complete jerkoff?


If a goon reads the goon introduction guide he'll be a scammer by the end of his first day. =) Now dont flame on people for pointing out such a simple fact.

And what is beeing expressed within this thread is not goon hatred. It's a protection of peoples money.

Say you started offering 20% per month on your next IPO. That would be
A: A scam
B: You ripping yourself off in order to gain trust.
C: You beeing a complete idiot, beeing far better off raising your own funds and beeing able to finance your projects yourself.
D: A too good to be true offer, and you know what they say about those?

As an example:

You: I need to raise 4 billions for my next IPO. 20% per month.

Now, you'd might still be making money off this. But just using two weeks of intense ratting \ missioning to get the funds yourself would put you in a soooo much better situation. You'd be making allmost 800m more on your IPO per month at that.

If you said 4b @ 10% interest, where you'd be making good money yourself. People would pass, and rather look for someone a bit more trustworthy giving 7-8%.

Now, if you said "I need 20 billions for my next IPO". You wouldnt get it, people wouldnt trust any goon with such an amount.

Now, since goons disbanded. Lets think about that.

A previous goonswarm member having been 3 months in his current corp. I might concider to invest in that. As long as that corp ofcource is not affiliated with the new goonguilds.

And as a last point: You putting up the recuired security for a project like this would again mean your probably better off selling the assets and having money to invest in most cases.

Adding:
If the new Goon guilds stop allowing scamming. This could potencially help your situation. (Though this new trust wouldnt happen overnight)

YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
Posted - 2008.05.13 20:04:00 - [108]
 

Edited by: YouGotRipped on 13/05/2008 20:04:45


Best, goons IPOs are kept for goons and that solves it.
Now let's just leave this thread in the dustbin of history where it belongs.

Ortos
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Posted - 2008.05.13 20:15:00 - [109]
 

No more space there, were still working on where to store this.

Frigging idiot YouGotRipped and LRN's projects taking up all the space.

*pun intended*

Professor Leech
Transmetropolitan
Posted - 2008.05.13 21:43:00 - [110]
 

Originally by: YouGotRipped
Edited by: YouGotRipped on 13/05/2008 14:37:12
Originally by: Power Sauce
I only way that I see public IPOs working for GoonSwarm members is for small scale IPOs to establish who are trustworthy and those that are not.

There are a lot of small investors that read but don't post in MD.

The critical issue for large scale IPOs through GoonSwarm is that a small number certain personalities have very large investment porfolios, and a number of them may be unwilling to invest for various reasons.

Probably a good idea not to give your isk away to random goons though.


Cut the manipulation crap pls.

My alts non-manipulative post seems to have greatly upset you. How unfortunate.

YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
Posted - 2008.05.13 21:56:00 - [111]
 

Edited by: YouGotRipped on 14/05/2008 10:59:53

Originally by: Professor Leech
Originally by: YouGotRipped
Edited by: YouGotRipped on 13/05/2008 14:37:12
Originally by: Power Sauce
I only way that I see public IPOs working for GoonSwarm members is for small scale IPOs to establish who are trustworthy and those that are not.

There are a lot of small investors that read but don't post in MD.

The critical issue for large scale IPOs through GoonSwarm is that a small number certain personalities have very large investment porfolios, and a number of them may be unwilling to invest for various reasons.

Probably a good idea not to give your isk away to random goons though.


Cut the manipulation crap pls.

My alts non-manipulative post seems to have greatly upset you. How unfortunate.


There were only 2 possibilities: manipulation or flawed reasonning.
Would you like me to detail the last one or should I leave it to Ricdic?

Professor Leech
Transmetropolitan
Posted - 2008.05.13 21:58:00 - [112]
 

Originally by: YouGotRipped
Edited by: YouGotRipped on 13/05/2008 21:57:34
Originally by: Professor Leech
Originally by: YouGotRipped
Edited by: YouGotRipped on 13/05/2008 14:37:12
Originally by: Power Sauce
I only way that I see public IPOs working for GoonSwarm members is for small scale IPOs to establish who are trustworthy and those that are not.

There are a lot of small investors that read but don't post in MD.

The critical issue for large scale IPOs through GoonSwarm is that a small number certain personalities have very large investment porfolios, and a number of them may be unwilling to invest for various reasons.

Probably a good idea not to give your isk away to random goons though.


Cut the manipulation crap pls.

My alts non-manipulative post seems to have greatly upset you. How unfortunate.


There were only 2 possibilities: manipulation or stupidity.
Would you like me to detail the last one?

Do go on derailing the thread.

Ortos
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Posted - 2008.05.14 02:16:00 - [113]
 

Pfft, he's just ****ed the goon buisness is getting more positive responces then his own threads. =)

I wonder who would win if someone made a poll named "If you had to invest your money in either a YouGotRipped\LRN or Haakkon project, which would you prefer?"

A

Professor Leech
Transmetropolitan
Posted - 2008.05.14 03:17:00 - [114]
 

Originally by: Ortos
Pfft, he's just ****ed the goon buisness is getting more positive responces then his own threads. =)

I wonder who would win if someone made a poll named "If you had to invest your money in either a YouGotRipped\LRN or Haakkon project, which would you prefer?"

A

Don't get me wrong I'd consider investing in one of YouGotRipped's scams if everything he touched didn't end up looking like a bicycle handgrip.

Ortos
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Posted - 2008.05.14 03:23:00 - [115]
 

Edited by: Ortos on 14/05/2008 03:22:50
Risk of scam or investment in space bicycle handgrips.. tough call.

Kazzac Elentria
Posted - 2008.05.14 04:05:00 - [116]
 

Originally by: Ortos
Edited by: Ortos on 14/05/2008 03:22:50
Risk of scam or investment in space bicycle handgrips.. tough call.


At this point I'd sooner give my isk to a goon

EBANK Ricdic
Eve-Tech Savings n Loans
Posted - 2008.05.14 05:34:00 - [117]
 

Originally by: YouGotRipped
There were only 2 possibilities: manipulation or stupidity. Would you like me to detail the last one or should I leave it to Ricdic?


It's so cute watching you still try to fit in with this community and digging your grave deeper every time you try.

I would invest in this goons ipo unsecured over any 120% secured business option you brought out. Sadly (for you) I believe a lot of other people would do the same.

YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
Posted - 2008.05.14 10:07:00 - [118]
 

Edited by: YouGotRipped on 14/05/2008 13:21:37

Originally by: EBANK Ricdic
Originally by: YouGotRipped
There were only 2 possibilities: manipulation or flawed reasoning. Would you like me to detail the last one or should I leave it to Ricdic?


I would invest in this goons ipo unsecured over any 120% secured business option you brought out. Sadly (for you) I believe a lot of other people would do the same.


What Ricdic is trying to say is that his gut is never wrong. The same sound reasoning allowed him, when I launched a small IPO, to state that (maybe not then but) in the end I will scam everyone.
In one year time since I've started playing, I've never scammed anyone (nor would I lower myself to such a course of action), there were even two bonds and one IPO (Yarden Tajj, Kazuo Ishiguro, Tarash Awin) that I've undertaken for a limited amount of time before returning the money to the investors. And I had good reasons for doing so - RL schedule was becoming an issue, or I had health issues that threatened my life and needed surgery, or simply profitability was shooting through the roof so there was no reason to keep the bond going.

At this point I no longer consider running IPOs or the such again, I have made enough money (10.2B isk) to invest myself (gathered in less than a month of active trading and manufacturing), this also being the reason for voicing my concerns regarding potential investment opportunities the community is presented with, because I've certainly lost my interest to deal with those such as "Ricdic".

So by all means, if in your eyes a goons IPO is a a more valid option than 120% secured bond offerings then go ahead and invest, no one will hold you back.

P.S. I've adjusted one of my posts and replaced a certain word with a more appropriate one as to reflect transience and not an exhaustive appraisal of someone's cognitive abilities, I thank the community for pointing that out to me.

EBANK Ricdic
Eve-Tech Savings n Loans
Posted - 2008.05.14 11:17:00 - [119]
 

Nice one.

Just accept it, you lost. Game over ripper.

Or should I say, RIP

YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
Posted - 2008.05.14 11:22:00 - [120]
 

Edited by: YouGotRipped on 14/05/2008 11:23:38

Originally by: EBANK Ricdic
Nice one.

Just accept it, you lost. Game over ripper.

Or should I say, RIP


I am still waiting for your apologies tbh. I am aware that it will take some time though. Other from what we have nothing to talk about.


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